QPR Post Match ! Disgraceful

[Collymore]

1 minute ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

The goal was offside!

Thought Nelson got tripped? 

[BigGibbo]

1 hour ago, Donwebbio said:

How none of these 14 managers we have had haven't thought about playing 3 CB's at is strange. We probably don't have a good enough back 4 in truth so need something different. This formation takes away the worst part of Thomas' game with the ball in behind. Mav could be an option up top. Lascelles leadership qualites introducded. Worth a try:

 

Stol

Lascelles 

Nelson

Okoli

 

Thomas 

Winks

James

Skipp

Fatawu

 

Mukasa

Daka/Mavididi

 

That's a terrifying prospect given how bad we defend (look at Southampton once we added Lascelles), especially under the prior managers who couldn't organise a defence to save their lives. Rowett could potentially make it work if we had more time, but...

 

I'm pretty certain attack is our only form of defence currently.

[Lookatthebluesky]

14 hours ago, old koppite said:

That’s a dreadful and depressing stat for second half isn’t lt. I turned off as they scored their third; calmed down and watched again for the last 15 hoping we might have scored one back and were pushing for a draw but it’s so weak and slow. Why doesn’t somebody grab the game and just have a bloody good go. Why are Mavs and Abdul so greedy when we want them to lift their heads up and look for a progressive simple pass. 

But there is no progressive pass available. Midfielders bar James barely make a suitable run. BDCR gets blown over if it’s windy which leaves two options in Ayew & Daka. How depressing must it be for our wingers? We have to rely on them simply cutting in & hitting a ‘worldie’ but that’s not to say that they are both incredibly wasteful.

 

Yesterday was just depressing.

[supernuk]

Went yesterday for the first time in a while. Atmosphere was decent, players though were appalling. Little desire, void of ideas, defensive errors. This was against a very poor QPR side. 

Edited 15 March by supernuk

[old koppite]

10 minutes ago, supernuk said:

Went yesterday for the first time in a while. Atmosphere was decent, players though were appalling. Little desire, void of ideas, defence errors. This was against a very poor QPR side. 

Yep, another team of big athletic lumps who give it best effort all game 

[reynard]

1 hour ago, The Belgian said:

Let´s talk statistics...

In the 8 Ligue 1 games (including the one in which he was injured) Faes played for Monaco up to now they had 4 clean sheets : that´s 1 out of 2! In these 8 games they conceded 7 goals : that´s 0.875 per game! They had 6 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss : that´s 19 points out of 24!

So if Faes is a bombscare, what are Okoli and the widely praised Nelson? Nuclear bombscares? But hey, you got rid of Faes... although it might well be the other way round : seems like Faes has gotten rid of LCFC!

Well I'm glad he's doing ok. Hopefully they will buy him and we get some much needed money and a big wage earner off our books. Unfortunately he just didn't work out at Leicester. There seems to be an arrogance and attitude about him which annoyed our fan base and it was better to get him out of the club. The fact that all the other defenders are utterly useless doesn't mean that he would have been any better for us. The evidence over a good period would suggest not.

[MC Prussian]

1 hour ago, The Belgian said:

Let´s talk statistics...

In the 8 Ligue 1 games (including the one in which he was injured) Faes played for Monaco up to now they had 4 clean sheets : that´s 1 out of 2! In these 8 games they conceded 7 goals : that´s 0.875 per game! They had 6 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss : that´s 19 points out of 24!

So if Faes is a bombscare, what are Okoli and the widely praised Nelson? Nuclear bombscares? But hey, you got rid of Faes... although it might well be the other way round : seems like Faes has gotten rid of LCFC!

The difference is, neither Okoli nor Nelson cost us £20m (plus add-ons). And then there is the wage issue...

 

Besides, Ligue 1 is a mediocre league with mostly mediocre teams. Otherwise, PSG wouldn't be champions all the time. Just like Bayern in the Bundesliga.

Also, other French teams don't do well in European competitions any longer.

 

So Faes, who was a failure for us both in the Premier League and in the Championship (a total of 135 games), has played seven times for Monaco so far. That's fantastic – against powerhouses such as Brest, Angers and Nantes (a former shell of the team of times past).

And in his first game, against Lorient, he was utterly diabolical.

 

The guy is no defender. He wants to be a Belgian David Luiz, but fails miserably still.

I wish him well. Don''t want that arrogant twat anywhere near LCFC ever again.

Edited 15 March by MC Prussian

[StevieH]

Team for Watford. Begovic in goal if fit. Ricardo, Lascelles, Nelson, Thomas, Skipp, Winks, JJ, Mavididi, Fatawu and Daka. Drop Mukasa, Ayew, Stol and Okoli. Even though Nelson was poor yesterday can't have bombscare in the team. Mukasa is a luxury and doesn't appear up for the fight. Play JJ in 10 role as BDCR is useless.

 

[Tom12345]

Horrible mentality.

 

This is beyond embarrassing.

 

Disgraceful. The title of this thread is spot on.

[Raj]

2 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

Was it - i thought it must have been close at the time but cant find a replay that shows that? And if it was surely we would make more of a fuss about it?

Our leaders, captain to make a fuss?

Come on mate, like I've said numerous times we have the softest squad in our history.

Literally no leaders, no rogue players you are scared to come up against, no one you would call into battle.

 

 

[Chelmofox]

33 minutes ago, StevieH said:

Team for Watford. Begovic in goal if fit. Ricardo, Lascelles, Nelson, Thomas, Skipp, Winks, JJ, Mavididi, Fatawu and Daka. Drop Mukasa, Ayew, Stol and Okoli. Even though Nelson was poor yesterday can't have bombscare in the team. Mukasa is a luxury and doesn't appear up for the fight. Play JJ in 10 role as BDCR is useless.

 

The wingers are the ones who arent creating, and Fatawu remains constantly doubled up on and doesnt have to tool to break free from it. Goals have come from BDCR and Mukasa (although have been poor last few games).

 

Personally would sacrifice a winger at the start of a game.

[Gamble92]

2 hours ago, The Belgian said:

Let´s talk statistics...

In the 8 Ligue 1 games (including the one in which he was injured) Faes played for Monaco up to now they had 4 clean sheets : that´s 1 out of 2! In these 8 games they conceded 7 goals : that´s 0.875 per game! They had 6 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss : that´s 19 points out of 24!

So if Faes is a bombscare, what are Okoli and the widely praised Nelson? Nuclear bombscares? But hey, you got rid of Faes... although it might well be the other way round : seems like Faes has gotten rid of LCFC!

Imagine coming on a forum to toss one off over one of the biggest laughing stocks in England for the last few years. 

 

He's known as a shit haircut who got 2 own goals in a game and relegated his team twice. 

 

Move on.

[Wortho]

I think that if we brought back the back five from 2016 now they would be a thousand per cent better than this shower.

 

Only JJ and Mukasa are worth keeping next season, and they aren’t our players!!!

[gerblod]

17 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

How can so many of our players seem like competition winners and for so long now?

 

Although it doesn't seem like it, these are professional footballers who were spotted at a young age as having potential. Then, that early promise saw them progress to getting contracts, coached by qualified and experienced staff in what is supposed to be a 1st rate, state of the art training facility.

 

Several managers have now failed to get a tune out of them.

 

Something untoward is going on. That seems to be the best possible explanation. But what exactly?

 

Even incompetent incumbents like the chairman and DoF wouldn't screw-up this much - would they?

 

Thanks for throwing a bucket of objectivity over the massed hysteria going on after every capitulation by this squad. 

Someone stated on this thread that the club that was had ended with Vichai's death in 2018. We might have subsequently won two trophies but that was with a squad Puel had assembled. Rodgers, Top and Rudkin apparently forgot they had a support base to answer to. Top I understand - his Dad created King Power by sheer hard work and acumen. How many kids ever show any of that when they automatically take the reins. Top's just not worthy of the job. I suspect Rudkin whispers all the things to   Top that he wants to hear and nothing he should hear - but he'd be out of his very comfortable position if he was honest.

As for the players - they appear to be completely locked into a pattern which, even when they momentarily do well, drags them back into the quicksand. There's no confidence/belief in themselves or each other. They're not "cowards" nor are they "shite footballers" - no-one gets to play in the Premier or Championship who's 'crap'. The squad needs complete rebuilding. All the vitriol expressed towards all those managers post Rodgers was wasted breath - they weren't strong or wise enough to break the malaise hanging over the club.

We're too big a club to end up in the history books. But clubs with massive support and a proud heritage have ended up languishing in the Championship and League One.

Top is like the proverbial pig-in-shit. He needs to go somewhere a damn sight less comfortable. Until he goes (and Rudkin with him) the club will be tethered by incompetence. 

[Claridge]

46 minutes ago, Wortho said:

I think that if we brought back the back five from 2016 now they would be a thousand per cent better than this shower.

 

Only JJ and Mukasa are worth keeping next season, and they aren’t our players!!!

This back 5 would be amongst the worse we have ever had, not one of them gets in any other championship top 15 team

[hfaes]

6 hours ago, reynard said:

Well I'm glad he's doing ok. Hopefully they will buy him and we get some much needed money and a big wage earner off our books. Unfortunately he just didn't work out at Leicester. There seems to be an arrogance and attitude about him which annoyed our fan base and it was better to get him out of the club. The fact that all the other defenders are utterly useless doesn't mean that he would have been any better for us. The evidence over a good period would suggest not.

Arrogance, attitude????? But you are right, he fits better in MONACO than in leicester….Maybe your fanbase is from the other side of the spectrum…

 

 

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

7 hours ago, supernuk said:

Went yesterday for the first time in a while. Atmosphere was decent, players though were appalling. Little desire, void of ideas, defensive errors. This was against a very poor QPR side. 

I thought they were crap and not interested until they realised we were absolutely spineless 

[CrazyKopCorner]

It was a total disgrace - I couldn’t stomach it and left after their 2nd goal. 
 

These players should be ashamed but of course they’re not.

Edited 15 March by CrazyKopCorner

[filbertway]

9 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

What was all the arguments after the equaliser. We had some one booked in the dugout but I couldn’t see who it was?

Assume they were claiming offside. Unfortunately not seen an angle that shows their striker at the time the ball was played

[Wortho]

5 hours ago, Claridge said:

This back 5 would be amongst the worse we have ever had, not one of them gets in any other championship top 15 team

I think all the present back 5 are league one if that… could even be league two

[ian__marshall]

I was and still am livid after that performance yesterday. QPR were horrendous, never looked remotely close to scoring at any point during the game and yet we somehow gift wrapped them 3 goals.

 

What was very telling for me yesterday was the mental fragility of the side. 

 

There was a point in the 1st half where Choudhury misplaced a few passes and a couple of groans were made from the stands. He flung his arm out towards the fans gesturing his frustration at their reaction. He's supposed to be one of the hardened characters in the squad yet he somehow let it get to him. I'm not being funny, but when you start out in junior Sunday League there's always a dad you hear utter expletives if you misplace a pass. You'd think after more than 20 years playing the game week in week out that sort of thing would go in one ear and out the other. 

 

The other thing I noticed was something Taylor-Fletcher brought up on the recent BSLBs podcast about when Blackpool played Cardiff in the Playoff final and Blackpool equalised, and he said all the Cardiff players heads dropped and immediately they (Blackpool) knew they'd go on and win. Same thing happened yesterday when the 3rd went in. The QPR players were walking back to their half like they were 0-10 up, laughing and joking, with a proper swagger.

 

Even though there was plenty of time for us to get back into the game, I knew at that moment we'd lost. 

 

I thought Rowett talked a lot of sense after the game, his views were aligned with what I saw. He now needs to find 11 players who are going to dig in and fight like their lives depend on staying up. Sadly, aside from Skipp, JJ, maybe Lascelles (if he can ever stay fit) I don't think we have another players in the squad who he can rely on to do that. 

 

Edited 15 March by ian__marshall

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, ian__marshall said:

I was and still am livid after that performance yesterday. QPR were horrendous, never looked remotely close to scoring at any point during the game and yet we somehow gift wrapped them 3 goals.

 

What was very telling for me yesterday was the mental fragility of the side. 

 

There was a point in the 1st half where Choudhry misplaced a few passes a couple of groans were made from the stands and he flung his arm out towards the fans gesturing his frustration at the fans reaction. He's supposed to be one of the hardened characters in the squad yet he somehow let it get to him. I'm not being funny, but when you start out in junior Sunday League there's always a dad you hear utter expletives if you misplace a pass. You'd think after more than 20 years playing the game week in week out that sort of thing would go in one ear and out the other. 

 

The other thing I noticed was something Taylor-Fletcher brought up on the recent BSLBs podcast about when Blackpool played Cardiff in the Playoff final and Blackpool equalised, and he said all the Cardiff players heads dropped and immediately they (Blackpool) knew they'd go on and win. Same thing happened yesterday when the 3rd went in. The QPR players were walking back to their half like they were 0-10 up, laughing and joking, with a proper swagger.

 

Even though there was plenty of time for us to get back into the game, I knew at that moment we'd lost. 

 

I thought Rowett talked a lot of sense after the game, his views were aligned with what I saw. He now needs to find 11 players who are going to dig in and fight like their lives depend on staying up. Sadly, aside from Skipp, JJ, maybe Lascelles (if he can ever stay fit) I don't think we have another players in the squad who he can rely on to do that. 

QPR knew they were winning once they equalised.

 

Rowett talked naff all sense after the game. Just lots of nonsense about fight when he had picked Jordan Ayew, and that he could have made changes earlier but didn't. Was a terrible interview.

[Dan]

14 games played against teams from 15th down.

 

3 wins. One of them was at home to Sheffield Wednesday. The other two were Charlton away and West Brom at home - two genuinely fortunate wins.

 

We've been an absolute disgrace in those games.

[teblin]

7 minutes ago, Dan said:

14 games played against teams from 15th down.

 

3 wins. One of them was at home to Sheffield Wednesday. The other two were Charlton away and West Brom at home - two genuinely fortunate wins.

 

We've been an absolute disgrace in those games.

Sheff wed was pretty lucky too. We were naff.

[ian__marshall]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

QPR knew they were winning once they equalised.

 

Rowett talked naff all sense after the game. Just lots of nonsense about fight when he had picked Jordan Ayew, and that he could have made changes earlier but didn't. Was a terrible interview.

It's a game of opinions I guess, but I thought he was correct in his analysis.

 

Mentioned the energy levels and pressing dropped off shortly after the goal, which was correct.

 

Also talked about us trying to over play when we need to be more direct and put more crosses into the box. Again, I can't disagree with this, as we were always looking to score the perfect goal rather than play effective football.

 

He seemed correct with his assessment of all 3 goals, and without openly calling him out alluded to his disappointment with Nelson.

 

The comment regarding being able to trust players, suggested to me that he's given players the benefit of the doubt up until now and he feels some have let him down. Again can't disagree. 

 

That said I take your point, if he starts Ayew against Watford then he deserves everything coming to him.