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Kasey McAteer (gone to Ipswich, official. 12m.)

By moore_94, in Transfer Talk

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David Ornstein, 12m bid accepted from Ipswich

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Bluearmyfox28

Bluearmyfox28

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Just now, em9999 said:

I hate due to psr we all need a mathematics degree to work profit out 

 

So I’ve actually spent time trying to figure out how much of a mess we are in this season compared to the 23/24 season. I’ve considered a few times to open a separate thread regarding it.
 

Ultimately we won’t know exactly how we look from a PSR perspective due to last seasons accounts not being available but we can gauge from a transfer expenditure perspective. 

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slymunn

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If we didn't sell him now people would be talking about this deal 3 or 4 years down the line, as well as the Sunderland offer.  We have done this in the past with Iverson and Hamza along with others, so I'm happy we have got decent money at the right time.

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Bluearmyfox28

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4 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

 as the profit from McAteer would outweigh what we'd get for how BEK is currently being valued/allegedly bid for.

Sadly not true. McAteer is obviously clear profit of £12m. BEK currently has a book value of £15.75m, so selling him for £32m would show a book value profit of £16.25m.

dannythefox

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Probably one of the only ones that actually give a shit about the club however 12/13m is very good money, plus he has a few injury’s over the season. 

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CloudFox

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Just now, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Sadly not true. McAteer is obviously clear profit of £12m. BEK currently has a book value of £15.75m, so selling him for £32m would show a book value profit of £16.25m.

Ah thanks, I've misunderstood there then. I thought BEK's book value was higher.

 

Still not bad though!

st albans fox

st albans fox

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21 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

With the £12m from Kasey, that takes us up to around £40m raised with a book value profit of £34.5m. 
 

With the inevitable sales of BEK & JJ we will be at around £80m raised with a book value profit of £58m.

approx psr values 

Coady - neutral 

mads - £10m
wilf £8m

Kasey £12m

BEK. Anything over 16m added to above 

JJ.  Anything over 1m added to above 

 

so if we got 26m for bek and 8m for JJ would be £47m psr income this year.   I had a number around 60m in my head as being rough requirement.  

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Bluearmyfox28

Bluearmyfox28

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1 minute ago, CloudFox said:

Ah thanks, I've misunderstood there then. I thought BEK's book value was higher.

 

Still not bad though!

Not at all! Obvious sale to be made at that price regardless of our feelings towards Kasey. 
 

BEK was signed for £21m on a 4 year deal, so each year reduces £5.25m 👍

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Finnegan

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8 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

It certainly would help us be tougher with negotiations with BEK, as the profit from McAteer would outweigh what we'd get for how BEK is currently being valued/allegedly bid for.

 

It all depends on whether these sales are to reinvest in the squad or not.

 

I'd love to believe that McAteer gets sold so we don't have to sell those two (although more open to with Justin given he's in his final year with us)...and can reinvest in at least a striker.

 

...but enough about my fever dreams...

 

9 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I think they’re as good as gone tbh.
 

There was too much noise about JJ to Leeds prior to the injury for it to not happen, I think they are just waiting til he’s 100% for medical purposes & Bilal is gone as far as I’m concerned.

 

To be clear, I completely believe we're willing to sell them and that both players would happily leave to go back to the Prem.

 

But I can both clubs finding better and more affordable options. If Pino is willing to go to Palace (and for less than we want for BEK) that's a hell of a coup.

 

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Tielemans63

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I wish him the best of luck at Ipswich. I'd rather we'd shifted a complete waster like Soumare or Daka, but on the face of it, it's a decent deal.

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Muzzy_no7

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33 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I think losing Kacey is a bigger loss that we think, yes he may not be Abdul, but he's hard working, has pace, is fit without imjuries and can finish, its ridiculous we didn't try him as a forward/striker, we need players like kacey when we have players like Soumare and mavididi who cant be arsed to run

Does he have pace though?

adejo92

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4 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

Probably one of the only ones that actually give a shit about the club however 12/13m is very good money, plus he has a few injury’s over the season. 

I give a shit about the club and probably have about as much impact on our performances sat as home as he did on the pitch.

 

Great business getting him gone.

Bluearmyfox28

Bluearmyfox28

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2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

approx psr values 

Coady - neutral 

mads - £10m
wilf £8m

Kasey £12m

BEK. Anything over 17m added to above 

JJ.  Anything over 1m added to above 

 

so if we got 26m for bek and 8m for JJ would be £46m psr income this year.   I had a number around 60m in my head as being rough requirement.  

So here’s how I have it:

 

- Coady - £2m (£0.2m book value profit)

- Wilf - £8.3m (All profit)

- Hermansen £18m (£14.1m book value profit, Mads is complicated due to a variety of fee’s being stated)

- Kasey £12m (All profit)

 

Likely sales:

 

- BEK £32m (£16.25m book value profit)

- JJ £7m (All profit) 

 

With regards to PSR, it’s impossible to calculate without knowing the loss margin for last season. However, the one thing we do know is you are allowed to lose £35m for each season in the premier league & £13m for each season in the championship.
 

What we know about this 3 year cycle of 23/24, 24/25 and 25/26 is that it includes 2 seasons in the championship and 1 in the premier league meaning we can have a max loss of £61m across the 3 year cycle. 
 

We already know we made a loss of £19m in 23/24 therefore that allows us to make a loss of £42m from last season and this season.

Bluearmyfox28

Bluearmyfox28

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10 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

 

To be clear, I completely believe we're willing to sell them and that both players would happily leave to go back to the Prem.

 

But I can both clubs finding better and more affordable options. If Pino is willing to go to Palace (and for less than we want for BEK) that's a hell of a coup.

 

You also have the argument though that if Tottenham are sniffing around Bilal, that they’ll cough up to get the deal done.

 

All depends how badly they want him I guess.

reynard

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2 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

So here’s how I have it:

 

- Coady - £2m (£0.2m book value profit)

- Wilf - £8.3m (All profit)

- Hermansen £18m (£14.1m book value profit, Mads is complicated due to a variety of fee’s being stated)

- Kasey £12m (All profit)

 

Likely sales:

 

- BEK £32m (£16.25m book value profit)

- JJ £7m (All profit) 

 

With regards to PSR, it’s impossible to calculate without knowing the loss margin for last season. However, the one thing we do know is you are allowed to lose £35m for each season in the premier league & £13m for each season in the championship.
 

What we know about this 3 year cycle of 23/24, 24/25 and 25/26 is that it includes 2 seasons in the championship and 1 in the premier league meaning we can have a max loss of £61m across the 3 year cycle. 
 

We already know we made a loss of £19m in 23/24 therefore that allows us to make a loss of £42m from last season and this season.

Plus add in the savings on wages, national insurance and player insurance costs etc etc.  Including the 3 not retained players this must be a decent chunk of expenses saved.

Still more required I would think though.

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Muzzy_no7

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Just now, Bluearmyfox28 said:

So here’s how I have it:

 

- Coady - £2m (£0.2m book value profit)

- Wilf - £8.3m (All profit)

- Hermansen £18m (£14.1m book value profit, Mads is complicated due to a variety of fee’s being stated)

- Kasey £12m (All profit)

 

Likely sales:

 

- BEK £32m (£16.25m book value profit)

- JJ £7m (All profit) 

 

With regards to PSR, it’s impossible to calculate without knowing the loss margin for last season. However, the one thing we do know is you are allowed to lose £35m for each season in the premier league & £13m for each season in the championship.
 

What we know about this 3 year cycle of 23/24, 24/25 and 25/26 is that it includes 2 seasons in the championship and 1 in the premier league meaning we can have a max loss of £61m across the 3 year cycle. 
 

We already know we made a loss of £19m in 23/24 therefore that allows us to make a loss of £42m from last season and this season.

That Mads fee is certainly more than 18m. I’ve heard it’s more like 20m minimum potentially getting to 23m + a sell on %. 
 

Kasey add ons (2m) most likely dependant on them getting promoted. 

Bryn

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1 hour ago, Big Blue Maff said:

That’s all very well however I cannot see a title challenge appearing with no decent players can u ? 12m is decent doe for McAteer especially as he doesn’t play every week 

 

I struggle to see a promotion challenge with any of the current setup.

ClaphamFox

ClaphamFox

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2 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

So here’s how I have it:

 

- Coady - £2m (£0.2m book value profit)

- Wilf - £8.3m (All profit)

- Hermansen £18m (£14.1m book value profit, Mads is complicated due to a variety of fee’s being stated)

- Kasey £12m (All profit)

 

Likely sales:

 

- BEK £32m (£16.25m book value profit)

- JJ £7m (All profit) 

 

With regards to PSR, it’s impossible to calculate without knowing the loss margin for last season. However, the one thing we do know is you are allowed to lose £35m for each season in the premier league & £13m for each season in the championship.
 

What we know about this 3 year cycle of 23/24, 24/25 and 25/26 is that it includes 2 seasons in the championship and 1 in the premier league meaning we can have a max loss of £61m across the 3 year cycle. 
 

We already know we made a loss of £19m in 23/24 therefore that allows us to make a loss of £42m from last season and this season.

We made a financial loss of £19m for 23/24 season. The PSR loss hasn't been revealed yet.

Bluearmyfox28

Bluearmyfox28

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Just now, Muzzy_no7 said:

That Mads fee is certainly more than 18m. I’ve heard it’s more like 20m minimum potentially getting to 23m + a sell on %. 
 

Kasey add ons (2m) most likely dependant on them getting promoted. 

I’ve calculated Mads at £20m with a 10% sell on clause going to Brøndby, totalling our amount to £18m.

 

Add ons are hard to calculate also as firstly we don’t know what the clauses are or if they’ll ever get achieved and second of all they are not paid across the length of the contract and instead paid in one off fee’s.

Bluearmyfox28

Bluearmyfox28

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2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

We made a financial loss of £19m for 23/24 season. The PSR loss hasn't been revealed yet.

See this is where I get stuck. Because what fully is included in PSR and based off the accounts we release can we calculate PSR losses?

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