Gary Rowett

[Foxin_Mad]

Im sure I will be disappointed but I am actually looking forward to a game for the first time in about 2 seasons, even though it is a 12:30 kick off. To be honest if the players come out and give it a good go and lose, you cant really argue. Facts are with these players if they give it a good go 8/10 times they win in this division. 

[Ric Flair]

Liking what I've seen so far on the whole. I hope he has enough trust in the likes of Aluko, Monga and Page because the squad as it is does not have many options and with the amount of games we have in quick succession over the next 2 months, we need to make sure we can see games out and turn games if needs be.

 

I know it's perhaps not the right environment to be relying on youth but we also need the necessary pace and the likes of Ayew and Aribo last night highlighted this. I am also concerned Ricardo has gone from never playing midweek to playing every game since Marti's left, we need to manage him and Aluko has shown enough (Southampton aside) that he can hold his own at this level.

 

 

[lgfualol]

Cus I’m hopeful, yes I am, hopeful for Gar-ay

Play Mukasa, bin Ayew, then we’ll be ok

Etc

 

i like him, unless we start losing then I will stop liking him. 

 

[whoareyaaa]

Cut from a similar cloth to Pearson which is exactly what we need at the club not just now but moving forward, I wasn't keen on him at all never really knew much about him tbh, If he keeps us up he should be given the season and summer to build something.

 

[Dan]

6 hours ago, Rubbersoul said:

When he was appointed I read a lot of comments from fans of various clubs saying how horrible it can be to face a Gary Rowett side and that was music to my ears. 
 

I said in another post but for years we’ve been so easy to play against. I just want us to be a horrible side to play again. 

Yep - other than their goal, which was mostly from an error, I didn't think Middlesbrough really created a great deal yesterday.

 

The vast majority of our games this season we have created very little ourselves, normally scoring worldies, while being a soft touch out of possession. We were actually quite difficult to play through yesterday.

 

Rowett does have a track record of an immediate upturn in results. I'm not entirely sure what happened at Oxford this season, but his record there last year was seriously impressive. Only lost 2 of his first 10 games - away at two teams who got 100 points, with the lowest budget team in the division, having taken over before the January window as well.

 

I'm unsure if he'd ever be a manager to really kick you on but I think he's a good floor raiser.

[PhillippaT]

53 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Cus I’m hopeful, yes I am, hopeful for Gar-ay

Play Mukasa, bin Ayew, then we’ll be ok

Etc

 

i like him, unless we start losing then I will stop liking him. 

 

Nooooo - we can't have that...  We can't have... HOPE  

[Mr.Bingles]

8 minutes ago, PhillippaT said:

Nooooo - we can't have that...  We can't have... HOPE  

[kingfox]

Of course very early days, but he’s already feeling like a proper Leicester manager isn’t he.

 

Very much agree with @whoareyaaa that Rowett is giving off Nigel Pearson vibes. 
 

An honest, straight talking guy, who just wants his teams to work hard and be solid. 
 

If he got the gig permanently, I’d be a bit sceptical of the type of squad he’d like to build, throughout his career he has loved Premier League and Championship proven players, but maybe that’s what we need right now to get us back on track.

 

A team of good honest professionals, with a sprinkling of stardust, just like Pearson built. 

[AjcW]

24 minutes ago, kingfox said:

If he got the gig permanently, I’d be a bit sceptical of the type of squad he’d like to build, throughout his career he has loved Premier League and Championship proven players, but maybe that’s what we need right now to get us back on track.

 

Feel like some of this will be the nature of the teams he's managed. You're not going to attract sparkling talent to Millwall and Oxford United are you, equally expectation when he was at both would have been stability and survival first and foremost. So naturally he's gravitated towards players he's had success with before, and players who know the Championship.

 

I've felt that a bit in terms of the style of play chat too. He's arguably never managed players with this level of ability before (yes I know most of them haven't ****ing shown any of it for a while ). It might well be that things are a bit more exciting and free flowing because he knows he has the players with the ability to do that. He might even be the person who reminds these players of their ability too!

 

If you bring James Mccarron into the picture too, his managers at Lommel were Steve Bould and Lee Johnson. So I don't think Gary will feel like he hasn't got a chance to stay on as there doesn't seem any sort of snobbery from Mccarron on the sort of manager he'd look to bring in.

Edited 25 February by AjcW

[Ric Flair]

3 hours ago, kingfox said:

Of course very early days, but he’s already feeling like a proper Leicester manager isn’t he.

 

Very much agree with @whoareyaaa that Rowett is giving off Nigel Pearson vibes. 
 

An honest, straight talking guy, who just wants his teams to work hard and be solid. 
 

If he got the gig permanently, I’d be a bit sceptical of the type of squad he’d like to build, throughout his career he has loved Premier League and Championship proven players, but maybe that’s what we need right now to get us back on track.

 

A team of good honest professionals, with a sprinkling of stardust, just like Pearson built. 

Certainly not got much of a track record of bringing through young players much but hopefully that's circumstantial vs preference. Would be typical of us though to bring in a sporting director who favours a certain way and a manager the other 😂

[coolhandfox]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Liking what I've seen so far on the whole. I hope he has enough trust in the likes of Aluko, Monga and Page because the squad as it is does not have many options and with the amount of games we have in quick succession over the next 2 months, we need to make sure we can see games out and turn games if needs be.

 

I know it's perhaps not the right environment to be relying on youth but we also need the necessary pace and the likes of Ayew and Aribo last night highlighted this. I am also concerned Ricardo has gone from never playing midweek to playing every game since Marti's left, we need to manage him and Aluko has shown enough (Southampton aside) that he can hold his own at this level.

 

 

Think its a bit early to dig him out for not playing the youth after 180 minutes, especially after starting Monga against Stoke.

[Leicesterpool]

Should get a decent response from supporters on Saturday for his home debut. Going into the fixture unbeaten after two decent performances. For supporters its hopeful fresh start. Its nice to look to forward to leicester game again.

[ACF]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Liking what I've seen so far on the whole. I hope he has enough trust in the likes of Aluko, Monga and Page because the squad as it is does not have many options and with the amount of games we have in quick succession over the next 2 months, we need to make sure we can see games out and turn games if needs be.

 

I know it's perhaps not the right environment to be relying on youth but we also need the necessary pace and the likes of Ayew and Aribo last night highlighted this. I am also concerned Ricardo has gone from never playing midweek to playing every game since Marti's left, we need to manage him and Aluko has shown enough (Southampton aside) that he can hold his own at this level.

 

 

I’m sure he’s picking based on immediate ability to contribute. He’’s got 14 games to save his job. Divine is 18, he’s clearly a cut above so being picked. He bought Page on. He picked VK initially and started Monga against Stoke in his first game. He’ll stick with Nelson.
 

Ayew and Aribo will either contribute, or get found out.

 

Aluko aside, some of our younger players have had chances. Monga has not made himself undroppable.. 

[Nolucklcfc]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Liking what I've seen so far on the whole. I hope he has enough trust in the likes of Aluko, Monga and Page because the squad as it is does not have many options and with the amount of games we have in quick succession over the next 2 months, we need to make sure we can see games out and turn games if needs be.

 

I know it's perhaps not the right environment to be relying on youth but we also need the necessary pace and the likes of Ayew and Aribo last night highlighted this. I am also concerned Ricardo has gone from never playing midweek to playing every game since Marti's left, we need to manage him and Aluko has shown enough (Southampton aside) that he can hold his own at this level.

 

 

I think he’s sort of hinted that he’s not really going to go with youth for the rest of the season which I probably agree with. It’s just the wrong environment at the moment for them. 

[FoxinNotts]

Hi Gary. I'm pretty sure you'll read this, and I know you're a busy man, so I'll keep it brief.

 

Jordan Ayew. This guy should only ever be used in one specific scenario:

 

- there are 10 or less minutes left

- we are winning

-  he is needed to replace a player, on the right hand side, up top, or at centre forward, who's energy is looking sapped.

 

All of the above must be in place before Ayew can enter the pitch.

 

Then, there must also be the understanding that the rest of the team plays it to his feet. Not over the top, and not to run on to.

 

His best ability is to receive the ball at his feet and draw the foul. Nothing more.

 

Thanks.

[Parker Pen]

I felt yesterday that Page contributed more than Ayew, Aribo and Mavididi in his seven minutes.  Says it all about those three doesn’t it!

[kingfox]

4 hours ago, AjcW said:

Feel like some of this will be the nature of the teams he's managed. You're not going to attract sparkling talent to Millwall and Oxford United are you, equally expectation when he was at both would have been stability and survival first and foremost. So naturally he's gravitated towards players he's had success with before, and players who know the Championship.

 

I've felt that a bit in terms of the style of play chat too. He's arguably never managed players with this level of ability before (yes I know most of them haven't ****ing shown any of it for a while ). It might well be that things are a bit more exciting and free flowing because he knows he has the players with the ability to do that. He might even be the person who reminds these players of their ability too!

 

If you bring James Mccarron into the picture too, his managers at Lommel were Steve Bould and Lee Johnson. So I don't think Gary will feel like he hasn't got a chance to stay on as there doesn't seem any sort of snobbery from Mccarron on the sort of manager he'd look to bring in.

It seems to be a constant theme throughout his career tbh, even at the likes of Derby and Stoke, his major signings at Stoke were the likes of Tom Ince, James McClean and Sam Clucas. Signings from abroad have very much been a rarity in his career. But for what we need right now, stability is key, he did exactly that at Millwall turning them from a 21st place finish to consistent play-off hopefuls. 
 

Some clips from podcasts that he’s done, he comes across as a manager who will have certain principles, but is very much flexible in terms of style with the players he has at his disposal. 
 

When it comes to McCarron, I’m cautiously optimistic. Some elements of his background make me excited, but the fact that he’s coming from Man City does concern me a little. If his vision is very Man City esque, possession at all costs type football, then I just don’t see Rowett as being his type of guy, regardless of how well he does. 
 

But if Rowett does well and keeps us up, while bringing a feel-good factor back, then I can see a lot of the fanbase clamouring for him to stay.

 

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Certainly not got much of a track record of bringing through young players much but hopefully that's circumstantial vs preference. Would be typical of us though to bring in a sporting director who favours a certain way and a manager the other 😂

Just looking throughout the squads in his career, they are consistently littered with players in their late 20’s or early 30’s. But as you said yourself, maybe it’s down to circumstances of academies for example. During his time at Birmingham, Demarai Gray was about the only young player coming through. During his time at Millwall, you had a couple come through the ranks, but he did sign a few younger players on permanents and loans during his time there. 
 

But as I said in my reply above, a lot will depend on McCarron’s vision for the club. If he has a Man City type vision, I just don’t see Rowett sticking around. 

[Pliskin]

I like him, but then again I like managers like Rowett. It’s clear they’re now being managed, he’s gone back to basics and is looking to rebuild the foundations. 
 

He’s the type of manager who’s able to work with what he’s got, there’s none of this “I haven’t got this so I can’t do this”, he works on systems that suit the players. There was a marked improvement on basic shape, defending in numbers and breaking at pace V Boro. The one frightening thing is, he’s exposed how unfit the group were under Marti. If you can’t collectively run at this level, you’re ****ed, so that’s something he’s really going to have to work on. 
 

He’s just a sensible football bloke. I like him.

[OntarioFox]

6 hours ago, kingfox said:

If he got the gig permanently, I’d be a bit sceptical of the type of squad he’d like to build, throughout his career he has loved Premier League and Championship proven players, but maybe that’s what we need right now to get us back on track.

 

A team of good honest professionals, with a sprinkling of stardust, just like Pearson built. 

And that's the difference - it's been years since we signed anyone with that blend. Even if the latter is proving reasonably useful in the bottom half of the championship, Steve Cooper deserves trying for war crimes for bringing in Ayew and De-Cordova Reid to fit that "experience" mould in the Premier League in 2024. We haven't really signed a single "league-proven" player with experience who didn't turn out to be a shit chancer or blatantly over-the-hill for years. I'm honestly struggling to pick one out more recently than Huth that you know was capable at the level and actually delivered. I guess Evans for a short while was decent when there was no real pressure on us as a club, but he was also injured half the time and didn't exactly galvinise the dressing room during that relegation. Then again, he had previous at West Brom where his main contribution during their own relegation was to steal a taxi in Spain with his mate. Great leader.

 

We just stopped doing our research properly once we won the league and Pearson's influence on the squad dynamic slowly but surely started to unravel. Character stopped mattering and we became a retirement home for "experienced" wastemen like Bertrand, Coady and Ayew. Once the leaders from the title winning squad left, it was over - the ones left over (Vardy and Albrighton) for all the love I had for them, were not those sorts of characters and were surrounded by increasingly lazy and checked-out players.

 

I'd be very interested to see who he identifies for what let's face it, will be either a League One campaign or a year of consolidation. Either way, the opportunity is there to build a new spine for this team, and I'd trust a guy who has spent most of his managerial career at this level to be able to identify the sorts of solid, hard-working if unglamorous players capable of doing it. 

Edited 25 February by OntarioFox

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Think its a bit early to dig him out for not playing the youth after 180 minutes, especially after starting Monga against Stoke.

I'm not digging him out after two games here, i'm saying his track record elsewhere over a sustained period has always favoured experience over youth but as I also said that might be circumstantial over preference. It would be completely at odds with where we are as a club in the short to medium term anyway next season.

 

Right now, he must do what he sees fit, but our experienced bench options have a shocking lack of pace and that concerns me. Page's energy immediately lifted the drop off we'd seen from Ayew and Aribo. He'll need to balance it.

[Joe90]

Early days but what a breath of fresh air he is compared to our last 2 managers!

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Nolucklcfc said:

I think he’s sort of hinted that he’s not really going to go with youth for the rest of the season which I probably agree with. It’s just the wrong environment at the moment for them. 

I agree from the start I wouldn't be, not unless they prove from cameos that they are in form and confident. But I hope he is brave enough to use them if needs be from the bench as our experienced options are a mix of pony and extremely slow. Badly need James and Ramsey back.

[Gamble92]

"Rowett" is quickly becoming the new Chris Woods isn't it 

[kingfox]

34 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

And that's the difference - it's been years since we signed anyone with that blend. Even if the latter is proving reasonably useful in the bottom half of the championship, Steve Cooper deserves trying for war crimes for bringing in Ayew and De-Cordova Reid to fit that "experience" mould in the Premier League in 2024. We haven't really signed a single "league-proven" player with experience who didn't turn out to be a shit chancer or blatantly over-the-hill for years. I'm honestly struggling to pick one out more recently than Huth that you know was capable at the level and actually delivered. I guess Evans for a short while was decent when there was no real pressure on us as a club, but he was also injured half the time and didn't exactly galvinise the dressing room during that relegation. Then again, he had previous at West Brom where his main contribution during their own relegation was to steal a taxi in Spain with his mate. Great leader.

 

We just stopped doing our research properly once we won the league and Pearson's influence on the squad dynamic slowly but surely started to unravel. Character stopped mattering and we became a retirement home for "experienced" wastemen like Bertrand, Coady and Ayew. Once the leaders from the title winning squad left, it was over - the ones left over (Vardy and Albrighton) for all the love I had for them, were not those sorts of characters and were surrounded by increasingly lazy and checked-out players.

 

I'd be very interested to see who he identifies for what let's face it, will be either a League One campaign or a year of consolidation. Either way, the opportunity is there to build a new spine for this team, and I'd trust a guy who has spent most of his managerial career at this level to be able to identify the sorts of solid, hard-working if unglamorous players capable of doing it. 

I’ve mentioned similar points recently, I think a big issue with our squad is our “leadership group”, we might have an experienced bunch, but they are nowhere near what you classify as leaders, some of which also have an unlikeable mentality. Throughout the Pearson years, we had the right blend of leaders and just good honest professionals, and take his second spell for example, he ditched shitty characters like Matt Mills and Jermaine Beckford. 
 

Whether Rowett stays on or not, getting our leadership group right for next season is crucial. I really don’t mind when experienced signings come through the door, but it’s more important than ever that they have the right mentality. As you said yourself, we’ve signed too many shit chancers in recent years. Just going back to the Pearson years, we already had Matt Oakley, then in came the likes of Bruno Berner, Chris Powell, Richie Wellens. Then in his second spell, the likes of Wes Morgan, Dean Hammond, Marcin Wasilewski, Kevin Phillips, Marc Albrighton, Danny Simpson, Rob Huth all came in. None that you’d classify as glamorous, but they were good honest reliable professionals. 
 

You can list many endless mistakes that have contributed to our downfall, but in terms of the way our squad has been assembled, we have lost some very key figures over the years, and we simply haven’t replaced them with similar. As you said yourself in the second paragraph, once the key figures from our title winning squad filtered out, our downfall began to start. What transpired in the 21/22 season into the 22/23 season was criminal from a recruitment perspective. Morgan, Fuchs and Schmeichel all left during that period, and we simply didn’t replace them with similar characters. While in more recent times, what Steve Cooper landed on us has set us back a few years. 
 

Whether Rowett or someone else, we need to get back to the times of hard-working unglamorous signings, that you know will give 100% for the badge, then sprinkle a little bit of stardust in the mix just like the Pearson years with Knockaert and Mahrez.

[fox_favourite]

2 hours ago, kingfox said:

I’ve mentioned similar points recently, I think a big issue with our squad is our “leadership group”, we might have an experienced bunch, but they are nowhere near what you classify as leaders, some of which also have an unlikeable mentality. Throughout the Pearson years, we had the right blend of leaders and just good honest professionals, and take his second spell for example, he ditched shitty characters like Matt Mills and Jermaine Beckford. 
 

Whether Rowett stays on or not, getting our leadership group right for next season is crucial. I really don’t mind when experienced signings come through the door, but it’s more important than ever that they have the right mentality. As you said yourself, we’ve signed too many shit chancers in recent years. Just going back to the Pearson years, we already had Matt Oakley, then in came the likes of Bruno Berner, Chris Powell, Richie Wellens. Then in his second spell, the likes of Wes Morgan, Dean Hammond, Marcin Wasilewski, Kevin Phillips, Marc Albrighton, Danny Simpson, Rob Huth all came in. None that you’d classify as glamorous, but they were good honest reliable professionals. 
 

You can list many endless mistakes that have contributed to our downfall, but in terms of the way our squad has been assembled, we have lost some very key figures over the years, and we simply haven’t replaced them with similar. As you said yourself in the second paragraph, once the key figures from our title winning squad filtered out, our downfall began to start. What transpired in the 21/22 season into the 22/23 season was criminal from a recruitment perspective. Morgan, Fuchs and Schmeichel all left during that period, and we simply didn’t replace them with similar characters. While in more recent times, what Steve Cooper landed on us has set us back a few years. 
 

Whether Rowett or someone else, we need to get back to the times of hard-working unglamorous signings, that you know will give 100% for the badge, then sprinkle a little bit of stardust in the mix just like the Pearson years with Knockaert and Mahrez.

Couldn't agree more. We lost our way searching for glory rather than sticking with the tried and tested Pearson mould of recruitment. Even the managers were not real leaders like Pearson was. 

 

Rowett seems like he would have been a Pearson type of player, not outstanding but a grafter, and he gives me vibes of a manager id back in the real world as well. Honest but want you to show respect and work hard.

 

Hopefully not a false dawn and not just a honeymoon period, but so far, he's brought hope and a small sense of positivity and proper leadership that was missing for so many years.