Popular Post Nobbyburton Posted 6 January Popular Post Posted 6 January I can’t get my head around why people think it’s a waste of time to get rid of him. Are you even watching the football? It’s absolutely revolting, he couldn’t be getting less out of these players. We can’t waste anymore time to him. Yes there are clearly bigger problems at the club we want sorting - but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do something about this very ****ing obvious problem too. Worst manager we’ve ever had, completely out of his depth. 8 3
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 9 hours ago, STUHILL said: Nope. I think he is here to stay, unless we drop into the bottom 3. Sad but true. Yeah suspect there will be a clause like there was for Rodgers. But even then if we get plonked in there because of a points deduction that might not trigger it.
Popular Post DAS Boot Posted 6 January Popular Post Posted 6 January We’re hitting different levels of awful under this guy. Nothing made sense last night. Positioning was all over the place, defending was comical, passing atrocious, press non existent, very limited movement. I hate to have a pop at a fellow supporter but if you’re trying to make an argument for this guy staying in post, you really need to have a word with yourself. This guy is putting us on a downward trajectory that we may not recover from for a very long time. 6 1
Ric Flair Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 8 hours ago, em9999 said: He's turned us into a shit version of qpr I didn't even think such a thing was even possible Quite telling how many goals their strikers are now scoring, granted they've bought Kone and Burrell for dirt cheap but others scoring goals both at QPR and other clubs that Cifuentes had whilst at his disposal there. He somehow manages to make his teams abysmal at the back and devoid of anything going forwards. 3
teblin Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Just now, Ric Flair said: Quite telling how many goals their strikers are now scoring, granted they've bought Kone and Burrell for dirt cheap but others scoring goals both at QPR and other clubs that Cifuentes had whilst at his disposal there. He somehow manages to make his teams abysmal at the back and devoid of anything going forwards. Saw him a couple of times for Burton last year, had pace and worked hard but didn't expect him to make the step up quite as well as he has.
Ric Flair Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 1 minute ago, teblin said: Saw him a couple of times for Burton last year, had pace and worked hard but didn't expect him to make the step up quite as well as he has. I didn't know much about him but just shows the players in the lower leagues that are out there for a low fee. We wouldn't even know where to start thiugh, so far off that type of scouting. 2
Gazza M Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Not the long term answer at all, but we need to just ride out the storm and get deduction out the way. Hopefully some green shoots in the spring and we can get some players off the books in the summer and wipe the slate clean. Think Marti will depart at season end.
StanSP Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Albeit brief, his comments shown on BBC on the match report regarding the boycott are so weak. He's made a link between fans not coming and it being related to produce better performances to come back to. It's not about that (well, not fully). It's about the people above him. The only thing he could muster up saying is 'I fully respect what their thoughts are'. Meh .
Stuntman_Mike Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Forget everything else that's happened, you could make a case for wanting the owners out for sticking with this guy on it's own. It's like we've given up as a club. You can't watch this and genuinely feel like we're serious. 4
BenTheFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 9 hours ago, coolhandfox said: The season will continue like this, win a few, lose a few more. At the moment we are averaging 1.42 a game which gets us around the 65 point mark at the end of the season. Which is top half. If we get that we probably need to get deducted 15 points to get in trouble. Board has to sack him ideally or decide to back him a give him so extra tools like a CF, RB and LB. He's not been dealt a good hand. He's only been able to bring in 4 players, one being a 38 year-old goalkeeper and the others being loans, one of which was Carranza, who was horrendous and has now left. However, I'd much rather give backing to a manger we can trust. Marti hasn't gotten anywhere enough out of this squad to earn that trust.
Pliskin Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 10 minutes ago, Gazza M said: Not the long term answer at all, but we need to just ride out the storm and get deduction out the way. Hopefully some green shoots in the spring and we can get some players off the books in the summer and wipe the slate clean. Think Marti will depart at season end. Would you stab the tyres on your car and then choose to drive it? This storm is self indicted and avoidable. Marti, is making us worse and if we stick with him the likely hood is we will get relegated. 1
TheGoldenGod Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 14 minutes ago, StanSP said: Albeit brief, his comments shown on BBC on the match report regarding the boycott are so weak. He's made a link between fans not coming and it being related to produce better performances to come back to. It's not about that (well, not fully). It's about the people above him. The only thing he could muster up saying is 'I fully respect what their thoughts are'. Meh . I don't think he can say much more to be honest Stan. We've seen two managers this week sacked by PL boards because they spoke out against the hierarchy.
coolhandfox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 1 minute ago, BenTheFox said: He's not been dealt a good hand. He's only been able to bring in 4 players, one being a 38 year-old goalkeeper and the others being loans, one of which was Carranza, who was horrendous and has now left. However, I'd much rather give backing to a manger we can trust. Marti hasn't gotten anywhere enough out of this squad to earn that trust. I agree it not an excuse for the lack of organisation or running for me. I actually don't have a issue with how we are doing from a points POV, I have an issue with the performances. I hope we move him on, but if the club don't we need to give him some help. 1
coolhandfox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 15 minutes ago, StanSP said: Albeit brief, his comments shown on BBC on the match report regarding the boycott are so weak. He's made a link between fans not coming and it being related to produce better performances to come back to. It's not about that (well, not fully). It's about the people above him. The only thing he could muster up saying is 'I fully respect what their thoughts are'. Meh . To be fair Stan, his job is to talk about what happens on the pitch. 1
BenTheFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 1 minute ago, coolhandfox said: I agree it not an excuse for the lack of organisation or running for me. I actually don't have a issue with how we are doing from a points POV, I have an issue with the performances. I hope we move him on, but if the club don't we need to give him some help. Exactly. Generally, we have been far worse than our league position suggests. The underlying data proves this. 1
Pliskin Posted 6 January Posted 6 January You’ve got to analyse what Marti has done. Yes he has had limitations during his time here, but there’s still a squad here for him to pick from. There is still quality in this squad, albeit limited, as proven last night with both of the goals…… You have to ask, have we improved, or have any individual players improved? The answer is simply no…. Regardless of the quality or lack thereof within this squad you would expect to see some form of improvement somewhere… even the redemption arc of Skipp isn’t down to him, Skipp has just been doing what he was doing before, just with more consistency because he is playing more. Nelson is his producing the football we knew he was capable of. But look elsewhere, Thomas is horrific, Hamza has been horrific, Ricardo has been poor, Fatawu has regressed Mavididi has regressed, Daka is probably worse than he has ever been, for every good save Stolarczyk makes he makes bunch of mistakes….. Tactically we’ve seen no improvement at all, the football we are playing is probably the worst it’s been in this period, even worse than Cooper and Ruud. Martin can’t be allowed to have a transfer window, he can’t be allowed to continue to play a part in our demise. He is the wrong fit for the job, he isn’t the type of manager you need when you’re in a crisis. The options are limited, but really wouldn’t be adverse to Mowbray until the end of the season. We clearly aren’t going up, so we need someone who will focus on the best interests of the club…. We need someone who will focus on the academy and just try and build a solid base to work from. Can Carrick do this? Possibly but I have some reservations…. All I know is, Marti isn’t the man for the job, there’s no base, no foundations under Marti, noting….. it’s horrific, the football is absolutely terrible, and there’s absolutely no evidence of any improvements at all… things don’t just magically change, especially in this era of football, Marti will just continue in this way…… 1
Phil Mitchell Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Won 2/2 el sackico’s now. First Manning now Mason. Diamonds are made under pressure. Phil 2
Swarles Barkley Posted 6 January Posted 6 January I keep going back and forth with how much the poor performances are due to poor management or the lack of backing he has received alongside a terrible team ethos. We were all saying he needs to stop playing the likes of Faes, Vesty, Winks, Soumare etc which he has done. The problem then becomes and if you exclude 4 first team players then you are forced to play the same 11 (which we essentially do) week in week out. That is grueling especially in the championship and would in part explain the dire performances. Of course this doesn’t explain the performances at the start of the season but it does suggest why we look like we are getting worse. Completely understand the argument of wanting to play the youth but I don’t think it would impact our league position by much had we done so. Whilst a new manager can breathe fresh ideas into a team, until we sort out this squad I worry we will be back in the same position in a months time.
joachim1965 Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 55 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: He's not been dealt a good hand. He's only been able to bring in 4 players, one being a 38 year-old goalkeeper and the others being loans, one of which was Carranza, who was horrendous and has now left. However, I'd much rather give backing to a manger we can trust. Marti hasn't gotten anywhere enough out of this squad to earn that trust. You can have the worse squad in the league, but the very bare minimum you should expect is work rate, those running stats are outrageous and that is on the manager.
BenTheFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January (edited) 5 minutes ago, joachim1965 said: You can have the worse squad in the league, but the very bare minimum you should expect is work rate, those running stats are outrageous and that is on the manager. You won't find me disagreeing. He should still be getting more out of this squad. Edited 6 January by BenTheFox
Les-TA-Jon Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 1 hour ago, Nobbyburton said: I can’t get my head around why people think it’s a waste of time to get rid of him. Are you even watching the football? It’s absolutely revolting, he couldn’t be getting less out of these players. We can’t waste anymore time to him. Yes there are clearly bigger problems at the club we want sorting - but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do something about this very ****ing obvious problem too. Worst manager we’ve ever had, completely out of his depth. Many, many people said the same about RVN and Cooper before him - which is quite telling isn't it? Marti has been terrible no doubt. But isn't it very likely the club appoints someone equally uninspiring as his replacement? Again, it's not really about what we want as a forum/fanbase and more about what we think the club is likely to do. Personally I imagine they know that promotion is incredibly unlikely this season, so therefore the only real objective is to avoid relegation. If Marti is doing that then they'll see no reason to sack him, especially when there's a financial cost to doing so and things continue to be tight.
joachim1965 Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 2 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: You won't me disagreeing. He should still be getting more out of this squad. Absolutely, there's no excuse for poor work ethic.
BKLFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January On the fans' boycott: "To the fans that came, I appreciate it because it was a cold night. I hope they got their reward with the last-minute goal and that they went home happy. "For those that didn't come, I fully respect what their thoughts are. I have full respect for all the fans and I hope we can produce much better performances and better results so they are encouraged to come." Not sure its that bad, understands & says he hopes performances & results improve to encourage fans back, not calling out anyone that didn't turn up as being disloyal etc Was he meant to say i'm fully supportive of those that didn't turn up & good on them i think Top & the board are (--------------------) also? 1
SafewayFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Marti won’t turn this dross around. Feels like the ultimate placeholder until the summer and we lose some players on silly money. 2
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