Thracian Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 if walsh had badges would people change their opinion?I think knowing the game holds more merit than a peice of paper. As far as I'm aware Walsh has done little or nothing to show he can manage or coach. He spent the years when he might have demonstrated such capabilities golfing. Even now, if management is the path he wants to follow, why doesn't he get a job with a club where he could start to build his off-pitch CV like Paul Ince. Football is full of "know-the-game" candidates who were no use at all in management. And from what I've seen there are "know-the-game" coaches too who are not much good but quietly taking a wage at various clubs. Sometimes it can be a great advantage for a coach to have played at a high standard but managing/coaching are totally different from playing and require many different skills that some ex-players will never have. Not that pieces of paper mean much to me. I was an SRA National Panel Tutor, East Midlands Regional Coach and my home county coach with part responsibility for preparing coaches for qualification and got in trouble once for declaring that an entire intake didn't have a high enough playing standard nor did they have the technical ability to set a proper example. With the sport desperate for coaches that didn't go down too well at the time but it was clear to me that a whole stack of people were simply intent on getting the piece of paper necessary to earn money from what was a boom sport without actually doing the work that would take them anywhere near the required standard. The mostly accepted norm was to have the best so many qualify which meant, if they were all bad, that you would always get some coaches who really weren't good enough. Even when I first qualified as a football coach it was clear that some who went on to get a badge had no idea how to play, to demonstrate, to communicate or to organise. Many were full-time teachers wishing to get a formal qualification that would expand their options - and they almost always got it. Didn't mean they deserved it or were any good. You reap what you sow I suppose and if Walsh is likely to be suited for coaching/management he should start somewhere sensible trying to prove it. No-one would doubt his playing/demonstrating abilities. But whether he can organise, analyse, improve people, effectively motivate them and have the diplomatic and psychological skills of a good manager is quite something else.
volpeazzurro Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 If you're referring to Walsh, he deserves a little more respect than that... He may well not be up to the job as manager, but that doesn't mean the current incumbent is. I agree, but he has plenty of time to take his badges and hasn't. I'd like to see him take them and give it a go somewhere else first. What he was however was a leader on the pitch which we haven't got at present. I've seen Walshy on occasions have a shocker i.e. wayward passing etc, but never, ever, did I see him give less than 100%. I had to smile some weeks ago when I was listening to him on the radio during an away game. Someone with a feeble attempt had failed to head clear from our defence which led to a goal. Without thinking, he commented that he would have had the centre forwards teeth embedded in his arm first before letting that happen! Now laugh, criticise or poh pooh him but that is the attitude he played with and what we respected him for (not the delusions of being our manager). I also saw Taggs pin young Heath up against his own goal post by the throat in a pre-season 'friendly' against Barcelona? They weren't the most talented or cultured centre backs i.e. none of this continental centre half playing the ball out of the defence, but they knew their job and relished it. As Leicester supporters we know we're not going to be in the Champions League or fighting for the Premiership title, but for many years now (not just O'Neil's), we were used to a bit of honest endeavour sweat and tears, which is arguably why we are one of that group of 9. As for the poor little mights being under pressure? Pressure my arse! theyr're professionals and should get there arse into gear and fight, harry the opposition and if you lose the ball get it back pronto. Real pressure is when a close relative is seriously ill, or when my little boy at the age of 5 had to have a kidney out, or arguably me having had my 'roids' cut out in hospital two days ago, trust me don't ever go there!! We can still do this, we definately have the players at our disposal, they definetly have our support despite some shocking performances (albeit we have an absolute clown for a manager), yes we are still with you you bunch of poncy fairy boys, so get stuck in like Walshy did!! Ooouch, some of the pressure relieved this end anyway, feel a bit better for that rant! Cheers, keep the faith!
davieG Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 I am the only one who couldn't really give two shits about this stupid record.It's just something we wheel out in attempt to make up for the fact that for our club our size we've won nigh on fook all in our 124 year history. EDIT: And Geo one of the reasons we don't sing about is probabley becasue we should of been relegated numerous times, luck and circumstance play a massive part in us staying the the top divisions this long. Your right it is a substitute for winning something big but it's also a record of longevity, luck and circumstance also play a big part in people winning the FA Cup but it doesn't stop people wheeling that out.
The People's Hero Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 I hope I don't fall in a hole on my way home.
breadandcheese Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 I am the only one who couldn't really give two shits about this stupid record.It's just something we wheel out in attempt to make up for the fact that for our club our size we've won nigh on fook all in our 124 year history. Personally, I'm quite proud of the record. Although not being something to boast openly about in the same way you would a European Cup triumph (Hello Forest), it shows that we've consistently played at a decent level. If I was to ask, which type of club would you rather support. A forest type scenario - Won a European Cup a long time ago, now playing in the third division. All glories in the past. A Leicester type scenario - Never having played below division two standard. Never going to hit the heights of the elite European clubs but hopefully not going to disappear into obscurity.
Daggers Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 I am the only one who couldn't really give two shits about this stupid record. No you aren't. I don't give a **** about it either. Not only that, but I won't be slashing my wrists or jumping off a bridge if/when we go down...it just isn't that important.
Scow Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 It's a good record - but in the grand scheme of things, it means fu ck all. If we're relegated, I'd worry more about the future than losing an intangible boast.
Lord Nibblington Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 I'd be interested to see if fans of the other clubs who make up part of the 9 actually know about or remotely care about the record. Somehow, I doubt it.
Manwell Pablo Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 I'd be interested to see if fans of the other clubs who make up part of the 9 actually know about or remotely care about the record.Somehow, I doubt it. Ours didn't till Leeds got relegated, then they saw our names up in lights with the likes of Man U Liverpool and Arsenal and latched on to it.
LEICSCOBBLER Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 Heres Something that will hurt you the most... Saturday 20th September 2008 NORTHAMPTON TOWN v Leicester City... :crylaugh: Seriously though having lived in Leicester since July (Northampton is a sh*thole except for the mighty Cobblers!) I'm excited about a local derby sorry people. Btw You gotta get rid of Ollie (aptly named replacement for Gary "Stan Laurel" Megson though he is!) he is awful. Particularly his record against NTFC is laughably bad... UTC FTP
AyewJoking Posted 18 April 2008 Posted 18 April 2008 All those years of hard work by talented and passionate players is finally about to be undone by a bunch of useless títs. Cant say I care too much, when people think of Leicester City FC they dont think, "one of the famous nine" its more likely to be about our supposed obsession with Walkers Crisps.
Steven Posted 19 April 2008 Posted 19 April 2008 Relegation i can handle, watching us in League 1 i can handle because we will eventually get back to the Championship and then the Premiership, but if we are relegated, we can never get back to the most exclusive club in English football. Ollie will be labelled the man who ruined Leicester City's history if we go down this season. I am currently resigned to relegation as I feel that neither the players nor the manager have enough about them. I totally agree with everything in that paragraph and in the post as a whole. When we go down it will be the saddest day of my football life as a City supporter and that is now over 35 years.
Zingari Posted 19 April 2008 Posted 19 April 2008 Being relegated will hurt, especially as we will fall out of the club of 9 teams never to be in the 3rd tier.Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Everton, West Ham, Tottenham, Newcastle and us. To fall out of that club of 9 will be devastating. I certainly don't want us to fall out of it in my lifetime of supporting Leicester City. This is the stat that basically says we are overall in the top 9 clubs in football history. Forget about the present time, we are basically over our entire history, in the top 9 clubs in English football, simple. We haven't won the Champions League or Premiership, but it's League football thats the bread and butter of the game, and we have NEVER dropped below this League. Ollie better get some tactics right or just fook off and let Walshy in for the last 3 matches. The players better perform for the final 3 games. We cannot fall out of this club. Relegation i can handle, watching us in League 1 i can handle because we will eventually get back to the Championship and then the Premiership, but if we are relegated, we can never get back to the most exclusive club in English football. Ollie will be labelled the man who ruined Leicester City's history if we go down this season. totally agree;
maddog Posted 3 May 2008 Author Posted 3 May 2008 It will hurt falling out of club of 9 But will hurt even more if Forest swap with us. Fook! Doncaster are losing 2-1 now. Forest are going up
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 3 May 2008 Posted 3 May 2008 To be frank, apart from City, Derby and Forest fans, very few people are aware that we are in this "exclusive club of nine". In fact, the only time the acheivement really gets branded about is when we are on the brink of losing this status. Yes, it will hurt, but perhaps the acheivement is a monkey on our back that has many fans scard that the history of the club is at stake. Perhaps relegation and the chance to rebuild is what this club needs in the long run, but sacrificies need to be made, I'm afraid.
maddog Posted 3 May 2008 Author Posted 3 May 2008 We just can't go down. League 2 is likely if we end up in League 1. Gillingham and Luton will be in League 2 now, Luton nearly made the playoffs in the Championship a few seasons ago, and didn't Gillingham make an Fa Cup Quarter or Semi Final or something and also just missed out on the Championship playoffs not that long ago i seem to remember Crewe and Millwall both former Championship teams are also down near the bottom of League 1. Rotherham finished 9th in League 2 this season, they were in the Championship a few seasons ago. And Bradford, i remember when they beat us 4-2 in the Premiership, finished 10th in League2. Going down to League 1 could spell further disaster, money clearly can't buy you success. Everyone in league 1 will desperately want to beat us too. Who knows in 4 seasons time, we may need to win our final game in League 1 to stay up. We thought we would come straight back up when we were relegated from the Premiership.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 3 May 2008 Posted 3 May 2008 We just can't go down.League 2 is likely if we end up in League 1. Gillingham and Luton will be in League 2 now, Luton nearly made the playoffs in the Championship a few seasons ago, and didn't Gillingham make an Fa Cup Quarter or Semi Final or something and also just missed out on the Championship playoffs not that long ago i seem to remember Crewe and Millwall both former Championship teams are also down near the bottom of League 1. Rotherham finished 9th in League 2 this season, they were in the Championship a few seasons ago. And Bradford, i remember when they beat us 4-2 in the Premiership, finished 10th in League2. Going down to League 1 could spell further disaster, money clearly can't buy you success. Everyone in league 1 will desperately want to beat us too. Who knows in 4 seasons time, we may need to win our final game in League 1 to stay up. We thought we would come straight back up when we were relegated from the Premiership. We have more resources than most teams in League One could ever dream of. We have a bigger fan base than most teams in League One could ever dream of. With a decent manager, we'd have the pulling power that other teams in League One would dream of. We have an academy that most teams in League One could ever dream of. We are bigger than Rotherham, Luton and Gillingham combined. And, as for Luton, surely their circumstances are extraordinary, I've never know a team go through so much turmoil in one season. We are in this position now because of a lack of planning and some very bad descision making. If (IF!) we get relegated, descisions need to be made alot more carefully, and our money spent more wisely. I can understand talk of League One given our current predicament but League Two?! Are you trying to depress everyone?
Samilktray Posted 3 May 2008 Posted 3 May 2008 I honestly could not care less about this record. I want to stay up, because i want to stay up. Not because of some crappy record.
reynard Posted 3 May 2008 Posted 3 May 2008 We have more resources than most teams in League One could ever dream of. We have a bigger fan base than most teams in League One could ever dream of. With a decent manager, we'd have the pulling power that other teams in League One would dream of. We have an academy that most teams in League One could ever dream of. We are bigger than Rotherham, Luton and Gillingham combined. And, as for Luton, surely their circumstances are extraordinary, I've never know a team go through so much turmoil in one season.We are in this position now because of a lack of planning and some very bad descision making. If (IF!) we get relegated, descisions need to be made alot more carefully, and our money spent more wisely. I can understand talk of League One given our current predicament but League Two?! Are you trying to depress everyone? Resource, Fan bases and an academy mean nothing at all. Just look at this season. With the current playing staff and manager I really can't see us getting out of Div 1 in a hurry. Don't forget Wolves (similar in size/fan base etc to us) fell to 92nd place at one point in their history. Anyone thinking we will just turn out win most games and get automatic promotion is very deluded. We are not down yet but this time tomorrow I for one fear the worst.
Fox You Forest Posted 3 May 2008 Posted 3 May 2008 We just can't go down.League 2 is likely if we end up in League 1. Gillingham and Luton will be in League 2 now, Luton nearly made the playoffs in the Championship a few seasons ago, and didn't Gillingham make an Fa Cup Quarter or Semi Final or something and also just missed out on the Championship playoffs not that long ago i seem to remember Crewe and Millwall both former Championship teams are also down near the bottom of League 1. Rotherham finished 9th in League 2 this season, they were in the Championship a few seasons ago. And Bradford, i remember when they beat us 4-2 in the Premiership, finished 10th in League2. Going down to League 1 could spell further disaster, money clearly can't buy you success. Everyone in league 1 will desperately want to beat us too. Who knows in 4 seasons time, we may need to win our final game in League 1 to stay up. We thought we would come straight back up when we were relegated from the Premiership. Earlier in the season you thought we were going to make the playoffs from 17th, you must share that account with someone surely cant be the same person
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 3 May 2008 Posted 3 May 2008 Resource, Fan bases and an academy mean nothing at all. Just look at this season. With the current playing staff and manager I really can't see us getting out of Div 1 in a hurry. Don't forget Wolves (similar in size/fan base etc to us) fell to 92nd place at one point in their history. Anyone thinking we will just turn out win most games and get automatic promotion is very deluded. We are not down yet but this time tomorrow I for one fear the worst. I'm not saying we'll be automatically promoted by any means. The resources provided by the academy have been sparsely used, so to say that that "means nothing at all" ios complete nonsense. Also, financially, we will be streets ahead of the likes of Hereford, Yeovil et al. I also mentioned that a change in manager would only do us nothing but good, and, in Max Gradel, we have a player who we already know can set that league on fire. I'm not deluded, just very, very confident.
Corky Posted 3 May 2008 Posted 3 May 2008 If we go down, I can't see us struggling with relegation. We should be at the top of the division for most of the campaign.
maddog Posted 4 May 2008 Author Posted 4 May 2008 We have fallen out of the club of 9. We are a division below Derby, Wolves, Cov, Forest etc. We are dooooooomed.
lavrentis Posted 4 May 2008 Posted 4 May 2008 If we go down, I can't see us struggling with relegation. We should be at the top of the division for most of the campaign. Don't be too confident.
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