Maresca to Man City

[Mike the Metal Ed]

15 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said:

Nope...  It was just boring mate.

 

Also 56 passes in our own half, gradually making it to their 18 Yard box to turn around l pass back and start build up play again is hardly attacking football.

 

I hate Rodgers with a burning passion, but his brand of sabotage... Sorry, sorry football was more attacking and he to had a tendency to like his teams to pi$$ around with it at the back.

Not my problem if you can't see the difference between build up with intent Vs watching Soyuncu and Amartey pass it between themselves on the edge of the 18 yard box. That's your disorder. 

[cityfanlee23]

11 minutes ago, Mike the Metal Ed said:

Not my problem if you can't see the difference between build up with intent Vs watching Soyuncu and Amartey pass it between themselves on the edge of the 18 yard box. That's your disorder. 

The point being many people felt that line was too often blurred especially with the squad we had. Chelsea fans were also divided on the same issue. 

[Guppys Love Child]

30 minutes ago, Mike the Metal Ed said:

Not my problem if you can't see the difference between build up with intent Vs watching Soyuncu and Amartey pass it between themselves on the edge of the 18 yard box. That's your disorder. 

Oh well,

 

I'll just go and join quite a few others with the same view and disorder as me then.

 

But it doesn't detract from the fact that a large number of posters here on Foxestalk, regardless of their limitations on not picking up on the nuances of High Brow football and the technical intracasies of "build up with intent" all still class whatever they are physically watching as coma inducing and boring as sh1t, regardless of how it's badged.

 

 

Edited 19 May by Guppys Love Child

[Richmondfox]

8 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

The point being many people felt that line was too often blurred especially with the squad we had. Chelsea fans were also divided on the same issue. 

The walk to the half way line, pass sideways and back for no reason,  ignoring the quick counter attack and allowing the opposition to camp before attempting anything. 

 

My barber is a Chelsea fan and he said exactly what I told him would happen.  When it works it’s great, but you have to be bored senseless until it happens. 

[JimJams]

It's odd to me that people see things to such extremes.  I thought Enzo football was alright sometimes, good others and frustrating (more than boring) at other times.  As the season went on and the tactic of Vesty passing into Winks to draw someone out of position was such a leaned on tool that sides just stopped following on and didn't step out of their lines meant finding holes got harder and a lack of fullbacks on the overlap meant the games started to really stagnate.  The FB's having no forward impetus was the most frustrating thing for me.  I get that he played the inversion but when that struggled it'd have been nice to switch it up, but that's his philosophy I guess.

[cityfanlee23]

3 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

The walk to the half way line, pass sideways and back for no reason,  ignoring the quick counter attack and allowing the opposition to camp before attempting anything. 

 

My barber is a Chelsea fan and he said exactly what I told him would happen.  When it works it’s great, but you have to be bored senseless until it happens. 

Yep, I actually think he will do well at City though, I said when he was here that he really needs an Elite team to make his system work well, for us at times it just felt rigid, I completely got the idea of why we would play the ball sideways and backwards to create pockets and to move the opposition around and tire them out, but we often did it so slowly that opposition midfielders were walking around the pitch taking up new positions. The endless horse shoe where it went from Mavididi on the left wing, backwards and across the back line before reaching Fatawu, who would then horse shoe it back, it just made the inevitable low block even harder to break down.

One thing Maresca did spot though that we have dramatically failed to do since, is create constant space for the wingers. Both Mavididi and Fatawu thrived because Marescas system created both overlaps and underlaps for the wingers. Winks was also in his element controlling the tempo with short passes. 

You know me though, I'm a glutton for the Red Bull/Rangnick/Klopp style systems so I was always biased against Enzo/Pep, I just find it really tiresome, it's interesting to see the chess pieces being played, but often it just felt like control for the sake of control. Thought that we were far more entertaining towards the end of the season where we played far more directly. 
The stats don't like, we scored a lot of goals and conceded few, but for the majority of the game I just couldn't get into it. 

[Guppys Love Child]

2 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Yep, I actually think he will do well at City though, I said when he was here that he really needs an Elite team to make his system work well, for us at times it just felt rigid, I completely got the idea of why we would play the ball sideways and backwards to create pockets and to move the opposition around and tire them out, but we often did it so slowly that opposition midfielders were walking around the pitch taking up new positions. The endless horse shoe where it went from Mavididi on the left wing, backwards and across the back line before reaching Fatawu, who would then horse shoe it back, it just made the inevitable low block even harder to break down.

One thing Maresca did spot though that we have dramatically failed to do since, is create constant space for the wingers. Both Mavididi and Fatawu thrived because Marescas system created both overlaps and underlaps for the wingers. Winks was also in his element controlling the tempo with short passes. 

You know me though, I'm a glutton for the Red Bull/Rangnick/Klopp style systems so I was always biased against Enzo/Pep, I just find it really tiresome, it's interesting to see the chess pieces being played, but often it just felt like control for the sake of control. Thought that we were far more entertaining towards the end of the season where we played far more directly. 
The stats don't like, we scored a lot of goals and conceded few, but for the majority of the game I just couldn't get into it. 

I'm the same.

 

For me, apart for the obvious reason for playing the match, to win,  3 points, next round of a cup etc. I also watch football to be entertained, and even though I did understand the reasons and mechanics of Enzoball, it was simply "not my cup of tea".

Much in the same way as I find cricket about as exciting as weeding the patio with a spoon.

 No doubt cricket is a skillfully sport, but god it's ponderous and dull, 
Ice hockey on the other hand,  I'm quite happy to watch.

[Richmondfox]

50 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Yep, I actually think he will do well at City though, I said when he was here that he really needs an Elite team to make his system work well, for us at times it just felt rigid, I completely got the idea of why we would play the ball sideways and backwards to create pockets and to move the opposition around and tire them out, but we often did it so slowly that opposition midfielders were walking around the pitch taking up new positions. The endless horse shoe where it went from Mavididi on the left wing, backwards and across the back line before reaching Fatawu, who would then horse shoe it back, it just made the inevitable low block even harder to break down.

One thing Maresca did spot though that we have dramatically failed to do since, is create constant space for the wingers. Both Mavididi and Fatawu thrived because Marescas system created both overlaps and underlaps for the wingers. Winks was also in his element controlling the tempo with short passes. 

You know me though, I'm a glutton for the Red Bull/Rangnick/Klopp style systems so I was always biased against Enzo/Pep, I just find it really tiresome, it's interesting to see the chess pieces being played, but often it just felt like control for the sake of control. Thought that we were far more entertaining towards the end of the season where we played far more directly. 
The stats don't like, we scored a lot of goals and conceded few, but for the majority of the game I just couldn't get into it. 

You’re right, elite players will have the confidence and ability to make the pass. We missed KDH but the main thing was a manager with actual tactics and fix mistakes. Fatawu and Mavadidi suddenly became lazy and thick, forgetting all the things they did well and never corrected by the last two clowns. 
 

I’m dreading another season of JV walking to the halfway line, fake pass, roll back and then getting pressed and countered. Didn’t work in the prem or champ, maybe in L1. 

Edited 19 May by Richmondfox

[JimJams]

5 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

I’m dreading another season of JV 

You could have just left it there.

[Chelmofox]

52 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

I’m dreading another season of JV walking to the halfway line, fake pass, roll back and then getting pressed and countered. Didn’t work in the prem or champ, maybe in L1. 

I’m also dreading this happening, and then most of our fans thinking he is our best defender. 

[Gazza M]

Right said Fred hitting the big time again. 

[FoxTimmy2]

Good news is that this means Pep's available.

 

I could see him getting a tune out of Vesty and Ayew.

[robski]

14 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Very difficult to replace Pep, I don't think anyone can do that, but I can't see them being so dominant under Maresca. 

I agree and wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t go according to plan

[Number 6]

His methods are good at ensuring his team beats teams they should beat (the wobble for us aside). At Man City he will have the best resources and so I can see them certainly finishing top 2. 

 

His record against teams around his or better was quite poor though I thought. We took 2 points from Leeds and Ipswich. That could well be the difference between a title or not and I'm not sure I envisage him getting a better tune out of this Man City squad than Pep.

[Tom12345]

18 hours ago, MonarchFox said:

Vincent Kompany has just bought a 3.4m house in the area, someone I know is refurbing it at the moment.  There's a good chance it's him unless his family have stayed in the area

Good one.

 

Guardiola once said Kompany was going to be the best manager before his success at Bayern Munich. He played at Man City, was captain, and proven success at the highest level. Kompany would seem to be their preferred choice.

[Tom12345]

20 hours ago, Pita said:

The way the club let him down   Doubt it 

Why did the club let him down.

 

We took a chance on him and gave him the massive break that he needed.

 

He dumped us the first moment he could, at the beginning of our season back in PL, and caused massive chaos for us that ultimately led us to a season of not knowing our identity, the players in revote, disrupting preparations etc. If anything, he owed us. However, I consider him taking KDB from us as his way of saying thanks by giving us the millions the club needed at the time, though in hindsight that might have been all for himself before he saw the depth of the Chelsea squad (as he never really used KDB in the end).

[Fox92]

14 hours ago, Mike the Metal Ed said:

We played far better and more attacking football under Maresca than anyone including Rodgers since 2020. I think honestly some people remember it as being worse than it was.

No way was it better than Rodgers first two seasons. Also consider Rodgers was in the top flight and under Maresca it was the Championship (in which we had the best squad in the division).

[Samilktray]

I enjoyed watching us for the most part when Enzo was here, it wasnt always box office football but I'm not sure many clubs of our stature will play attractive football all the time anyway

[AKCJ]

15 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

This obsession with Maresca is somewhat... worrying.

 

He's no Nigel Pearson. And no wizard, either.

I wouldn't say anyone is obsessed with him but you can't blame Leicester fans for wanting the best for him considering he was responsible for the only genuinely enjoyable season we've had since winning the FA Cup.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

15 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

This obsession with Maresca is somewhat... worrying.

 

He's no Nigel Pearson. And no wizard, either.

 

People are chatting about a very recent former manager taking over at a hugely successful club – there is no football on at the moment and seemingly nothing happening with us. It's a big sports headline that's being discussed, it's hardly obsessive.

[Samilktray]

"And no wizard either" has done me

[richardsfoxes]

15 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

This obsession with Maresca is somewhat... worrying.

 

He's no Nigel Pearson. And no wizard, either.

Did Enzo have his flaws yes but he's one of the best manager's we have had, I have never ever in the 30 years i've supported us ever seen a manager almost instantly see the tactical changes he wanted from the first game, he improved players (KDH, Ricardo, Vestergaard, Hamza, Winks, Ndidi even daka, look at how good Stephy was under him and him alone). He converted players to positions you never could of imagined them playing but they looked astute, Ricardo central, Ndidi attacking, Vestergaard a ball playing centre back. Again he had his flaws as any manager does but to say he wasn't/isnt a great manager is crazy, its all hindsight now but if he had stayed I think he would of kept us up. 

[Chrysalis]

16 hours ago, Mike the Metal Ed said:

We played far better and more attacking football under Maresca than anyone including Rodgers since 2020. I think honestly some people remember it as being worse than it was.

The best game I ever watched under Enzo he disowned the game.

His merits are he got players to be more professional, especially Winks who has proven to be a problem player, recognised Ricardo is more suited in a different position, and grinded out results despite not playing well.

His football was a snooze fest though.  A lesson of passing for the sake of it.

[MC Prussian]

7 hours ago, AKCJ said:

I wouldn't say anyone is obsessed with him but you can't blame Leicester fans for wanting the best for him considering he was responsible for the only genuinely enjoyable season we've had since winning the FA Cup.

Yes, he did well. But look at what he had at his disposal in terms of talent.

We still had Vardy, KDH, Albrighton, McAteer, Ndidi, Iheanacho, Justin, Hermansen.

We were stacked.

 

And "enjoyable" is relative. I didn't enjoy the last third of the season under Maresca at all.

You know, the period where he was found out, we lost seven out of 14 league matches between mid-February and the end of the season, and we barely made it over the finishing line. Could've well ended up in the playoffs instead.

 

Also, jumping ship at the first opportunity still doesn't sit well with me. Should've proven his worth in the Premier League with us.

Instead, he chose Chelsea, failed in his second season there, and is now rumoured to take over at Manchester City. Has the sound of failing upwards, if you ask me. A bit like Liam Rosenior.

Edited 20 May by MC Prussian

[The boy Linacre]

Chelsea got lucky to win both trophies they did under him.  

Unless you're very unlucky, making a Semi in the Conference League is an English club requisite, Wet Spam, Lestah, Villa, Chelsea, Palace, all last 4 at least

As for the World Club Cup, many that could did not play and PSG MUST have been knackered by the final.  Course you need some skill which they had BUT they also had plenty of luck.

ALSO Bernardo, Stones, possibly Ake, and others might leave.

I think the jury is very much out on him at the highest level.

Arsenal have got rid of the bottlers tag, Liverpool might recover, there's plenty there.  Its going to be competitive next season, Manure might compete somewhat.

Lets see what you've got in the real glare Enzo......If he can get close, I take my hat off...BUT not certain