Ruud Van Nistelrooy - Sacked - Official

[Finn Claw II]

The squad wasn’t good enough but he was worse than Cooper.  
 

He doesn’t really have much of a managerial record so it’s not clear to me that RVN gets a job offer from a top club.  He needs to drop down and actually spend a period building a team and learning how to manage.

 

 

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Just accept the fact the squad was not good enough and the manager was not very good either but got dealt a bad hand anyway

He didn’t really get dealt a bad hand though did he, He knew the history and knew how much had been spent prior to his arrival.

Do you think he was expecting another 100m in January.

lets be honest, it’s a dream scenario to suddenly think players were going to be purchased and make a difference under his management our track record is wank.
Prior to his arrival £70m was spent and none of it made any difference.

Bilal is an example of a good young player but didn’t really make any difference. 
Ipswich spent £25m on a keeper and Philogene

and got Julio Enciso. on loan from Brighton.

it didn’t help their cause.

 

[Legend_in_blue]

It's hardly reason to celebrate when the people above him are worse.

[Langston]

I don't dispute that our board and owner are unfit for purpose and there have doubtless been broken promises but all this "been dealt a bad hand" stuff.. he knew the squad was a bit shit before he took it on and conspired to make it worse than imaginable..

 

I really am struggling to have sympathy with someone who was record breakingly bad and week after week put out sides that made no logical sense.. he knew he was done..

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, HankMarvin said:

He didn’t really get dealt a bad hand though did he, He knew the history and knew how much had been spent prior to his arrival.

Do you think he was expecting another 100m in January.

lets be honest, it’s a dream scenario to suddenly think players were going to be purchased and make a difference under his management our track record is wank.
Prior to his arrival £70m was spent and none of it made any difference.

Bilal is an example of a good young player but didn’t really make any difference. 
Ipswich spent £25m on a keeper and Philogene

and got Julio Enciso. on loan from Brighton.

it didn’t help their cause.

 

Yup but the club employed him, so they are to blame imo.

 

Also Cooper brought in Skipp, Ayew, BDCR, Edouard ... none of which improved the team.

 

A team that was shipping chances and goals at will under Cooper which continued under RVN.

 

Yea he knew what he was coming into but hardly the reason to blame him for the mess the club has put us in over the last 4 years

[Vlad the Fox]

Obviously one of the office staff went round trying to get a collection going for his birthday this morning.

[HankMarvin]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

Yup but the club employed him, so they are to blame imo.

 

Also Cooper brought in Skipp, Ayew, BDCR, Edouard ... none of which improved the team.

 

A team that was shipping chances and goals at will under Cooper which continued under RVN.

 

Yea he knew what he was coming into but hardly the reason to blame him for the mess the club has put us in over the last 4 years

Who is blaming him for the last 4 years?

He didn’t have a gun to his head to take the job, given our precarious financial position I find it unlikely that he was promised significant funds. 
So basically even if it was £20 odd million, the chances are it would been comprised of lower tier Coulibaly type players that are probably worse that those in the starting 11 

[HankMarvin]

4 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

 

A team that was shipping chances and goals at will under Cooper which continued under RVN

Not necessarily, there are lots of examples of managers that come into clubs and make an impact without spending money. 
Although he did make an impact, we got progressively worse at attacking 

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, HankMarvin said:

Who is blaming him for the last 4 years?

He didn’t have a gun to his head to take the job, given our precarious financial position I find it unlikely that he was promised significant funds. 
So basically even if it was £20 odd million, the chances are it would been comprised of lower tier Coulibaly type players that are probably worse that those in the starting 11 

Well it's the boards fault for employing Cooper then sacking him after 6 months after he had spend north of 30m on players that did not improve us.

 

No manager would have kept us up last season

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, HankMarvin said:

Not necessarily, there are lots of examples of managers that come into clubs and make an impact without spending money. 
Although he did make an impact, we got progressively worse at attacking 

Yea he wasn't very good no one is saying that he was a good manager.

 

Again no manager keeps us up after last season after the appointment of Cooper.

 

Edited 27 June 2025 by whoareyaaa

[lfu]

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned much recently is the board's baffling and inexcusable lack of foresight when appointing RVN meant there was no exit clause included in his contract, to avoid having to pay him the full (or at least a less substantial portion) compensation.

They already knew we were in a dodgy position with PSR with a potential (at the time) PL charge looming. How on earth can a financial professional in this industry not have been able to anticipate the risk that needing to sack two managers in the same financial year would put us over the limit for this period as well? How did nobody run the numbers and speak up to say that not having an exit clause would be monumentally stupid in our position? How, then, could the signing of Woyo Coulibaly be justified knowing that not only would he be deemed to not be PL standard, but the transfer expenditure would mean we could no longer afford to sack a manager who had just lost 5 matches on the bounce?

[SafewayFox]

People on here have very short term memories.

 

When Ruud was “trying” to stop the rot of consecutive home defeats with no goals, he persisted with a front three of Vardy, Ayew and Reid when it was obvious that neither three could run anymore.

(Sorry JV for putting in you that list but it’s true).

 

He had an opportunity to build a siege mentality within the group when he exiled Jannik and Winks yet was more interested in cosying up to opposition players at the end of the game.

 

He was tactically inept and showed zero hunger or fight IMO.

 

[whoareyaaa]

7 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

People on here have very short term memories.

 

When Ruud was “trying” to stop the rot of consecutive home defeats with no goals, he persisted with a front three of Vardy, Ayew and Reid when it was obvious that neither three could run anymore.

(Sorry JV for putting in you that list but it’s true).

 

He had an opportunity to build a siege mentality within the group when he exiled Jannik and Winks yet was more interested in cosying up to opposition players at the end of the game.

 

He was tactically inept and showed zero hunger or fight IMO.

 

They was the only players available, who else was he going to play ?

 

Most posters have said Ayew done well, Vardy is Vardy and BDCR was used when Mcateer and Mav where not available.

 

Jannick was terrible all season and was exposed in a number of games, Winks was awful as well, When Pearson done that he was lauded and rightly so.

 

Yes he was not very good, but he hardly had the tools to play a team capable of competing in the Prem league, look at the amount of chances we conceded under Cooper and how little we created anything... it's not just these two managers the squad was not committed or good enough in the end esp after losing Fatawu to injury so early.

[em9999]

It wasn't just ruuds team selections I had a problem with it was his attitude 

 

Maybe in a few years he could be a good manager 

Edited 27 June 2025 by em9999

[Corky]

Awful reign summed by that home run. It genuinely was that bad and shameful. Team selections were odd and it never worked.

 

There is little joy or relief. He was a symptom of a significantly bigger problem. Oh for the days when just changing the manager solved everything.

[fox_favourite]

If they haven't looked at other options in the last few months.....at least then that is poor planning and management. 

 

If they have sacked him without a plan at all, the that's another sackable offence by the board. It's utterly shambolic if that is the case. 

 

 

[hackneyfox]

2 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

I still can't believe they didn't put a clause in his contract for relegation. If he wasn't going to accept having a clause then don't hire him. A manager who had managed 3 games in the Premier League managing to negotiate that kind of contract shows exactly where this club is at.

 

The worst thing is if they manage to get someone mildly competent again then we'll get again get out the mess for a bit, and you'll have the happy clappers waxing lyrical about Top again. 

We don’t know that they didn’t.

How many managers sign for clubs in the bottom 4 and agree to a relegation clause?

[MC Prussian]

All the best someplace else,, Ruud. I've got nothing against you personally. I just think you were the wrong manager at the wrong time.

More than anything, I blame our board and their management skills – or rather, their skill in picking a suitable first-team manager.

I just can't get my head around the fact they thought one of the best strikers in PL history would be able to fix our leaky defense or give us some sort of team cohesion. Utterly baffling.

 

And I do agree, it's a rather peculiar timing. Could've been done weeks ago. No need to couple it to the announcement of a successor.

Edited 27 June 2025 by MC Prussian

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Obviously one of the office staff went round trying to get a collection going for his birthday this morning.

@em9999? 

[cropstonfox]

25 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

If they haven't looked at other options in the last few months.....at least then that is poor planning and management. 

 

If they have sacked him without a plan at all, the that's another sackable offence by the board. It's utterly shambolic if that is the case. 

 

 

Yes the board are pretty shit.

But the announcement will be done and dusted by Monday if not sooner.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

The two main issues with Ruud for me where the inability to try something different when our bad run started and then a reluctance to pick a team once relegated using players we’ll need this coming season.

 

Neither are forgivable imo 

[Gamble92]

31 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

We don’t know that they didn’t.

How many managers sign for clubs in the bottom 4 and agree to a relegation clause?

We absolutely should have made him do that. It was giving him a huge opportunity. I don't give a **** how many people sign one. Don't appoint him then 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

look at the amount of chances we conceded under Cooper and how little we created anything.

14 matches from 15 games this season we scored under Cooper including cup.

Compared to 16 blanks in 26 games under RVN.

 

If little was created under Cooper how do you describe RVN attacking prowess?

 

 

[SafewayFox]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

They was the only players available, who else was he going to play ?

 

Most posters have said Ayew done well, Vardy is Vardy and BDCR was used when Mcateer and Mav where not available.

 

Jannick was terrible all season and was exposed in a number of games, Winks was awful as well, When Pearson done that he was lauded and rightly so.

 

Yes he was not very good, but he hardly had the tools to play a team capable of competing in the Prem league, look at the amount of chances we conceded under Cooper and how little we created anything... it's not just these two managers the squad was not committed or good enough in the end esp after losing Fatawu to injury so early.

Sorry but that’s complete revisionism!

 

Look at the match day squad lists, Stephy and Facundo were both on the bench during that period.

 

Cooper was awful but Ruud was even worse, I can’t believe some of the tripe about “feeling sorry for him” is being posted on here.

 

There have been less equipped PL clubs who didn’t break the records that we did under Ruud.

Edited 27 June 2025 by SafewayFox

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, HankMarvin said:

14 matches from 15 games this season we scored under Cooper including cup.

Compared to 16 blanks in 26 games under RVN.

 

If little was created under Cooper how do you describe RVN attacking prowess?

 

 

We was still getting battered most weeks and lucky to not come out of games with a much bigger score line... same with RVN... that's why I said the squad was never good enough esp after employing Cooper, we went backwards not forwards.