LCFC 0-1 Swansea, post-match thread

[Raj]

3 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

It's so frustrating to watch slightly promising situations open up and we turn back, recycle, and let the opposition get back into shape.

Backwards and sideways everywhere we go!!!

[ClaphamFox]

6 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

They’ve turned around and said nice guy who isn’t on an egotistical power trip ? I’ve not read that. 
 

Saying he is “doing it for dad” is simplistic and naive. It’s control and ego at work here

Henry Winter said exactly this in his recent interview on the BSLB podcast. 

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I can still barely believe that goal we conceded and yet in the same way I absolutely can.  Too concede in that manor at any level is a disgrace but given our circumstances and the magnitude of our current circumstances for not one player to put their body on the line, make a tactical foul high up the pitch or make a lunge busting run to prevent the goal is an absolute disgrace. 
 

However it also highlights exactly why we are where we are, a complete lack of heart, desire, athleticism and most of all a complete lack of game management or intelligence. The players just don’t care enough and the management team are unable to raise and maintain the required standards and culture whether that is through their own failings or because they are not given the required backing and support from above. Either way that goal epitomised everything wrong at the club in one 17 second snapshot. 
 

Absolute disgrace and truly horrific. 

100%
 

If your players are committed to the cause that goal doesn’t happen. It was ****ing pathetic. Weak mentality mixed with not giving a ****. 
 

It’s now out of our hands, but the writing has been on the wall for months…. This group hasn’t had it in them for months, most of them just want to ride this out and leave in the summer…..

 

This is precisely the reason why you need a proper scouting set up, and you need a manager to make the final call, if they don’t like the character of the player, then they don’t sign, as Nigel used to do. 
 

What we are clearly doing, is paying agents to do the work for us, so we’re getting players for paychecks rather than actually wanting to be here, James is probably the only exception to that. 
 

All of this, everything we are seeing on the pitch, is a direct consequence of a negligent, clueless reckless boardroom, who do not have a clue what they’re doing.

[Vestan Pance]

13 hours ago, Qwerty said:

Maybe he will, maybe he won’t.   But if no one goes to games, then we know the club will be bankrupt. And it’s less likely to be bought by someone else if the fan base is non existent. 

Do you really think how many supporters turn up will make any difference to a club that is losing £200,000 per day? 

 

Any prospective buyer will be hoping the fans don't turn up as it helps their bargaining position. 

 

If this club is run properly there is a long history of the support turning up and filling the stadium. Any buyer will know that.

[Mickyblueeyes]

4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Henry Winter said exactly this in his recent interview on the BSLB podcast. 

Ok, let’s talk in two years. Yeah. Let’s pick this up in two years and see where we are, where we play and analyse further the actions of poor loyal son Top. 
 

 

[marketharboroughfox]

The sight of that player carrying the ball all the way up the pitch reminded me so much of the LOTR bit where Aragorn screams to Legolas 'take him down!' as an orc runs in to blow up the fortress.

 

If I have some time I'll make it into an image.

[ClaphamFox]

11 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Ok, let’s talk in two years. Yeah. Let’s pick this up in two years and see where we are, where we play and analyse further the actions of poor loyal son Top. 
 

 

I’m not suggesting that Top is any good or that he should continue as chairman. I just haven’t seen any evidence that he’s an evil villain rather than just a hapless nepo baby.

[MaidstoneFox]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I can still barely believe that goal we conceded and yet in the same way I absolutely can.  Too concede in that manor at any level is a disgrace but given our circumstances and the magnitude of our current circumstances for not one player to put their body on the line, make a tactical foul high up the pitch or make a lunge busting run to prevent the goal is an absolute disgrace. 
 

However it also highlights exactly why we are where we are, a complete lack of heart, desire, athleticism and most of all a complete lack of game management or intelligence. The players just don’t care enough and the management team are unable to raise and maintain the required standards and culture whether that is through their own failings or because they are not given the required backing and support from above. Either way that goal epitomised everything wrong at the club in one 17 second snapshot. 
 

Absolute disgrace and truly horrific. 

Yes, I think that goal will become symbolic of our whole decline, with some of the key agents involved and the wider sense of what they represent in the whole turgid story.

[Corky]

He wants to be front and centre of any success, at whatever level. We reach the League One Play-Off or League Trophy Final and he will be there, milking the ridiculous adulation and complete obliteration of standards.

[Pliskin]

9 hours ago, Qwerty said:

I just think if the fans cut off the ticket revenue, the club looks in much worse shape to a future buyer. 
 

But mainly I’m sick of being told by people on FoxesTalk that anyone who is still going to games is not a proper fan.  I’ve been taking my kids for years, and they still want to go, and why shouldn’t they?  They’re young adults now but they’ve still got all their old kits from when they were little, they were born in Leicester, they live in Leicester, they love football, they’re gutted at what’s happening but Leicester is still their team.  And they want to watch them on a Saturday afternoon.  I resent fans like my kids being blamed for the financial mess the club is in.  
 

There’s a man who sits behind us with his young son, who loves it, cheers the team, sings the songs, and is really enthusiastic.  They were in the season ticket ballot for 4 years before they got one.  Why shouldn’t they renew?  These are the future fans.  Why is their enthusiasm being blamed for Top’s mistakes?  All the “KPFC” rubbish.  Pitting fans against each other.  It’s pathetic. 
 

There are many people who should take some blame for the mess the club is in, but none of them are the fans who just pay money to watch their team play football.  If some fans have had enough and don’t want to go to matches any more, that’s fine.  But don’t be telling the rest of us that we’re traitors who are in some way responsible for the situation. 

To offer my opinion without swearing and losing my head.

 

 

No fan has a right to tell fans what hey can and can’t do, but, we can have frustrations with one another without resorting to turning on one another (I’ve seen example of abuse from both sides of the fence)….

 

But the frustration is, this club is clearly on its arse and is now in serious, serious trouble. Financially we’re a mess and match day revenue isn’t really going to help anyway, as financially we’re still operating like a Pl club, and we’re about to go into a division where the TV revenue is absolutely nothing, and this essentially is what we survive on. 
 

So in short regardless of how may of us turn up, we’re in trouble, and if we can’t somehow prevent ourselves from losing £50m as a standard operation, then it’s very, very likely we will go into administration. Simply because the club won’t be making enough money to cover its outgoings. 
 

For me, this is unachievable, because it would take drastic changes for example selling Seagrave, decisions on the female team, selling pretty much the entire first team and any academy players worth anything.

 

So essentially we will start the season with a skeleton squad, and possibly no manager in place, very much like the summer just gone. 
 

 

The frustration is, is you can support the lads all you want, but what are you supporting? Because this lot aren’t fit the wear the shirt. They’re giving up in front of our eyes….. everything is a result of our negligent boardroom, who have frankly achieved the impossible, gaining the riches of winning the PL, and not even being able to have the basic business mindset to achieve stability….. couldn’t even do that.

 

 

Their negligence has now left the club in a perilous situation. No club has ever entered league 1 with our overheads…… and there just isn’t the income to support that at that level. 
 

So, in short we’ve left ourselves so financially vulnerable, and it’s entirely the boards fault, they’ve let us down, they’ve ruined our football club, they’ve put us at risk of potentially going bust. 
 

The question is, why aren’t more fans prepared to fight for their club? Rather than just to games, support the lads and potentially clap them int administration? 
 

I love Leicester city, they’ve consumed more of my life than they probably should have, but my efforts going forward are to fight for the survival of my club, I want Leicester city of 1884 to continue, I don’t want a phoenix club to rise from a previous club, o want this football club to continue, so we as fans can pass it down through the generations and so we can compete again…..
 

Next season would have been 30 years of having a season ticket for me, so I can’t be accused of not being a “fan” but I’ve finally had enough, enough of watching my club be buried before it’s time, and my efforts will be to help be part of a collective that forces king power out of the club, and if it means administration opening a gateway to new ownership, then so be it. 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

If he was an “egotistical little **** who loves power” I would expect there to be more evidence of that by now than a ‘vibe’ during a victory parade a couple of years ago. The unattractive personality traits of other football chairman such as Chansiri etc have been well documented, but you never hear those things about Top.

 

We’re in a dire situation and badly need a fresh start with new owners. Projecting ugly character traits onto Top may help some people to feel better, but it doesn’t bring us closer to the truth or provide any insight into how we get out of this mess. 

Dunno. He was part of an ownership group what made hundreds of staff missed their expected Xmas pay with 24 hours notice 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Henry Winter said exactly this in his recent interview on the BSLB podcast. 

No one wants access cutting off. Believe this or not but a number of journos writing critical pieces have been given a phone call afterwards. Talksport been told off about questions at pre match interviews too

[Qwerty]

49 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

To offer my opinion without swearing and losing my head.

 

 

No fan has a right to tell fans what hey can and can’t do, but, we can have frustrations with one another without resorting to turning on one another (I’ve seen example of abuse from both sides of the fence)….

 

But the frustration is, this club is clearly on its arse and is now in serious, serious trouble. Financially we’re a mess and match day revenue isn’t really going to help anyway, as financially we’re still operating like a Pl club, and we’re about to go into a division where the TV revenue is absolutely nothing, and this essentially is what we survive on. 
 

So in short regardless of how may of us turn up, we’re in trouble, and if we can’t somehow prevent ourselves from losing £50m as a standard operation, then it’s very, very likely we will go into administration. Simply because the club won’t be making enough money to cover its outgoings. 
 

For me, this is unachievable, because it would take drastic changes for example selling Seagrave, decisions on the female team, selling pretty much the entire first team and any academy players worth anything.

 

So essentially we will start the season with a skeleton squad, and possibly no manager in place, very much like the summer just gone. 
 

 

The frustration is, is you can support the lads all you want, but what are you supporting? Because this lot aren’t fit the wear the shirt. They’re giving up in front of our eyes….. everything is a result of our negligent boardroom, who have frankly achieved the impossible, gaining the riches of winning the PL, and not even being able to have the basic business mindset to achieve stability….. couldn’t even do that.

 

 

Their negligence has now left the club in a perilous situation. No club has ever entered league 1 with our overheads…… and there just isn’t the income to support that at that level. 
 

So, in short we’ve left ourselves so financially vulnerable, and it’s entirely the boards fault, they’ve let us down, they’ve ruined our football club, they’ve put us at risk of potentially going bust. 
 

The question is, why aren’t more fans prepared to fight for their club? Rather than just to games, support the lads and potentially clap them int administration? 
 

I love Leicester city, they’ve consumed more of my life than they probably should have, but my efforts going forward are to fight for the survival of my club, I want Leicester city of 1884 to continue, I don’t want a phoenix club to rise from a previous club, o want this football club to continue, so we as fans can pass it down through the generations and so we can compete again…..
 

Next season would have been 30 years of having a season ticket for me, so I can’t be accused of not being a “fan” but I’ve finally had enough, enough of watching my club be buried before it’s time, and my efforts will be to help be part of a collective that forces king power out of the club, and if it means administration opening a gateway to new ownership, then so be it. 

That’s your choice.  Whether it works or not, it’s your choice.  What I object to is the tone of this and other threads, addressing the fans who’ve renewed their season tickets, essentially saying “there you are, we’re getting relegated, and it’s your fault. I hope you’re happy now you’ve destroyed the club”.   
 

And what does “fighting for the club” even mean?   Simply not going to games any more, and swearing allegiance to Harborough Town instead?  
 

It’s interesting that you’ve been going to games for 30 years, through some fairly dark times.  Surely your own rules should dictate that you stopped going when we last faced administration?   Just because you’ve finally reached the end of your tether, after 30 years, it doesn’t mean everyone else has.
 

No one is happy with how things are being run, and everyone wants Top to sell.  But we all approach it in different ways, and in-fighting between fans doesn’t help anyone. 

Edited 12 April by Qwerty

[reynard]

7 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

That’s your choice.  Whether it works or not, it’s your choice.  What I object to is the tone of this and other threads, addressing the fans who’ve renewed their season tickets, essentially saying “there you are, we’re getting relegated, and it’s your fault. I hope you’re happy now you’ve destroyed the club”.   
 

And what does “fighting for the club” even mean?   Simply not going to games any more, and swearing allegiance to Harborough Town instead?  
 

It’s interesting that you’ve been going to games for 30 years, through some fairly dark times.  Surely your own rules should dictate that you stopped going when we last faced administration?   Just because you’ve finally reached the end of your tether, after 30 years, it doesn’t mean everyone else has.
 

No one is happy with how things are being run, and everyone wants Top to sell.  But we all approach it in different ways, and in-fighting between fans doesn’t help anyone. 

It really isn't the same though. Administration last time was largely brought on by the collapse of the TV deal and didn't follow an unprecedented decade of success with record revenue streams. If we go into administration again, and that isn't certain, it will be down to poor ownership and gross financial mismanagement of the club.

 

Of course fans going to watch the matches and support the club is absolutely fine and I don't agree with this divisive blame game that appears to be going on as it doesn't really achieve anything in the end.

 

I would, however, challenge those that do go to search within themselves as to whether they are happy with the way things are going and being run. If they are not, and you, yourself say you are not, then think about how you can make your feelings known. You say "No one is happy with how things are being run, and everyone wants Top to sell."   My challenge would be to you and all those who think in a similar way to get together to try and make those changes happen.

Right now we seem to have a core of fans who appear, in public, at least, to be oblivious to our situation.  In the words of Helen Keller

 

He who is content with what has been done is an obstacle in the path of progress.

[Foxmeister]

Vitriol is much easier to take than ridicule, more chants taking the piss out of JR are the order of the day.

[Foxdiamond]

11 hours ago, filbertway said:

Again, how did every single highlight start with a Leicester attack and we lost

 

Mental.  This team may be the the most mentally feeble group of men ever. From positions of dominance they still find a way to submit

Yep. Feeble, brainless and unfit.

[Freddy]

2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

I’m not suggesting that Top is any good or that he should continue as chairman. I just haven’t seen any evidence that he’s an evil villain rather than just a hapless nepo baby.

Tops not evil maybe he's entitled enough to be shielded from the harshness of some people's reality. Nepo baby. But don't for one minute think that his life will change if LCFC go under. He'll always have enough to not bother changing. He'll always have enough to not really care like we do. Chanting that Tops not here he's playing polo will make him think 'you've either got or you ain't and I have'. 

[jayfox26]

Our last 3 games: 

For

 

Shots 71 

On target 26

Goals 3

Points 2

XG average 2

 

Against

 

Shots 22

On target 5

Goals 4

XG average 0.75

 

 

Grim 

[Mickyblueeyes]

3 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

I’m not suggesting that Top is any good or that he should continue as chairman. I just haven’t seen any evidence that he’s an evil villain rather than just a hapless nepo baby.

Ok, let’s look at one point. 
 

New corporate structure. New ceo. Who does the chief football officer report into ? Chairman.

 

Who does the new football director report into ? The Football officer. 
 

Who does the CFO report into ? Oh sorry, there isn’t one. 
 

what happens next season. Glover being useless gets a call - buy this player matey - I need some commission. Sure

 

Glover calls DOF.

 

DOF calls Chief football officer

 

Twat officer calls twat chairman - no answer
 

The pure corporate structure is ineffective so one man can maintain his control. That control is ego - it isn’t for legacy. It isn’t for the good of the business. It isn’t because it’s effective. 
 

Meaning well - sure. He wants the club to do well. But he wants it to well on his say so only. His control. His ego. 

[whoareyaaa]

3 hours ago, marketharboroughfox said:

The sight of that player carrying the ball all the way up the pitch reminded me so much of the LOTR bit where Aragorn screams to Legolas 'take him down!' as an orc runs in to blow up the fortress.

 

If I have some time I'll make it into an image.

Reminded me of that Deeny goal

[Corky]

2 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

No one wants access cutting off. Believe this or not but a number of journos writing critical pieces have been given a phone call afterwards. Talksport been told off about questions at pre match interviews too

You can stop people asking tough questions but you cannot ban the cameras from showing matches or stop the League table from being printed.

 

That is their biggest problem currently.

[Guy]

15 hours ago, Qwerty said:

Yes but he’s not going to sell because ticket sales drop for one season.  Cutting off the money to the club will just make the club poorer.  Time and again we’ve seen greedy owners outstay their welcome, till the club goes into administration.  How would that be a good thing?  Like Sheffield Wednesday - they’ve got rid of Chansiri but at the cost of a likely double relegation. 

We'll probably have that double relegation now and yet Top/Rudkin will still be here though!!

[Corky]

The dreadful PA man talking this up as a big game. Technically correct but for all the wrong reasons. Surviving in this division should be viewed as an embarrassing season, not an achievement. Anything below top six should be seen as a failure.

[Qwerty]

1 hour ago, reynard said:

It really isn't the same though. Administration last time was largely brought on by the collapse of the TV deal and didn't follow an unprecedented decade of success with record revenue streams. If we go into administration again, and that isn't certain, it will be down to poor ownership and gross financial mismanagement of the club.

 

Of course fans going to watch the matches and support the club is absolutely fine and I don't agree with this divisive blame game that appears to be going on as it doesn't really achieve anything in the end.

 

I would, however, challenge those that do go to search within themselves as to whether they are happy with the way things are going and being run. If they are not, and you, yourself say you are not, then think about how you can make your feelings known. You say "No one is happy with how things are being run, and everyone wants Top to sell."   My challenge would be to you and all those who think in a similar way to get together to try and make those changes happen.

Right now we seem to have a core of fans who appear, in public, at least, to be oblivious to our situation.  In the words of Helen Keller

 

He who is content with what has been done is an obstacle in the path of progress.

I honestly don’t know how change can be made to happen.  I was brought up by hippies, so I’ve had a lifetime of campaigns, and I was taken on CND marches when I was barely walking!  But campaigning against massive corporates is a whole different thing.  Maybe stopping attending would help, but I just don’t believe it, and it would kind of defeat the object, because then we wouldn’t be able to watch our team play anyway. 
 

People who’ve been STHs for many decades may feel ready to do something else on Saturdays, so the protest feels like a good idea to them.  But plenty of young people aren’t at that point, and they shouldn’t be made to feel guilty for it. 
 

I’ll happily join a march, sign a letter, email the club, boo the players, chant against the board - but I’m not going to boycott games while me and my family still want to watch football.   And I’ve spend more hours than I can count watching my kids play youth and senior grassroots football, so the likes of Harborough Town and Coalville hold no appeal for me!! 

[Pliskin]

3 hours ago, Qwerty said:

That’s your choice.  Whether it works or not, it’s your choice.  What I object to is the tone of this and other threads, addressing the fans who’ve renewed their season tickets, essentially saying “there you are, we’re getting relegated, and it’s your fault. I hope you’re happy now you’ve destroyed the club”.   
 

And what does “fighting for the club” even mean?   Simply not going to games any more, and swearing allegiance to Harborough Town instead?  
 

It’s interesting that you’ve been going to games for 30 years, through some fairly dark times.  Surely your own rules should dictate that you stopped going when we last faced administration?   Just because you’ve finally reached the end of your tether, after 30 years, it doesn’t mean everyone else has.
 

No one is happy with how things are being run, and everyone wants Top to sell.  But we all approach it in different ways, and in-fighting between fans doesn’t help anyone. 

I agree, on fighting doesn’t help. 
 

An example you gave earlier is literally like the chap who is in front of me, he is very similar, but it’s clear he views football very differently to I do, which is fine, you need all different types of fans to build a community. But, it irritates me how he doesn’t see the bigger picture, and he feels the need to but in on all of our conversations about the clubs current predicament and will defend king power until the bitter end (I haven’t been since Boxing Day so this was a while ago). 
 

I’ve had enough, I was at Stoke away, the day we were relegated to league one last time, and yes I was also in the stands when we fell into administration under Adams (albeit a teenager) but I still vividly remember those years. 
 

This is different though, and it is no matter how people try to say it isn’t… in that era of the club, we were a modest football club, in terms of our revenue size, infrastructure and output as a club. So it was more likely for us to fall upon hard times in that era of the club, simply because we weren’t a particularly large club in terms of finances, we had success over the years, that out is on a par with most clubs of a similar fanbase. 
 

However, fast forward to the current era, there’s no denying King Power financially elevated the club to a new level anyway, but winning the premier league took us to a whole new level, access to financial power the club had never previously seen, a club our size had ever previously seen, we were thrust into an elite category in one season, and with this benefitted from the financial gain from European competition and being in the cameras eye in every nation. 
 

It’s estimated that over half a billion £ has passed through the club in this last decade, that’s more than any club outside of the PL elite….. 

 

This should have seen us comfortably achieve stability. At the very least mid table PL security. We should on a par with the likes on Everton, Brentford and Bournemouth etc…..

 

I can accept periods of us being poor, its natural, but our poor in this era should be as described above, not what we are currently seeing, because what we are currently seeing is a catastrophic decline, one that is completely down to our boardroom. 
 
I don’t just love Leicester city, I’m a huge fan of football, and I can’t accept the situation we’re in, not when we shouldn’t be in…. 
 

So I’ve cancelled my ST, because I don’t want King Power to have another penny, I’d rather protest outside the stadium than support that ensemble of over paid (highest wages in the league) of utter trash. 
 

We will get another buyer, of course we would, we’ve won the PL in an era of billionaire football franchises, so for any potential buyer it will look fantastic on the cover of their own business…. But if the only way for this is administration, a short term pain for a long term game, I’ll accept it, and I will, with like minded people, push the club towards it. 
 

There’s no recovering under this regime, because season upon season they never learn, and make the same mistakes time and time again.

 

If people want to carry on going cheering and getting behind the team that’s perfectly fine and acceptable, and I’m perfectly at liberty to ask why? 
 

Likewise, you’re untitled to be frustrated with me, and ask me why I’m an acting like this, question my position as a fan, and disagree with me. Its life. 
 

But, the one fact that’s apparent on either side of the fence, is the club is heading one way, regardless…..

Edited 12 April by Pliskin