QPR Saturday 14th March 3pm (H) Protest - Unite for change

[Paninistickers]

6 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Anti KP and Rudkin chants, nice and loud, 25 yards below them? Can't think of anything better. Whilst watching them squirm in their seats

I repeat the point. Relocating the protests to the west stand has two effects. 

 

Firstly: the optics, the media nearby and the KP machine suffering visible and audible eye to eye humiliation.

 

Secondly, the quiet people. The lurkers. If it becomes known that the west stand is a safe space to voice dissent, a few will quietly relocate there and wait for their moment. 

[CosbehFox]

6 hours ago, stevostadium said:

well not marching from F Bar an hour before kick off with a load of fans that only supported since 2016

 

[The Doctor]

13 hours ago, stevostadium said:

well not marching from F Bar an hour before kick off with a load of fans that only supported since 2016

 

 there's a bunch of us who were on the protest posting in here with join dates for the forum prior to our last league one season. are we not representative of the protestors or were we actually just visiting fans on here for 8+ years?

[LCFCJohn]

14 hours ago, stevostadium said:

well not marching from F Bar an hour before kick off with a load of fans that only supported since 2016

 

Ah the old KP line there….

[LCFCJohn]

16 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I haven't got all the answers, I'm afraid. But there are lessons from history..

 

City fans have always been reactionary. The O'Neil protest exploded after the infamous Sheffield United game. The Pleat/Shipman protests followed the umpteenth abysmal home defeat after a similarly small group had spent 18 months calling for change. 

 

Which means

 

1) protests work better AFTER a bad result. Not before..

 

2) you've gotta be consistent. And expect little reward 

 

3) the noisy minority need to move to the west stand, as they did in the main stand g block in the pleat days. Believe me, it makes it very very very uncomfortable for the club executive to have protesters at eye level. 

 

Based on that, next home game is suggest a peaceful 1 hour post match protest on the car park. If we win, there'll only be a 100 there. If we lose, a few more. 

 

Also, that home game, if the 200 active protesters all swap tickets to go in the west stand, it'll be very effective. I'd rather the money for the plane went to subsidising the ticket upgrade costs. 

 

Edit; one lone chant helps too. Nine of this Rudkin's a cvnt nonsense. Anybody my age will still vividly be able to hear the strains of 'pleeeeeeaaaat OUT' over and over 

I’d say there are some decent answers there so yeah fair and don’t put yourself down.

 

I think it’s an uphill battle whilst so many aren’t willing to join in. It may well escalate once the season ends, barring some unlikely turnaround avoiding relegation, when it gets confirmed. 
 

I agree to many are reactive. Is the non-spontaneous and pre-planned thing more representative of society now? Maybe. Pre-social media, it would have been much more likely to come together as you have said from your experience. With social media and over coverage of everything, comes a need to plan and over analyse things. 
 

Agreed about the language too. It needs to be inclusive for those who support the principle of the protest. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

15 hours ago, stevostadium said:

well not marching from F Bar an hour before kick off with a load of fans that only supported since 2016

 

Sickening ageism! I look forward to this being called out by the vocal anti ageism posters on this forum!

[old koppite]

17 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I haven't got all the answers, I'm afraid. But there are lessons from history..

 

City fans have always been reactionary. The O'Neil protest exploded after the infamous Sheffield United game. The Pleat/Shipman protests followed the umpteenth abysmal home defeat after a similarly small group had spent 18 months calling for change. 

 

Which means

 

1) protests work better AFTER a bad result. Not before..

 

2) you've gotta be consistent. And expect little reward 

 

3) the noisy minority need to move to the west stand, as they did in the main stand g block in the pleat days. Believe me, it makes it very very very uncomfortable for the club executive to have protesters at eye level. 

 

Based on that, next home game is suggest a peaceful 1 hour post match protest on the car park. If we win, there'll only be a 100 there. If we lose, a few more. 

 

Also, that home game, if the 200 active protesters all swap tickets to go in the west stand, it'll be very effective. I'd rather the money for the plane went to subsidising the ticket upgrade costs. 

 

Edit; one lone chant helps too. Nine of this Rudkin's a cvnt nonsense. Anybody my age will still vividly be able to hear the strains of 'pleeeeeeaaaat OUT' over and over 

Some good comments. Going further back, I remember “”Bloomfield out” chants and fans’ anger at that time. 
I don’t like the c word chant either and believe it damages the image of the protest. 

[Stadt]

At this stage I’m fed up of the protestors having to carefully stage manage the optics meanwhile the club do what they want and burn the institution down 

Edited 17 March by Stadt

[1884HF]

32 minutes ago, Stadt said:

At this stage I’m fed up of the protestors having to carefully stage manage the optics meanwhile the club do what they want and burn the institutions down 

Yeah it feels weird to be so careful when the clubs burning but we’ve got to carry on and be consistent - the main thing is to protest after games which I think will have the best impact

[1884HF]

17 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I largely agree. 

 

They were 50 - 100 lads - Baby Squad back then -;who camped in main stand and they alone made it very uncomfortable for the manager and owner until the rest of the crowd finally snapped. 

 

Work smart, not hard. Move to west stand. KP will hate it. The media will love it. And, tbh, encourage quieter fans to do that too. And those quiet ones can, and will, lurk. 

If there’s an organised effort to sit in the west stand to protest then I’m 100% down

[Tommy G]

31 minutes ago, 1884HF said:

If there’s an organised effort to sit in the west stand to protest then I’m 100% down

Standing up in front of the directors box with your backs to the game will have much more of an impact, unless that's what you mean - I'm reading it as you are after a sit in protest after the match, maybe I'm wrong. 

 

Have a look what West Ham did a few seasons back

[1884HF]

20 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Standing up in front of the directors box with your backs to the game will have much more of an impact, unless that's what you mean - I'm reading it as you are after a sit in protest after the match, maybe I'm wrong. 

 

Have a look what West Ham did a few seasons back

My bad on the phrasing I am down for a sit in but I was trying to say I would be up for vocal protest in the west stand 

[Voll Blau]

12 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I repeat the point. Relocating the protests to the west stand has two effects. 

 

Firstly: the optics, the media nearby and the KP machine suffering visible and audible eye to eye humiliation.

 

Secondly, the quiet people. The lurkers. If it becomes known that the west stand is a safe space to voice dissent, a few will quietly relocate there and wait for their moment. 

Ate you going to get involved in that then?

[Ian S]

17 hours ago, stevostadium said:

well not marching from F Bar an hour before kick off with a load of fans that only supported since 2016

 

What a ridiculous response, so basically you don’t have any better ideas, based on your reply possibly related to a low IQ.

Easy to sit and slag off those prepared to make an effort to highlight what a S***show our club is.

You just continue sitting on your hands whilst the club goes down the toilet.

I didn’t realise the protest was only for those supporting since 2016, I really shouldn’t have joined in as I attended my first match 57 years ago which is maybe why I care so much rather than your couldn’t give a toss attitude.

[Ian S]

Is there any contact details where constructive feedback re the protests could be sent directly?

[Katy]

If anything it’s the KPFC supporters who appear to have supported the club since 2016. Imagine defending a failing ownership over the actual football club you’re supposed to support because of some misguided loyalty to the original owners son. Some people are going to look absolutely ridiculous when all this is all over and it won’t be the people protesting. 

[Fox92]

18 hours ago, stevostadium said:

well not marching from F Bar an hour before kick off with a load of fans that only supported since 2016

 

Isn't that when King Power formed us?

[1884HF]

2 minutes ago, Katy said:

If anything it’s the KPFC supporters who appear to have supported the club since 2016. Imagine defending a failing ownership over the actual football club you’re supposed to support because of some misguided loyalty to the original owners son. Some people are going to look absolutely ridiculous when all this is all over and it won’t be the people protesting. 

Great point say it louder for those at the back !!

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

Ate you going to get involved in that then?

Yes. I did the march (through slightly gritted teeth, as I'm one of the quiet ones. If I felt uncomfortable, I can guarantee other quiet people did - but instead chose to not protest) 

 

I haven't been to a game in over a year. But will to join an organised protest in the west stand...and feel much more comfortable doing it there than outside the f bar and chanting the word 'cvnt' in the streets

 

I'm not having a pop at the protests -far from it

 ...I'm just describing how I suspect many of our  introvert fan base thinks/feels like I do.  

[Ted Maul]

I think there's a need for a single, simple, catchy and repetetive chant. Needs to be all-encompassing but non-inflammatory.

 

That's the key to getting a lot of people who are currently reluctant on board and involved to some extent. 

[LCFCJohn]

53 minutes ago, Katy said:

If anything it’s the KPFC supporters who appear to have supported the club since 2016. Imagine defending a failing ownership over the actual football club you’re supposed to support because of some misguided loyalty to the original owners son. Some people are going to look absolutely ridiculous when all this is all over and it won’t be the people protesting. 

I’ve been starting to say the same thing. 
 

The attendances jumped massively around. 2014. I remember attending some games in those Championship years and L1 with tiny crowds. Obviously cup games are always lower but only around 7k for the early FA cup games in the L1 season. All these people who came out the woodwork around 2014, where did they come from as they were clearly new supporters. 
 

Based on those of us with a hard view towards the ownership, it is clear we have seen the tough times. I can’t say I am aware of anyone who is against the ownership who  hasn’t been a much longer term supporter. 
 

You could say that the quickness to throw this only been around since 2016 line actually comes from insecurity of people who are venomously defending the ownership and fit that description themselves. I don’t doubt a lot of them are older people but if they weren’t actively supporting us through the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s, and came out the woodwork when it suited them, is their view really relevant?

[Silva Fox]

19 hours ago, stevostadium said:

well not marching from F Bar an hour before kick off with a load of fans that only supported since 2016

 

Nice try but I've been a supporter since 1974 and I was there!

[Trev3939]

19 hours ago, stevostadium said:

well not marching from F Bar an hour before kick off with a load of fans that only supported since 2016

 

As a younger person who attended the protest, so what? I went to my first game in 2010 when I was very young, but haven’t been going to games regularly until about 5 seasons ago when my family were more comfortable with me going regularly. Just because I’m not old enough to have been a STH last time we were in league one doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t have a voice about the future of the club, because for my generation of fans, the worry is that we won’t have a club for our children with these people in charge 

[Foxin_Mad]

Its got to be something different. The club don't give a flying fook if people March from somewhere to the ground and stand outside while they are munching on canapés and supping champagne, it doesn't bother them, it never will. Its got to be something that ruins their experience of the day, otherwise they are oblivious. I think the West Stand Idea, and upgrades into the padded seats would get them pissed off, in their zone. Knowing them they would ban people but the optics is bad. 

Edited 17 March by Foxin_Mad

[Katy]

4 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I’ve been starting to say the same thing. 
 

The attendances jumped massively around. 2014. I remember attending some games in those Championship years and L1 with tiny crowds. Obviously cup games are always lower but only around 7k for the early FA cup games in the L1 season. All these people who came out the woodwork around 2014, where did they come from as they were clearly new supporters. 
 

Based on those of us with a hard view towards the ownership, it is clear we have seen the tough times. I can’t say I am aware of anyone who is against the ownership who  hasn’t been a much longer term supporter. 
 

You could say that the quickness to throw this only been around since 2016 line actually comes from insecurity of people who are venomously defending the ownership and fit that description themselves. I don’t doubt a lot of them are older people but if they weren’t actively supporting us through the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s, and came out the woodwork when it suited them, is their view really relevant?

You’re quite right. There’s definitely a lot of projection and insecurity knocking about from this type of ‘supporter’ and we shouldn’t be letting them wind us up (easier said than done). I also think that a lot of us who were around when we went into administration before really, really don’t want to experience that again (I’m not talking about the younger fans that are getting vilified currently, they couldn’t help when they were born). We’re also clued up enough to realise that administration is a very real possibility if this current ownership continues as it is. It’s like trying to sweep up leaves during a storm with some people.