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They were both awful managers. Cooper on the face of it had a better a record, but he also had a full squad to choose from. Ruud had Ndidi and Mads missing for long parts and Abdul was injured for his whole reign. On the other had, I think Cooper was more tactically aware then Ruud, and that kept us in most games. On the whole, glad to see the back of both.

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1 hour ago, sm1 said:

They were both awful managers. Cooper on the face of it had a better a record, but he also had a full squad to choose from. Ruud had Ndidi and Mads missing for long parts and Abdul was injured for his whole reign. On the other had, I think Cooper was more tactically aware then Ruud, and that kept us in most games. On the whole, glad to see the back of both.

He didn’t have a full squad 

he didn’t have Jannick who started the first 2 games

or Daka for what’s that’s worth.

 

Out of the 11 games Mads didn’t play.

5 games we didn’t score in, and the defeats were all by 2/3 goals

so wouldn’t have made much difference 

3 were won 

1 was drawn 

only one game was lost by a single goal from the 11, were he might of made a difference.

On his return from injury we got 1 point from 33.


As for missing Ndidi, on his return from injury under RVN his first 10 games back we took one point from 30


Both managers were wank, one was considerably worse. Visually watching the games and statistically with the ppg and the horrendous record setting.

 

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7 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Cooper didn’t make us hard to beat we should have been hammered in pretty much every game he was in charge of, we were conceding chances for fun. 

This. Every single metric that was relevant had us in the bottom 3, there were 2 things keeping us above the drop zone in the table, 1) Vardy had a great start to the season and was scoring/creating 

2) Mads Hermansen had an expected goals prevented of almost 7 and was statistically one of the top 5 keepers in Europe under Cooper, but that was down to Mads. 
 

 

Without MADs/Vardy bailing us out every game we would have been firmly in the drop zone, we were outside of the relegation places despite SC imo, not because of him. Pretty much every week we were setting up to survive to the 75th minute and just pray we were either drawing or not 2 goals down. 
 

 

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12 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Cooper didn’t make us hard to beat we should have been hammered in pretty much every game he was in charge of, we were conceding chances for fun. 

For whatever reason though, we were scoring in each game and ‘in it’ from a score line perspective. I’m not saying he wasn’t bad, but in so many games under RVN, we were blown away. 
 

Was it pure luck? Or was there even just a slight bit more belief in the side that they could stay in the game? I don’t know. It was still a decent number of games to purely be riding luck and nothing else.

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57 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

This. Every single metric that was relevant had us in the bottom 3, there were 2 things keeping us above the drop zone in the table, 1) Vardy had a great start to the season and was scoring/creating 

2) Mads Hermansen had an expected goals prevented of almost 7 and was statistically one of the top 5 keepers in Europe under Cooper, but that was down to Mads. 
 

 

Without MADs/Vardy bailing us out every game we would have been firmly in the drop zone, we were outside of the relegation places despite SC imo, not because of him. Pretty much every week we were setting up to survive to the 75th minute and just pray we were either drawing or not 2 goals down. 
 

 

and 3) We played Ipswich and Southampton and both had a man sent off, enabling us to get 4 points

No club has snapped up Cooper since November. Perhaps he´s happy sitting at home with his cash from the 2 sackings

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4 hours ago, Old Fox said:

It’s an interesting perspective - personally think he was absolutely clueless - never got to grip with the capabilities or lack of in some players and was tactically inept - never changed a game favourably and I still had no clue what his style or what he was trying to get us to do.

 

Cooper was a weird appointment but at least he had a plan - it was rubbish but I could see he was trying to make us hard to beat and then steal points but RVN was completely rank and also never ever tried to warm or understand the fans or club generally.

 

Give us someone with a bit of passion - Dyche for me is a no brainer because I think we need an NFP style and that’s SD - he has actually had more prem success than NFP yet fans on here are moaning!

What is this "NFP" thing?

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4 hours ago, sm1 said:

They were both awful managers. Cooper on the face of it had a better a record, but he also had a full squad to choose from. Ruud had Ndidi and Mads missing for long parts and Abdul was injured for his whole reign. On the other had, I think Cooper was more tactically aware then Ruud, and that kept us in most games. On the whole, glad to see the back of both.

In other words an entire season spent on the backfoot with two duff appointments (arguably a season back in the promised land that might have been otherwise if there'd been no PSR threat from the off, and if Enzo had stayed if Chelsea hadn't come calling). The two managerial appointments were a bit chalk and cheese like but ultimately we'd have finished 18th with either in charge one way or the other with the squad available/injuries along the way, etc and attitudes of the players towards Cooper's end tenure didn't help either! Ipswich just didn't get over their underdog tag all season (like Luton the season before) and Saints were just there by default of beating a far superior Leeds team from the previous season in the play offs lottery who simply bottled it on the day - a la Sheffield United v Sunderland this!  

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6 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

But if they went off the boil, is that not down to the manager to get them firing again. Over a sample size of 16 games you can’t be lucky every game to score.

Cooper had 12 games and 12 is **** all in terms of a sample size. Of course you can have a big overperformance in terms of xG. We literally watched it happen.

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1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Cooper had 12 games and 12 is **** all in terms of a sample size. Of course you can have a big overperformance in terms of xG. We literally watched it happen.

15 times the team scored in 16 games. It’s not a small sample size and before you waffle about vardy going off the boil. Other players got goals too and as pony as they were defensively at least fans got to see the team score. 
Something RVN fantasied about in his dreams after blank after blank setting prem records.

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9 hours ago, ACF said:

Cooper was so bad, RVN beat him twice.

My emoti is based on the fact RvN did indeed beat Cooper twice... how badly the managerial decisions have been... 

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What amazes me is that neither of them could see that it was blatantly obvious the system we were asking our players to play didn’t suit them.

 

Defensively, JJ was getting hammered, none of our cb’s were good enough to play in a back 4 and VK played wingback for Denmark (ironically with Vestergaard next to him) and Bologna during his loan spell.

 

Our midfield was easy to cut through which exposed our two centre backs.

 

Fatawu was injured, Bilal/Buonanotte arent wingers and none of the others were performing well enough.

 

Vardy wasn’t physically able to play on his own up front and Ayew/Daka don’t have the skills/ability to play that role.

 

All roads lead to a 3-4-1-2 which I don’t believe we played once under 2 different managers. Astounding. A variation was attempted at Brentford but system wasn’t set up right and personnel was wrong. 

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14 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Cooper didn’t make us hard to beat we should have been hammered in pretty much every game he was in charge of, we were conceding chances for fun. 

Basically 30 shots faced every game wasn't it.

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I realise I am incredibly late to the party here and this will likely already have been discussed…

 

But why was there no ‘we wish you/him all the best for the future…’ or something along those lines in the LCFC post about Ruud leaving?

 

I get things didn’t go well and his record is pretty appalling, but are things that bitter at the club that we can’t even give thanks or wish anyone good luck these days.. Even Cooper got a ‘best wishes for the future’ when he left!

 

(Realise this is probably quite a minor issue in the grand scheme of things… just seems real petty)

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31 minutes ago, Muzzy_Izzn’t said:

I realise I am incredibly late to the party here and this will likely already have been discussed…

 

But why was there no ‘we wish you/him all the best for the future…’ or something along those lines in the LCFC post about Ruud leaving?

 

I get things didn’t go well and his record is pretty appalling, but are things that bitter at the club that we can’t even give thanks or wish anyone good luck these days.. Even Cooper got a ‘best wishes for the future’ when he left!

 

(Realise this is probably quite a minor issue in the grand scheme of things… just seems real petty)

There was.

 

"Ruud moves on with the respect and thanks of everyone at the Football Club for his dedication and hard work, and with our very best wishes for the future."

 

It's the same copy / paste platitudes afforded to every sacked manager from LCFC's groundbreaking comms team. 

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1 minute ago, RoboFox said:

There was.

 

"Ruud moves on with the respect and thanks of everyone at the Football Club for his dedication and hard work, and with our very best wishes for the future."

 

It's the same copy / paste platitudes afforded to every sacked manager from LCFC's groundbreaking comms team. 

Ahh is that on Twitter/X?

 

On the Insta post it just says ‘Leicester City Football Club and Ruud van Nistlerooy have mutually agreed that Ruud’s contract with the Club as First Team Manager will terminate with immediate effect.’

 

Which is also just a weird way of putting it too.. 

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