gurru991 Posted 6 January Posted 6 January (edited) 9 hours ago, SafewayFox said: Marti won’t turn this dross around. Feels like the ultimate placeholder until the summer and we lose some players on silly money. You are right.... Mart wont turn this around but until the team goes through a major rebuild no one else will either. This team is not a product of Marti...... It's a product of Jon Rudkin !!! The problem we have is that the man in charge of fixing the mess is the man responsible for it !!! Edited 6 January by gurru991 3
ClaphamFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 2 minutes ago, gurru991 said: You are right.... Mart went turn this around but until the team goes through a major rebuild no one else will either. This team is not a product of Marti...... It's a product of Jon Rudkin !!! The problem we have is that the man in charge of fixing the mess is the man responsible for it !!! Ultimately, it's a product of Top. His complete inability to run a football club is the route cause of our problems. There are only two ways out of the mess we're in: Top either sells up or he recruits some people with actual ability to run the club for him. As there are no indications he's about to sell, we'd better hope that by some miracle we manage to recruit some talented people for the vacant CEO, Sporting Director and Commercial Director positions. 4
filbertway Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Mad to sack Mason after that performance! Unless they were planning to anyway with the FA cup week coming up. 1
Pita Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Ultimately, it's a product of Top. His complete inability to run a football club is the root cause of our problems. There are only two ways out of the mess we're in: Top either sells up or he recruits some people with actual ability to run the club for him. As there are no indications he's about to sell, we'd better hope that by some miracle we manage to recruit some talented people for the vacant CEO, Sporting Director and Commercial Director positions. Said he was but nothing has happened just brought in ceo who has never had anything to do with English football. We are in so much trouble
ClaphamFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 7 minutes ago, Pita said: Said he was but nothing has happened just brought in ceo who has never had anything to do with English football. We are in so much trouble Isn't that Thai CEO just a temporary one while we recruit for the permanent one?
Manwell Pablo Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 17 minutes ago, filbertway said: Mad to sack Mason after that performance! Unless they were planning to anyway with the FA cup week coming up. You mean result? The performance was piss poor after the goal, rode the storm Jakob actually did his job and WBA allowed two of our main threats to do what they do in stoppage time. For 70 odd mins it was torrid. 4
Pita Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 10 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Isn't that Thai CEO just a temporary one while we recruit for the permanent one? Yes but still running the club with no experience
filbertway Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 15 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: You mean result? The performance was piss poor after the goal, rode the storm Jakob actually did his job and WBA allowed two of our main threats to do what they do in stoppage time. For 70 odd mins it was torrid. No I meant performance. Thought they comfortably outplayed and outfought us for the majority of the game after our good 25-30 min start. 4 big chances to our 1 and a higher xG would back that up as well. Serve up them stats most weeks and you'll be fine in the long run. 1
Manwell Pablo Posted 6 January Posted 6 January (edited) 17 minutes ago, filbertway said: No I meant performance. Thought they comfortably outplayed and outfought us for the majority of the game after our good 25-30 min start. 4 big chances to our 1 and a higher xG would back that up as well. Serve up them stats most weeks and you'll be fine in the long run. Oh, you've said Mason, I've read it as Marti I think the thing with Mason is people lose patience when it's nine on the spin performances stop to matter if they never yield results. Edited 6 January by Manwell Pablo 1
Clogger_ Posted 6 January Posted 6 January (edited) I'm quite tempted to be a Marti in-er as I very strongly believe KP do not deserve a scapegoat (No evidence he's any use as a manager though!) Edited 6 January by Clogger_
filbertway Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 2 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Oh, you've said Mason, I've read it as Marti I think the thing with Mason is people lose patience when it's nine on the spin performances stop to matter if they never yield results. Haha I did wonder. Yeah I get it, it just seems odd to do it now and not before this game, but maybe it was done with the knowledge that there's 2 weeks to get a gaffer in place now. Literally the only thing that makes me want to keep Marti atm is that Russell Martin is still a free agent 3
FoxKent_88 Posted 6 January Posted 6 January You'd like to believe the club were upfront with MC during the final stages of the recruitment process (?) He's likely been told there's no money to spend and that we'd be cautiously dabbling in the loan market whilst actively looking to move players on in the window(s). Because of this he'd need to continue the work started by his predecessor and promote youth into the first team. There's a potentially significant points deduction incoming but there's a minimum expectation that he maintains championship status and he'd need to achieve this without criticising or complaining. Personally I'd say the standard in the championship is so poor we should be fairing much better than we are. This squad is not exactly bereft of talent and he should be getting a much better tune out of them. BUT, the current rate of points accumulation is sufficient to withstand a 9 point deduction so I suspect things will need to get a lot worse before the club entertains the idea and expense of replacing MC.
Happy Fox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 6 minutes ago, FoxKent_88 said: You'd like to believe the club were upfront with MC during the final stages of the recruitment process (?) He's likely been told there's no money to spend and that we'd be cautiously dabbling in the loan market whilst actively looking to move players on in the window(s). Because of this he'd need to continue the work started by his predecessor and promote youth into the first team. There's a potentially significant points deduction incoming but there's a minimum expectation that he maintains championship status and he'd need to achieve this without criticising or complaining. Personally I'd say the standard in the championship is so poor we should be fairing much better than we are. This squad is not exactly bereft of talent and he should be getting a much better tune out of them. BUT, the current rate of points accumulation is sufficient to withstand a 9 point deduction so I suspect things will need to get a lot worse before the club entertains the idea and expense of replacing MC. With a 9 points deduction we would be 5 points above the relegation zone, I wouldn't back us in that predicament tbqh.
MonarchFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 1 hour ago, filbertway said: Mad to sack Mason after that performance! Unless they were planning to anyway with the FA cup week coming up. Got to feel or the bloke, battered us but couldn't buy a win
Clogger_ Posted 6 January Posted 6 January On Mason and West Brom, while they were undoubtedly better than us*, I still thought they looked like a disorganised and demotivated rabble for much of the game *We stunk. No suprise: we've been rancid for two seasons. Bar the spell under Enzo we've been absolutely rank for years!
RedSoxUK Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Y'all want Marti Sniffmypanties to stay on and play Evans. I want him gone now. ****ing fraud if a man and his bald bastard second.
hejammy Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Our performances have been so bad, but every now and again, because of players like Fatawu, an individual moment has and will keep him in this job. Clearly Top can't be bothered to watch us, probably sees the scores and think, "what's the issue here?" The fact that the table is so tight also doesn't help. Unless we get into the relegation zone I can't see anything changing so we're just going to either come to terms with it, or we as fans kick up a massive fuss, like yesterday and he's forced to take note.
Bablemikey Posted 7 January Posted 7 January Was hoping we might take advantage of this brief pause in league fixtures to replace the manager. Probably would have happened by now if it was going to, sadly.
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 January Posted 7 January 5 hours ago, Bablemikey said: Was hoping we might take advantage of this brief pause in league fixtures to replace the manager. Probably would have happened by now if it was going to, sadly. Not going to sack him after a win are they, and with this administration definitely out the question, they are praying it works out because they don't want to be reaching into their pockets for the compo and giving a replacement a signing on fee as we've got no money.
jayfox26 Posted 7 January Posted 7 January On 06/01/2026 at 12:25, ClaphamFox said: Ultimately, it's a product of Top. His complete inability to run a football club is the route cause of our problems. There are only two ways out of the mess we're in: Top either sells up or he recruits some people with actual ability to run the club for him. As there are no indications he's about to sell, we'd better hope that by some miracle we manage to recruit some talented people for the vacant CEO, Sporting Director and Commercial Director positions. All true. Problem we have with the recruitment of the roles you mentioned, similar to the recruitment of players, we have no money and anyone decent within football can see what a shambles the club is, so most likely wouldn't come here. Our only hope would be to take a punt on someone from a league 1/2 club that has done well. The other issue is that Top seems completely absent at the moment, so what is he actually doing for the club right now? Is he actively looking for recruitments for these roles? Is he leaving it all to his lapdog Rudkin? I just dont see how he can turn this around, in the 7 years since his dad passed we seem to be getting progressively worse in every aspect and I don't see that changing unless he sells up.
dannythefox Posted 7 January Posted 7 January Can’t see us sacking him every time we’re close they win. No chance of a promotion push next season if he’s still here though.
ClaphamFox Posted 7 January Posted 7 January 26 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: All true. Problem we have with the recruitment of the roles you mentioned, similar to the recruitment of players, we have no money and anyone decent within football can see what a shambles the club is, so most likely wouldn't come here. Our only hope would be to take a punt on someone from a league 1/2 club that has done well. The other issue is that Top seems completely absent at the moment, so what is he actually doing for the club right now? Is he actively looking for recruitments for these roles? Is he leaving it all to his lapdog Rudkin? I just dont see how he can turn this around, in the 7 years since his dad passed we seem to be getting progressively worse in every aspect and I don't see that changing unless he sells up. I agree. The problem we have is that Top is probably deeply reluctant to sell the club out of respect for his father. Respect for one's elders—particularly parents—is a major part of Thai culture. Top may well regard the prospect of selling up as dishonouring his father's legacy, particularly as Khun Vichai lost his life just outside the ground and is commemorated there. So we could be in the unfortunate position of having an owner who: a) has none of the skills or character traits required to run the club effectively; and b) won't sell up because he doesn't want to disrespect his late father. Which would be a bit of a pickle for us. 2
jayfox26 Posted 7 January Posted 7 January (edited) 16 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: I agree. The problem we have is that Top is probably deeply reluctant to sell the club out of respect for his father. Respect for one's elders—particularly parents—is a major part of Thai culture. Top may well regard the prospect of selling up as dishonouring his father's legacy, particularly as Khun Vichai lost his life just outside the ground and is commemorated there. So we could be in the unfortunate position of having an owner who: a) has none of the skills or character traits required to run the club effectively; and b) won't sell up because he doesn't want to disrespect his late father. Which would be a bit of a pickle for us. Yeh all sadly true. He really does just need to hire competent people at every level and just leave Rudkin feeding the horses. If he continues to put all his faith and trust in Rudkin when it comes to decision making at the club then we will never get out of the downward spiral we are in. Edited 7 January by jayfox26 1
Mickyblueeyes Posted 7 January Posted 7 January 17 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: I agree. The problem we have is that Top is probably deeply reluctant to sell the club out of respect for his father. Respect for one's elders—particularly parents—is a major part of Thai culture. Top may well regard the prospect of selling up as dishonouring his father's legacy, particularly as Khun Vichai lost his life just outside the ground and is commemorated there. So we could be in the unfortunate position of having an owner who: a) has none of the skills or character traits required to run the club effectively; and b) won't sell up because he doesn't want to disrespect his late father. Which would be a bit of a pickle for us. I think you are absolutely right in terms of the situation we are in. However, I disagree with your reasoning why. . Surely if it was a respect and honour thing, you’d be absolutely horrified by what has occurred and want to put it right to “honour thy father”. I mean, putting Vichai aside, this man has had exposure to high level, exceptionally talented people. Whether that be in the sporting or business world, that elite mindset rubs off. If it was in honour of Vichai, the rest of the family who loved him equally wouldn’t be so distant from it since his death. Look at the KP board revamp - there are some reasonably talented business people on that board. Both Apichet and one of the sisters have taken assistant c suite roles to benefit from the exposure. Top sits as “executive chairman”. Look at the quality of appointments at King Power racing (Rudkin aside) high level trainers/riders. Both have strong family interests. The two that don’t, us and Leuven are very much Top only projects. He knows just from experience that what is happening is not in line with his father’s legacy or his expectation when alive. He continues for one reason to run the club like a corner shop. Making the final decision. Keeping the yes man around. Not hiring genuine challengers. It’s a power trip. And that’s what he has here, the power that he loves. At KP he was challenged and move aside by the family. No one can do that here, he loves it. . 1 1
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