AjcW Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 43 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: Russell Martin has just got married ….. maybe the delay was him not wanting to commit to the job prior to his wedding Well that means he’s got two weeks shagging Lucy Pinder in the Maldives first now…. 3
WinslowFox Posted 15 February Posted 15 February Leave it so long? So that when they appoint Russell Martin it’s widely accepted by the fan base?
Popular Post Rubbersoul Posted 15 February Popular Post Posted 15 February they've done the exact same thing they did when sacking Rodgers. The incompetence is extraordinary 11
winteriscoming Posted 15 February Author Posted 15 February Forest will be on their next manager by the time we make an appointment. 1 1
LcFc_Smiv Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 3 minutes ago, WinslowFox said: Leave it so long? So that when they appoint Russell Martin it’s widely accepted by the fan base? You dont have to worry about RM, he will not work under Rudkin. 1
Winstonthedog Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 4 hours ago, fox_favourite said: I'm starting to think that we can't afford a new manager. Why is it taking so long? Top's promises. We'll get a new CEO...132 days later and nothing. A new technical director is close. Still nothing. The need for a new manager in a relegation battle. 3 weeks and still nothing. Better communication to the fans - 2 crappy generic interviews and then silence on what is happening. I think we're financially that screwed that we can't do anything. We are league 1 bound. It's basically 2 clowns running a professional football club and neither know what they are doing!!! They are running the club into the ground in front of us. Players with the mentality of a dry fish and a guy who doesn't want to manage us who is being left all alone to to try to sort it out and it's just not working. I'm of the belief the players know something about the club. Know we're fooked so lack motivation to get going. Does any of this scream competency and the ability to avoid relegation?? Not for me. We could finish below Oxford at this rate! Totally agree ... added to that lack of coaching staff so really down to the bare bones of a club .... I genuinely believe they are preparing for league 1 ...
Fox85 Posted 15 February Posted 15 February There is a lot of rumours doing the rounds that a lot of managers will not work with JR and this is the reason why we are struggling to get someone in. Can anyone confirm? I mean its highly likely I guess.
ClaphamFox Posted 15 February Posted 15 February (edited) 25 minutes ago, LcFc_Smiv said: I dont think this lack of managerial appointment will be a financial related issue. I imagine we are still trying to push this heavily possession based style at all costs ruling the likes of Rowett out or them ruling themselves out because what we are asking isnt within their philosophy, i.e Cooper trying to enforce the possession based approach. I also dont agree people wont want the role. While everything around us is seemingly toxic, there will be plenty who will have that self belief they can be the ones to turn it around, despite what the evidence says. The issue you will have is once they actually sit in front of our esteemed leadership, will they still want to work under them? And if they do, does their face fit for how the club wants them to play and coach this side? In his recent interviews Top strongly hinted that he’d moved on from his obsession with Man City and possession football. And if he was lying and secretly still wants that kind of football, Russell Martin is the obvious candidate—but he hasn’t been given the job. I have no more idea than anybody else, but my best guess is that the manager they want is currently in work and has indicated he won’t leave his current club until the summer because he doesn’t want to leave them in the lurch during the season. And Top and Rudkin thought it would be a fairly simple matter to recruit a caretaker until the end of the season but have been struggling to find any takers, and for some reason don’t want Pearson to do it. They may also have looked at King’s four games and concluded that he’s been unlucky with red cards etc and that there have been signs of improvement since Marti left, and have concluded he might start delivering results with a bit more time—ignoring the fact that he’s said he doesn’t want to do the job. Edited 15 February by ClaphamFox 2
Winstonthedog Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 3 minutes ago, Fox85 said: There is a lot of rumours doing the rounds that a lot of managers will not work with JR and this is the reason why we are struggling to get someone in. Can anyone confirm? I mean its highly likely I guess. I would imagine it's more than a rumour .. football people will talk to each other and know what's going on .... its obvious this is why Rudkin is being moved upstairs... to save face for Tops total mismanagement of the club
fox_favourite Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 7 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: In his recent interviews Top strongly hinted that he’d moved on from his obsession with Man City and possession football. And if he was lying and secretly still wants that kind of football, Russell Martin is the obvious candidate—but he hasn’t been given the job. I have no more idea than anybody else, but my best guess is that the manager they want is currently in work and has indicated he won’t leave his current club until the summer because he doesn’t want to leave them in the lurch during the season. And Top and Rudkin thought it would be a fairly simple matter to recruit a caretaker until the end of the season but have been struggling to find any takers, and for some reason don’t want Pearson to do it. They may also have looked at King’s four games and concluded that he’s been unlucky with red cards etc and that there have been signs of improvement since Marti left, and have concluded he might start delivering results with a bit more time—ignoring the fact that he’s said he doesn’t want to do the job. All seems plausible for us. They should write a book called 'how not to run a football club'
LcFc_Smiv Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 3 minutes ago, Fox85 said: There is a lot of rumours doing the rounds that a lot of managers will not work with JR and this is the reason why we are struggling to get someone in. Can anyone confirm? I mean its highly likely I guess. 2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: In his recent interviews Top strongly hinted that he’d moved on from his obsession with Man City and possession football. And if he was lying and secretly still wants that kind of football, Russell Martin is the obvious candidate—but he hasn’t been given the job. I have no more idea than anybody else, but my best guess is that the manager they want is currently in work and has indicated he won’t leave his current club until the summer because he doesn’t want to leave them in the lurch during the season. And Top and Rudkin thought it would be a fairly simple matter to recruit a caretaker until the end of the season and have been struggling to find any takers and for some reason don’t want Pearson to do it. They may also have looked at King’s four games and concluded that he’s been unlucky with red cards etc and that there have been signs of improvement since Marti left, and have concluded he might start delivering results with a bit more time—ignoring the fact that he’s said he doesn’t want to do the job. I have been told previously by one of Martins coaching staff that he was Tops choice pre Enzo, Rudkin and those at the club didnt want him and identied Enzo and that was the deal that was done. He was then contacted pre-RVN being sacked and was offered the job, seemingly by Top as one of his requests was that he wouldnt work under Rudkin, so that got pulled. I take everything with a pinch of salt as the individual who passed this on really doesnt like JR. I do beleive though he has been put into a position where he wheels the power more than he should be able to do so. It does seem that those previously appointed end up frustrated under the clubs leadership. If we do have someone lined up and we are struggling to recruit a caretaker, that does make sense but also shows just how poorly ran we really are. Would said individual still want the job when we are likely to be a L1 club. 1
Iwebema Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 9 minutes ago, Fox85 said: There is a lot of rumours doing the rounds that a lot of managers will not work with JR and this is the reason why we are struggling to get someone in. Can anyone confirm? I mean its highly likely I guess. It won't be the only reason, but Rodgers, Enzo, RVN and Marti (less so cooper because he was a PE teacher who couldnt believe his luck) have all made comments about the working conditions and recruitment constraints. Whilst we cant direct that solely at Rudkin, we can be sure 4 of our last 5 managers have all made passive aggressive comments and in some cases direct comments about the difficulties working here are, and as we all know people talk. Any manager worth their salt is looking at us and saying absolutely not, for a number of reasons, no money, no power, incompetence up stairs, fan base unrest, squad dead on its arse. Why would you want to come here? Just wait for another job thats less toxic unless you are desperate (marti paying his own compensation for instance) 2
LichesterRedSoxSoccerBall Posted 15 February Posted 15 February Sorry but in any business world you wouldn't have such pathetic planning. They sacked Marti he didn't walk. So succession planning should have been sorted. Lcfc is a business with multi million pounds going in and out, how can you have such incompetence from business leaders. It simply wouldn't be accepted anywhere else so why should it be accepted here. Cvnts 1
Collymore Posted 15 February Posted 15 February As others have mentioned it makes absolutely no sense to get rid of Marti without having someone lined up. He might as well have been used as a dead man walking rather than binned with a very inexperienced Andy King taking over. It actually feels now like we're fundamentally missing bodies. Reminds me of the Champ Man days where you'd forget to renew staff contracts after going on holiday and get back and suddenly you've got the youth coach reporting to you. You'd then be frantically on the staff finder trying to get any tom dick or harry in to fill the positions... It's just every area of the club that's falling apart now. It's literally being destroyed Infront of our eyes. 2
ClaphamFox Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 8 minutes ago, LichesterRedSoxSoccerBall said: Sorry but in any business world you wouldn't have such pathetic planning. They sacked Marti he didn't walk. So succession planning should have been sorted. Lcfc is a business with multi million pounds going in and out, how can you have such incompetence from business leaders. It simply wouldn't be accepted anywhere else so why should it be accepted here. Cvnts Top wasn’t planning to sack Cifuentes when he came in for the Oxford game. In fact he probably chose to visit that weekend because he was expecting a win. The sacking was a response to losing that game and because it was a sudden decision there was no succession plan. 4
LichesterRedSoxSoccerBall Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 7 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Top wasn’t planning to sack Cifuentes when he came in for the Oxford game. In fact he probably chose to visit that weekend because he was expecting a win. The sacking was a response to losing that game and because it was a sudden decision there was no succession plan. That doesn't make sense. You don't react game by game you have leadership meetings about the performance on and off the pitch fairly regularly one would assume. Why are you defending the lack management from those above
ClaphamFox Posted 15 February Posted 15 February (edited) 4 minutes ago, LichesterRedSoxSoccerBall said: That doesn't make sense. You don't react game by game you have leadership meetings about the performance on and off the pitch fairly regularly one would assume. Why are you defending the lack management from those above What on earth makes you think I’m defending it? I’m just describing what happened. Edited 15 February by ClaphamFox
Corky Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 12 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Top wasn’t planning to sack Cifuentes when he came in for the Oxford game. In fact he probably chose to visit that weekend because he was expecting a win. The sacking was a response to losing that game and because it was a sudden decision there was no succession plan. There had been issues with Cifuentes since early November. The running and fitness statistics were embarrassing and our general play was worsening. There is no excuse for not properly analysing potential replacements in the event the current incumbent might be untenable. We act very slowly and are not getting away with it any more. 2
GlenParvaFox Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 19 minutes ago, SK3Blue said: ‘Yep, see you Monday 9am then Jon’ He's a friend first, boss second; probably an entertainer third. Great appointment.
coolhandfox Posted 15 February Posted 15 February (edited) You could tell Marti wasn't going to see out the season 10 games before he got sacked, but it took them by surprise. At this point we would have been better off keeping him. Edited 15 February by coolhandfox 1
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 36 minutes ago, LichesterRedSoxSoccerBall said: Sorry but in any business world you wouldn't have such pathetic planning. They sacked Marti he didn't walk. So succession planning should have been sorted. Lcfc is a business with multi million pounds going in and out, how can you have such incompetence from business leaders. It simply wouldn't be accepted anywhere else so why should it be accepted here. Cvnts Numerous examples of no succession/forward planning on the playing staff too. Absolute shambles of a club at the moment. The level of incompetence is staggering. So many ridiculous things have happened and are still happening.
Pliskin Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 1 hour ago, LcFc_Smiv said: I dont think this lack of managerial appointment will be a financial related issue. I imagine we are still trying to push this heavily possession based style at all costs ruling the likes of Rowett out or them ruling themselves out because what we are asking isnt within their philosophy, i.e Cooper trying to enforce the possession based approach. I also dont agree people wont want the role. While everything around us is seemingly toxic, there will be plenty who will have that self belief they can be the ones to turn it around, despite what the evidence says. The issue you will have is once they actually sit in front of our esteemed leadership, will they still want to work under them? And if they do, does their face fit for how the club wants them to play and coach this side? Apparently at least one manager has turned us down fairly late into the process. Percy will probably reveal all tomorrow, but I’m hearing we had got someone but they changed their mind last minute. 1 1 1
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 15 February Posted 15 February 1 minute ago, coolhandfox said: You could tell Marti wasn't going to see out the season 10 games before he got sacked, but it took them by surprise. At this point we would have been better off keep him. Had to wait for Top to actually bother coming into the country first, as soon as Marti saw Top he must of known that would be the day. Next time we see Top at a game then expect a new manager announcement. 2
Nick Posted 15 February Posted 15 February Dyche and Rudkin are apparently friends - I can see an appointment till the end of the season with a large bonus if Dyche keeps us up?
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