Maresca to Man City

[indierich06]

20 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Have a word chap. He is probably the greatest manager the PL has ever seen. Oh trophies speak for themselves too. 

He's certainly won pretty much everything going, but there is definitely a question as to whether they have done that legally and played by the rules to achieve that in the first place - obviously that has very little to do with Guardiola himself. Secondly, while I wholeheartedly agree that his style of football is extremely effective, I'd argue that it's probably had a negative effect on the game overall in the last ten years or so. His tactics win games and trophies, but I don't think his brand of football is particularly exciting to watch for the most part.

 

Also, the proliferation of teams trying to employ those ponderous possession based tactics means that football generally is more boring now - we saw it under Enzo, we won so many games, but were they that good  to watch? You get a lot of managers it doing it badly as well - see Russell Martin. I think the widespread adoption of his style of football has taken a lot of the unpredictability out of football, flair players like we saw back in the late 90s / 00s are basically non-existent because unpredictable wingers and attacking midfielders don't fit 'the system'.

[Fish]

3 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

He's certainly won pretty much everything going, but there is definitely a question as to whether they have done that legally and played by the rules to achieve that in the first place - obviously that has very little to do with Guardiola himself. Secondly, while I wholeheartedly agree that his style of football is extremely effective, I'd argue that it's probably had a negative effect on the game overall in the last ten years or so. His tactics win games and trophies, but I don't think his brand of football is particularly exciting to watch for the most part.

 

Also, the proliferation of teams trying to employ those ponderous possession based tactics means that football generally is more boring now - we saw it under Enzo, we won so many games, but were they that good  to watch? You get a lot of managers it doing it badly as well - see Russell Martin. I think the widespread adoption of his style of football has taken a lot of the unpredictability out of football, flair players like we saw back in the late 90s / 00s are basically non-existent because unpredictable wingers and attacking midfielders don't fit 'the system'.

Exactly my thoughts. And I won’t miss his constant spitting .

[Ashley]

3 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

He's certainly won pretty much everything going, but there is definitely a question as to whether they have done that legally and played by the rules to achieve that in the first place - obviously that has very little to do with Guardiola himself. Secondly, while I wholeheartedly agree that his style of football is extremely effective, I'd argue that it's probably had a negative effect on the game overall in the last ten years or so. His tactics win games and trophies, but I don't think his brand of football is particularly exciting to watch for the most part.

 

Also, the proliferation of teams trying to employ those ponderous possession based tactics means that football generally is more boring now - we saw it under Enzo, we won so many games, but were they that good  to watch? You get a lot of managers it doing it badly as well - see Russell Martin. I think the widespread adoption of his style of football has taken a lot of the unpredictability out of football, flair players like we saw back in the late 90s / 00s are basically non-existent because unpredictable wingers and attacking midfielders don't fit 'the system'.

 

Man City are a good team to watch. We were a good team to watch(it became a little slower as the season went on but some of the passing sequences and number of passes were excellent) 

 

I fully agree players need to be able to do their thing and that flair is needed but you can have that and still stick to principles of play. Hey look at Cherki this season? 

[Samilktray]

37 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Yeah I'm sure their fans are bored shitless  Only 21 trophies won in the last 9 seasons under Pep.

 

Rodri? De Bruyne? Haaland?

 

Bet they're longing for the days of Danny Tiatto, Jamie Pollock and Danny Allsopp.

Sounds awful!!!

[ramboacdc]

I was stunned to find out Pep had been there 10 years! Sure didn't feel like that long to me. Then again, in my head the pandemic was only 3 years ago. 

We won't be a 2nd thought to him if he gets that job. Maybe having those sorts of players suits his style more than ours. Top asked him once to play like Man City. Looks like he will. 

[Richmondfox]

5 hours ago, lcfcfoz said:

Looking very likely, will this help us in anway with loan deals etc?, with James McCarron on board too surely this is a possibility? Wouldn't be surprised if they get Monga and loan him back.

Monga needs to learn how to pass the ball and run into space before he is of any use to a professional team. He needs to be trained by coaches with actual ideas and instil teamwork into him.  It’s a shame he missed out on that training this season as we missed out on his skills.  

[The Year Of The Fox]

46 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Yeah I'm sure their fans are bored shitless  Only 21 trophies won in the last 9 seasons under Pep.

 

Rodri? De Bruyne? Haaland?

 

Bet they're longing for the days of Danny Tiatto, Jamie Pollock and Danny Allsopp.

Yes, they’re queuing in their droves to get into the stadium at home match days aren’t they 

[Raj]

Maresca doesn't give 2 fecks about us

[TheGoldenGod]

4 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Yes, they’re queuing in their droves to get into the stadium at home match days aren’t they 

They had more fans in the ground when Steve Coppell was in charge then? The style of play has got absolutely naff all to do with the attendances in the ground at Manchester City

Edited 19 May by TheGoldenGod

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Yes, they’re queuing in their droves to get into the stadium at home match days aren’t they 

They're increasing the size of the Etihad again so yeah I'd say so.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Darren from Long Eaton still wants to know if Pep could do it at Harrogate Town 

[Fox92]

30 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

He's certainly won pretty much everything going, but there is definitely a question as to whether they have done that legally and played by the rules to achieve that in the first place - obviously that has very little to do with Guardiola himself. Secondly, while I wholeheartedly agree that his style of football is extremely effective, I'd argue that it's probably had a negative effect on the game overall in the last ten years or so. His tactics win games and trophies, but I don't think his brand of football is particularly exciting to watch for the most part.

 

Also, the proliferation of teams trying to employ those ponderous possession based tactics means that football generally is more boring now - we saw it under Enzo, we won so many games, but were they that good  to watch? You get a lot of managers it doing it badly as well - see Russell Martin. I think the widespread adoption of his style of football has taken a lot of the unpredictability out of football, flair players like we saw back in the late 90s / 00s are basically non-existent because unpredictable wingers and attacking midfielders don't fit 'the system'.

I don't care for Man City but I like Pep and he is one of the greatest of all time. However, this is something I agree with. I think Cherki is a good flair player but so was Grealish and he seemed to have it coached out of him which is a shame. 

[TheGoldenGod]

The mental gymnastics people go to on here because they can't admit Enzo is a great coach is brilliant! Thanks for the laughs guys

[MonarchFox]

1 hour ago, Ashley said:

Its Enzo.

Yep, just seen that.  That's why I don't gamble .  Kompany's family must still be this way or it's and expensive holiday home

[Broof]

57 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Don't know how anyone can say he did a bad job here.

 

Dont get me wrong, his football is amongst the least enjoyable football ive ever watched, but it got the job done.

Scoring two goals per game and winning the league? Nah mate it's been way more fun watching Jordan Ayew fall over whilst the rest of the team develops depression. 

[Langley]

8 minutes ago, Broof said:

Scoring two goals per game and winning the league? Nah mate it's been way more fun watching Jordan Ayew fall over whilst the rest of the team develops depression. 

This is the way. 

[FoxinNotts]

With the McCarron, Maresa/Caballero association, you'd imagine we'll be getting at least a couple of loans of Man City youngsters this season coming.

 

I'd bet on Reigan Heskey and Divin Mubama

[cityfanlee23]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Very difficult to replace Pep, I don't think anyone can do that, but I can't see them being so dominant under Maresca. 

I don't think he really needs to "replace him" I suspect whatever happens Enzo will get a "get out of jail free" card if the rumoured punishments for Man City ring true regarding the charges.

[cityfanlee23]

18 minutes ago, Broof said:

Scoring two goals per game and winning the league? Nah mate it's been way more fun watching Jordan Ayew fall over whilst the rest of the team develops depression. 

Just because we were worse under other managers, doesn't make Enzo's style enjoyable for everyone. 
Yes, we scored a lot of goals and conceded relatively few, but you can achieve that with any style if the setup is right. For many of us, the style was boring to watch. 

[VLC86]

Nothing against Enzo, he clearly worked wonders for us in somehow getting a tune out of the players and uniting the club, but based on how he came very close to not taking the most expensive Championship team in history up it always blows my mind to think how sliding doors moments happen.

 

If Hamza hadn’t made a couple of goal line clearances against West Brom, we probably bottle promotion and he’s not getting a sniff of Chelsea or Man City.

 

Fair play though. I thanked him for saving the club by taking us up, he’s probably not done that but through no fault of his own.

[adejo92]

43 minutes ago, Broof said:

Scoring two goals per game and winning the league? Nah mate it's been way more fun watching Jordan Ayew fall over whilst the rest of the team develops depression. 

Comparing it to what we have been served up since isn't really relevant.

 

I never said he didn't do well, i said his football was boring as fvck and I stand by it.

 

It was an absolute borefest,  successful or not.

[Broof]

4 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Comparing it to what we have been served up since isn't really relevant.

 

I never said he didn't do well, i said his football was boring as fvck and I stand by it.

 

It was an absolute borefest,  successful or not.

It's completely relevant when you described it as some of the least enjoyable football you've ever seen, unless you haven't been watching us since? I wouldn't blame you. 

 

To be fair I get calling Maresca a bit dull. A lot of it was and we never really blew anyone away. But some of the least enjoyable football you’ve ever watched? Really? Since he left we’ve had plenty of the same dull sideways nothingness, just without control or goals or the general sense that anyone knows what they’re doing.

[fox_up_north]

Not sure what to make of this. 

 

I suppose it demonstrates a consistent "Man City way" but this is going to be Man United levels of drop off.

 

As good a time as any for Arteta

[MPH]

There were rumors a few weeks ago that Top had sounded Maresca out about a possible return.  If he did indeed do that, it shows you just how out of touch with reality top is, just in case we didn’t know already..

[MPH]

Just now, fox_up_north said:

Not sure what to make of this. 

 

I suppose it demonstrates a consistent "Man City way" but this is going to be Man United levels of drop off.

 

As good a time as any for Arteta

I actually think he did a very impressive job with a very young Chelsea team. Add a few world class seasoned pros in there with a great work ethic  and you should get the winning ticket