Gary Rowett

[Ashley]

2 hours ago, stevostadium said:

I 100% blame the players. None of them couldnt care less albeit 1 or 2.

Were doomed regardless of whose in charge.

Pep wouldnt keep this lot of spoilt brats up.

 

I did here over the weekend that hes not at all popular with the players.

Be a case of another manager being booted out due to player power.

 

I had high hopes for him but he hasnt really changed much, apart from putting Vesty up front for about 10 mins.

There again he hasnt a lot of options to  change.

 

He has always played fairly direct forward with a big target man.

 

Makes you question the appointment in teh first place, but then again, what do you expect from the powers that be.

Pep, with his tactics and game plans alone WOULD keep this group of players up. 

 

Enzo would too.

[Blue ROI]

1 minute ago, Ashley said:

Pep, with his tactics and game plans alone WOULD keep this group of players up. 

 

Enzo would too.

Pep has never managed a team that wasn't bankrolled to the hilt.

 

I'd reserve judgement on that until he is successful with a mid tier team 

[ParkerPen]

Just now, Blue ROI said:

Pep has never managed a team that wasn't bankrolled to the hilt.

 

I'd reserve judgement on that until he is successful with a mid tier team 

whilst I agree with the gist of what you are saying, Pep only would have needed to make us slightly less shit, which i think he would achieve.

[Ashley]

1 minute ago, Blue ROI said:

Pep has never managed a team that wasn't bankrolled to the hilt.

 

I'd reserve judgement on that until he is successful with a mid tier team 

That is a fair comment however his tactics and game plans alone would win games. 

 

He sees things others dont. Just look at the recent final against Arsenal going to a 424 false press and winning it high thats what won Man City the game. 

[nnfox]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

No matter what happens, Rowett should be nowhere near this club next season.  

I'm not sure I'd go that far.  We've seen around half a dozen managers fail to get a tune out of this bunch and this is the weakest squad we've had in all that time.  The squad will likely be even weaker next season regardless of which division we're in.  

 

I'm not sure the miracle manager that everyone wants is out there and within reach.  Maybe what we need is a bit of stability and consistency, whatever that looks like.

 

I'm not advocating that he should definitely stay, I'm just not taking the option off the table yet.

[HankMarvin]

4 minutes ago, Blue ROI said:

Pep has never managed a team that wasn't bankrolled to the hilt.

 

Does having nearly double the wage bill of 20 teams in the division count as bankrolled 

[Richmondfox]

9 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Pep, with his tactics and game plans alone WOULD keep this group of players up. 

 

Enzo would too.

Any manager with half an idea would be drilling in Fatawu and Mavadidi to pass the ball instead of trying to take everyone on.  They would drill players into offering supporting.

 

They both could manage it when KDH was running and slotting into areas. 

 

Yesterday a few times Ricardo actually ran forwards with the ball, he had to pass to Fatawu’s feet as he never runs into space, of course nothing came from it because he allows himself to be doubled up.

 

In the first half Mukasa I think got the ball and the slotted Daka in behind.  Mav was equal to him and could’ve ran ahead into space which was the obvious move but the first thing he did was run backwards. Our coaches haven’t addressed or seem to apply any tactics or fixes no matter how obvious. 

[LCFCJohn]

5 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Roy Hodgson already has more wins than him.

I actually find it quite impressive that Bristol City and Hodgson have won as many games this weekend as we have in 2026 

 

Edited 7 April by LCFCJohn

[HankMarvin]

6 minutes ago, nnfox said:

I'm not sure I'd go that far.  We've seen around half a dozen managers fail to get a tune out of this bunch and this is the weakest squad we've had in all

I’d argue 4, and two of those it could be argued that the squad was not good enough to survive the prem.

There is no way this team should be getting relegated in this division even with the 6 point deduction. 
For context Charlton have a squad worth about £25m and sit in 18th

[lcfc_forever]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

Players would have just thrown him under the bus and not perform like every manager since Enzo though.

 

nothings going to change till we get rid of some of these players 

So true, they’d already complained to the media about his training methods. 
 

Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the succession plan but Top yet again sided with the players. 

[Clever Fox]

28 minutes ago, Ashley said:

That is a fair comment however his tactics and game plans alone would win games. 

 

He sees things others dont. Just look at the recent final against Arsenal going to a 424 false press and winning it high thats what won Man City the game. 

That's why he's an elite Coach, like Enzo. 

They can change systems and tactics at will. Because they have the Players we Coached to adapt at will. 

 

[nnfox]

38 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

I’d argue 4, and two of those it could be argued that the squad was not good enough to survive the prem.

There is no way this team should be getting relegated in this division even with the 6 point deduction. 
For context Charlton have a squad worth about £25m and sit in 18th

I 100% agree that the squad should be nowhere near relegation.  We should have been good enough to stay in the Premier League.  My point is more that the players are under performing.  It's difficult to point the finger of blame at the manager because the last 6 months of Brendan Rodgers, followed by Dean Smith, Steve Cooper, RVN, Marti Cifuentes, Andy King and Gary Rowett - and even Maresca outside of his first 6 months have all struggled.  Say what you like about all of those managers but all eight of them are career football guys who know football, who see the players up close in training, speak to them in meetings, discuss tactics on an almost daily basis have they not been able to get this group of well paid, elite sportsmen to perform to anywhere near their collective potential.

 

I can only conclude that the problem is much deeper than it simply a manager issue.  Evidently changing the manager doesn't work.  It's hard to fathom how much further we can fall through on pitch activity, so we should be open to sticking GR whilst we try to stop the rot.

 

New managers are good for one thing at the moment - taking the heat off of the ownership and governance of the club.

[kingfox]

3 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

Regardless of where you are, you need a 'winner' charge. Rowett isn't a winner. He thinks he is a grafter and is suited to the underdog role. When in League 1, we need someone who can coach the academy kids to be winners at that level.

No managers that fit the ‘winner’ mould were taking the job back in February. Rowett was a realistic understandable option. 
 

But if we do drop, if Stockport fail to get promoted, Challinor is about the only one in that division that enamours me. If we can’t afford to get him out of Stockport, then who’s left? 
 

Wellens? Has he done enough at Leyton Orient to warrant the Leicester job? Imo he hasn’t. 
 

But you look at teams like Lincoln, Cardiff, Luton taking chances on managers who have stepped up from assistant/coach roles.
 

Knowing us, we’d probably just give it to Andy King.

3 hours ago, nnfox said:

It's an interesting question.  I do wonder if Rowett wasn't given a longer term contract because we need to see where we are.  It's a bit ironic really that the thing that will most likely get him the gig on a permanent basis would be relegation.  Honestly believe that if we stay up, Top and co will genuinely think we're on a promotion push and probably won't fancy Rowett at all.

 

Personally, if we stay up, I'd being looking at a three year project before challenging for promotion.  We have to stop the rot, have a mass clear out, save some money and stay in the division, before starting to add a bit of quality here and there.  I'm not sure Rowett is the man to build a squad to chase promotion, but I think he would keep us up, if he stayed.

I’ve asked this question on here before, if Rowett did keep us up, do you really want to build with Gary Rowett in charge? He set solid foundations at Millwall, but Alex Neil has come in and kicked them on. 
 

Rowett as a more long term option just doesn’t get the juices flowing. If we do stay up, I think both the club and fanbase would be happy if we looked elsewhere. 
 

But if we go down, as I said in my previous post, on paper, Gary Rowett in League 1 kind of makes sense, especially if you look at the type of managers that litter League 1. 
 

But regardless of what league we’re in, I just don’t think our board would see Rowett as a viable long term option, even more so with James McCarron coming in as Sporting Director.

Edited 7 April by kingfox

[Kitchandro]

2 hours ago, Ashley said:

That is a fair comment however his tactics and game plans alone would win games. 

 

He sees things others dont. Just look at the recent final against Arsenal going to a 424 false press and winning it high thats what won Man City the game. 

He also managed to lose finals he should have won by trying to be too clever, Chelsea in the Champions League final springs to mind.

 

Still, I do agree that he would keep this group up. Not because he’s an exceptional manager, but because he’s an above average one. Managers with personality and a tactical plan can get a few results out of an average squad and can change the atmosphere in the dressing room to do that.

 

There just aren’t many of them in employment because the sport is obsessed with hiring ex-players instead of thinkers and leaders.

Edited 7 April by Kitchandro

[Corky]

4 hours ago, Dan said:

Less wins than Hodgson. Crikey.

Hodgson has been a solid if unspectacular Premier League level coach. Rowett probably a mid ranking Championship one. I know Roy is a lot older but he's a lot wiser, too.

[whoareyaaa]

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

I’d argue 4, and two of those it could be argued that the squad was not good enough to survive the prem.

There is no way this team should be getting relegated in this division even with the 6 point deduction. 
For context Charlton have a squad worth about £25m and sit in 18th

Tottenham have a massive squad and are one point outside the relegation zone ?

[The boy Linacre]

I'm guessing he has a decent amount at stake here, but would you know???

He must be on a decent bonus to stay up AND a slight possibility he will become long term manager, at a club that is probably one of the biggest payers in the div.

 

Surely he's massively motivated BUT you wouldn't think so....We have had lots of opportunities. 

Thomas last minute far post Stoke, Patson peno miss and header miss.  We dominated Preston the last 30 mins but couldn't win, presume we dominated thhe last 15-20 yesterday, we'd have been near Blackburn now....

Its looking decidedly ropey..........

1 win since Jan 5th, not a good look??????

[HankMarvin]

21 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Tottenham have a massive squad and are one point outside the relegation zone ?

Yes let’s see what happens with Di Zerbi.

They also finished 17th last season. Remind me what happened to that manager in his next job?

Could there be a correlation between underperforming and shit managers? 

Edited 7 April by HankMarvin

[ronnup]

Missing out on Rohl was the nail in the coffin 

[whoareyaaa]

37 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Yes let’s see what happens with Di Zerbi.

They also finished 17th last season. Remind me what happened to that manager in his next job?

Could there be a correlation between underperforming and shit managers? 

You need a good team as well, I don’t think it solely relies on the manager although it is important of course, Nuno finished 7th with Forest and is now in a relegation fight with West Ham who finished 9th two seasons ago 

 

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

You need a good team as well, I don’t think it solely relies on the manager although it is important of course, Nuno finished 7th with Forest and is now in a relegation fight with West Ham who finished 9th two seasons ago 

 

No one is saying it’s solely on the manager, but the flip side is there are about 8 examples this season in this league of teams improving from worse league positions than we found ourself in at the time of appointing Rowet. It’s even happened with Oxford, who Rowet got fired from and has now got 2 wins in 19.

As stated before I just don’t think this is one of the worst squads in the league and let’s not kid ourselves when he went for the job if he thought he could win 1 game in approaching 10 why bother taking the role when other clubs were sniffing around him.

What ever way it’s spun the last 2 managerial appointments have been underwhelming and both those managers former clubs have improved under the replacements 

 

[funkyrobot]

2 hours ago, kingfox said:

No managers that fit the ‘winner’ mould were taking the job back in February. Rowett was a realistic understandable option. 
 

But if we do drop, if Stockport fail to get promoted, Challinor is about the only one in that division that enamours me. If we can’t afford to get him out of Stockport, then who’s left? 
 

Wellens? Has he done enough at Leyton Orient to warrant the Leicester job? Imo he hasn’t. 
 

But you look at teams like Lincoln, Cardiff, Luton taking chances on managers who have stepped up from assistant/coach roles.
 

Knowing us, we’d probably just give it to Andy King.

I’ve asked this question on here before, if Rowett did keep us up, do you really want to build with Gary Rowett in charge? He set solid foundations at Millwall, but Alex Neil has come in and kicked them on. 
 

Rowett as a more long term option just doesn’t get the juices flowing. If we do stay up, I think both the club and fanbase would be happy if we looked elsewhere. 
 

But if we go down, as I said in my previous post, on paper, Gary Rowett in League 1 kind of makes sense, especially if you look at the type of managers that litter League 1. 
 

But regardless of what league we’re in, I just don’t think our board would see Rowett as a viable long term option, even more so with James McCarron coming in as Sporting Director.

If we get relegated Rowett needs to be binned. If we somehow stay up Rowett needs to be binned.

[Chrysalis]

11 hours ago, deep blue said:

Those who say that the players take all the blame and the manager none should consider that there are managers of strong character who would be able to take difficult decisions and to instill confidence, effort and standards into the players.  Rowett isn't of that ilk, whereas MON, Pearson, and more recently Maresca, would be able to do that.  So Rowett has failed in his time here.

 

I guess the problem is that Top won't appoint a manager who has the balls to take his own decisions; therein lies our dilemma.

Those type of managers will reject us now, partially because they will be told they getting fired if specific players arent picked or we dont play a certain way.  If you want a strong willed manager, Top and Rudkin need to go as a prerequisite.

It contributed to Enzo leaving.

Edited 7 April by Chrysalis

[whoareyaaa]

6 hours ago, Ashley said:

Pep, with his tactics and game plans alone WOULD keep this group of players up. 

 

Enzo would too.

Enzo wouldn’t get this squad we currently have near the play offs though 

[oxtonfox]

He needs to bin his current approach of playing the so called experienced and constantly failing team he is sticking to. It must be now, not next week or week after when it will be too late.

Bring in Page, start Monga, try Hutchinson, hopefully James is fit alongside Skipp. I’d go to Vesty and Nelson, Thomas and Aluko at the back. Absolutely everything to lose but try it because we’re most likely to lose anyhow. 

Of course he won’t do this and he’ll stick to this failing formation. Another fraud. 

Edited 7 April by oxtonfox