Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[kenny]

6 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

The first two line are true. 

The third one is perhaps an oversimplification on my part. "Achieved absolutely ****ing nothing" would probably be better. 

EDF identified the site I believe? Cameron supporting the preparing of the plans by EDF and accepted it would be the next project after Hinkley Point B. BJ approved the development control order and had committed £3bn in funding for the development works.

 

I hadn't appreciated that pre-construction started on site in Jan 2024, 3 months before Labour got into power.

 

Then it was put into Labour's manifesto. I think Ed can take the credit for this.

[grobyfox1990]

25 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Is it foresight or is it being flash? Or both?

 

You could buy a very good second hand diesel car for £10k and it’d last you ten years. Imagine how many years gas and electricity you could pay for with the other £100k!

 

Speaking of Tesla’s- how much ‘carbon footprint’ is taken up by recycling/disposing of their batteries? 

You’re prob right, being flash as well. He is a f4ckwit but a v funny one. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Let's break this down... y'know... to make sense of it...

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

To understand what net zero means, you need.to understand what oil and gas has done for the world, everything you own, from the device you wrote your post on is thanks to oil and gas,

 

Much as clay, papyrus and slate did, but we moved on to better alternatives 

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

it has enabled us to erradicate diseases and live a longer life,

 

Much as trepanning, leeching and poultices did, but we moved on to better alternatives.

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

it has made the world a smaller place,

 

 

Much as the steam engine did, but we found better alternatives.

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

it has brought us light in the darkness,

 

Candles were quite useful for a time, until we found a better alternative.

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

and we want to end that to go down a path bases on spurious claims tha CO2 is to blame for warming the climate so we must eliminate all CO2 without any idea what it will do to the environment.

 

I know - we'd all die. Next question.

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

IWe are looking to force technology on people and tax people.in the belief it will change the climate. 

 

That's already happened and happening - but not in a good way.

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

There will be money being made, but it wont be working people that will see it,

 

At least if they're alive, they have a chance.

 

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

net zero will only make people poorer 

Its so ridiculous that the govt wants to buy farm land to install solar panels whilst at the same time spending millions to explore blocking the sun by cloud seeding particles, or capturing CO2 then burying it. 

 

Sorry, I've given a decent reply to everything so far but...

   

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

The question is, do you trust the man who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich to keep the lights on?

 

Bit anti-Semitic?

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

 

Science is never settled,

 

No, it keeps advancing.

 

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

the telling thing about this is we don't hear the alternative views, its all a bit like covid, and its very difficult to get the facts.

 

It's a virus and it killed a lot of people - not so much now, but that's what happens if you immunise enough people.

 

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

 

I happen to think society has a bigger more urgent problem it needs to address, and thats AI, and how it will effect society as a whole.

 

Yeah, that's definitely concerning, but a whole different story.

Job's a good 'un! You can thank me later for the parenthetical edit.

Edited 22 October 2025 by Trav Le Bleu

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

The question is, do you trust the man who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich to keep the lights on?

Show your true colours without trying to show your true colours.

[urban.spaceman]

17 minutes ago, kenny said:

EDF identified the site I believe? Cameron supporting the preparing of the plans by EDF and accepted it would be the next project after Hinkley Point B. BJ approved the development control order and had committed £3bn in funding for the development works.

 

I hadn't appreciated that pre-construction started on site in Jan 2024, 3 months before Labour got into power.

 

Then it was put into Labour's manifesto. I think Ed can take the credit for this.

The Labour government commissioned 8 new nuclear projects in 2008:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7179579.stm

 

Business Secretary John Hutton told MPs they would give a "safe and affordable" way of securing the UK's future energy supplies while fighting climate change.

He said any plants would be built at or near existing reactors by private firms and said he hoped the first one would be completed "well before 2020".

Energy Secretary Ed Miliband gave the go ahead for 10 new nuclear sites in 2009, including Sizewell C:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8349715.stm

 

EDF put forward proposals in 2012: 

https://web.archive.org/web/20200711014954/https://edf.thirdlight.com/pf.tlx/mi4muzRmu0s1b7

The Tories achieved absolutely nothing in 14 years. Except for making literally everything worse. 

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Anyhow, this thread seems have been a bit derailed, would be good to continue it on the Sci thread?

 

To get things back on track...

 

Donald Trump. No specific reason required.

It's become the de facto politics thread for everyone banned from the politics thread. 

[urban.spaceman]

6 hours ago, splinterdream said:

We should have been more forward thinking way before 2009, what happened from 97 onwards? 

They were focussing on renewables at the time and stated there wasn't the economic case for it. Blair changed his mind towards the end of his term and the plans for new sites accelerated under Brown. See my reply to Kenny a few posts above. 

[urban.spaceman]

Imagine being too racist for TalkTV

 

[urban.spaceman]

They must have had some concrete evidence. 

[PhillippaT]

7 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

The Tories achieved absolutely nothing in 14 years. Except for making literally everything worse. 

The right wing lives and thrives on created problems, so why should they actually solve anything?  That people get more selfish when 'threatened' and then think that more selfishness in the answer is how you get a right-wing state death spiral, that then only usually survives on, wait for it, other people's/country's money, after it's already been robbed blind to begin with.

 

The fundamental scale that left vs right is resting on is between collective and individual, and since humanity is inherently based upon being collective, (beginning with families), reality inherently leans left.  But this means the selfish right is therefore built on a lie, which makes ever other lie on top much easier to accept - which is how and why we wind up with the situation above - because divide and conquer works.

Edited 23 October 2025 by PhillippaT

[ozleicester]

9 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

It's hilarious watching things go completely over people's heads here, it's nearly as funny as when some thought @ozleicesterwas serious about being right wing on another thread recently 

Ive... reformed... ...expecting my invitation to post in "GenNews" any moment now

[ozleicester]

21 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It's darkly funny how a lot of the West continue to look down their noses at China while they're currently accelerating away from us on almost every metric concerning progressive infrastructure to guarantee the future. 

 

The same hubris from the other side - "we're no.1 so why try harder" - was one of the key reasons that led to the Opium Wars and the "Century of Humiliation" for China. Something to consider before we keep thinking they're somehow inferior. 

Just back from a week in China... Recommend everyone spend a little time there "talking" (thank you translate apps) to Chinese people. 

China installed more solarpower than the rest of the world combined last year, lifted millions from poverty, increased female university completion to above 50%, most cars are electric/hybrid... several million other things that can be mentioned. Didnt see anyone getting chased down and arrested for being a different colour.

But nah...China bad

[splinterdream]

2 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Just back from a week in China... Recommend everyone spend a little time there "talking" (thank you translate apps) to Chinese people. 

China installed more solarpower than the rest of the world combined last year, lifted millions from poverty, increased female university completion to above 50%, most cars are electric/hybrid... several million other things that can be mentioned. Didnt see anyone getting chased down and arrested for being a different colour.

But nah...China bad

Have you any idea of how many people they execute a year?

They live in a Country where you can be taken for saying the wrong thing such as criticism of the government or doing something wrong like pouring coffee down the drain, you could have your home taken away, your job, your ability to travel, buy food, everything, not only that your photo put on billboards to shame you, and in this Country we seem to be following down the same line. Censorship, police at your door for speech, blasphemy laws, 2 tier justice sysytem by the state.

Yes, China are bad, ther will always be people that like living under a system like (the state knkws best).

If we have ID cards, this will be the tipping point of the State being over us, us having to work and be subservient to the state, when in reality, it should be the other way round, the state should be the ones under our boots 

[StanSP]

7 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

They must have had some concrete evidence. 

I'd get more sense out of a tree than I would him to be fair. 

[leicsmac]

2 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Just back from a week in China... Recommend everyone spend a little time there "talking" (thank you translate apps) to Chinese people. 

China installed more solarpower than the rest of the world combined last year, lifted millions from poverty, increased female university completion to above 50%, most cars are electric/hybrid... several million other things that can be mentioned. Didnt see anyone getting chased down and arrested for being a different colour.

But nah...China bad

 

1 minute ago, splinterdream said:

Have you any idea of how many people they execute a year?

They live in a Country where you can be taken for saying the wrong thing such as criticism of the government or doing something wrong like pouring coffee down the drain, you could have your home taken away, your job, your ability to travel, buy food, everything, not only that your photo put on billboards to shame you, and in this Country we seem to be following down the same line. Censorship, police at your door for speech, blasphemy laws, 2 tier justice sysytem by the state.

Yes, China are bad, ther will always be people that like living under a system like (the state knkws best).

If we have ID cards, this will be the tipping point of the State being over us, us having to work and be subservient to the state, when in reality, it should be the other way round, the state should be the ones under our boots 

"The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh, no one is invalidated but no one is right. Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "Truth".

 

....And this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang...but with a whimper."

 

It's rather scary how the same matter can be viewed so differently.

[kenny]

8 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

The Labour government commissioned 8 new nuclear projects in 2008:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7179579.stm

 

Business Secretary John Hutton told MPs they would give a "safe and affordable" way of securing the UK's future energy supplies while fighting climate change.

He said any plants would be built at or near existing reactors by private firms and said he hoped the first one would be completed "well before 2020".

Energy Secretary Ed Miliband gave the go ahead for 10 new nuclear sites in 2009, including Sizewell C:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8349715.stm

 

EDF put forward proposals in 2012: 

https://web.archive.org/web/20200711014954/https://edf.thirdlight.com/pf.tlx/mi4muzRmu0s1b7

The Tories achieved absolutely nothing in 14 years. Except for making literally everything worse. 

You right that Milliband attempted to turnaround the Blair government towards nuclear as it was mostly against it up until that point, whereas the Thatcher government was generally pro-nuclear.

 

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/New-dawn-for-UK-nuclear-power

 

This article is from September 2008 confirming EDF's proposals before they even purchased the site.

 

You have skilfully and wilfully ignored the fact that the Tories approved Sizewell C, got the planning approved, fought off the 2023 legal challenge and started works on site with a £2bn enabling works package.

 

 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, kenny said:

You right that Milliband attempted to turnaround the Blair government towards nuclear as it was mostly against it up until that point, whereas the Thatcher government was generally pro-nuclear.

 

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/New-dawn-for-UK-nuclear-power

 

This article is from September 2008 confirming EDF's proposals before they even purchased the site.

 

You have skilfully and wilfully ignored the fact that the Tories approved Sizewell C, got the planning approved, fought off the 2023 legal challenge and started works on site with a £2bn enabling works package.

 

 

And would that party as they are now approve similar projects, or simply echo Reform in looking to oil and gas for the sake of making a quick buck at the expense of the future?

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Just back from a week in China... Recommend everyone spend a little time there "talking" (thank you translate apps) to Chinese people. 

China installed more solarpower than the rest of the world combined last year, lifted millions from poverty, increased female university completion to above 50%, most cars are electric/hybrid... several million other things that can be mentioned. Didnt see anyone getting chased down and arrested for being a different colour.

But nah...China bad

Depends who you are and also, China being huge, which part you're in.

 

Even Hitler did some good things.

[kenny]

12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And would that party as they are now approve similar projects, or simply echo Reform in looking to oil and gas for the sake of making a quick buck at the expense of the future?

Sunak was in favour. So assuming he was PM he would have continued the build that started while he was PM.

 

What Badenoch would do? Who knows, but the Conservatives have been broadly pro-nuclear since Thatcher and she has included it as part of her energy strategy.

 

https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4520109/kemi-badenoch-promises-proper-strategy-tackling-climate-change

[leicsmac]

48 minutes ago, kenny said:

Sunak was in favour. So assuming he was PM he would have continued the build that started while he was PM.

 

What Badenoch would do? Who knows, but the Conservatives have been broadly pro-nuclear since Thatcher and she has included it as part of her energy strategy.

 

https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4520109/kemi-badenoch-promises-proper-strategy-tackling-climate-change

Seems like still too much of an overreliance on fossil fuels there, but...

 

Anyway, seriously guys, this is the cvnt thread, not the sci thread. 

 

Another one that does deserve a place here: Vladimir Kramnik, if the allegations about him turn out to be true. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Mods, in all seriousness, this thread either needs closing for at least a while, or certain people banned from it.

 

And I don't even care if I'm one of them.

[Free Falling Foxes]

Going back to Absolute *** of our time......

[Mark_w]

6 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Just back from a week in China... Recommend everyone spend a little time there "talking" (thank you translate apps) to Chinese people. 

China installed more solarpower than the rest of the world combined last year, lifted millions from poverty, increased female university completion to above 50%, most cars are electric/hybrid... several million other things that can be mentioned. Didnt see anyone getting chased down and arrested for being a different colour.

But nah...China bad

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you’re not an Uyghur Oz.

[Sampson]

Oh I cba to read through the last pages of this nonsense.

 

I’m glad some of you still have the energy to debate this stuff, glad some of you are still in the bargaining phase. I’ve given up and am in the acceptance phase of grief for liberal democracy, scientific consensus and the international rules based order.
 

Clear as day now that enough of the population want to ignore scientific reality on climate change and want Farage to rule them like a king and smash the checks, balances, institutions, legal systems and bureaucracy that thousands of years of European history have taught us are needed to hold up democracy.

 

Sideshow Bob had it right all along when he running for mayor of Springfield.

Edited 23 October 2025 by Sampson

[urban.spaceman]

3 hours ago, kenny said:

You right that Milliband attempted to turnaround the Blair government towards nuclear as it was mostly against it up until that point, whereas the Thatcher government was generally pro-nuclear.

 

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/New-dawn-for-UK-nuclear-power

 

This article is from September 2008 confirming EDF's proposals before they even purchased the site.

 

You have skilfully and wilfully ignored the fact that the Tories approved Sizewell C, got the planning approved, fought off the 2023 legal challenge and started works on site with a £2bn enabling works package.

 

 

14 years after it was first identified, which is my entire point. The 2008 article from my previous post literally says they were planning to have it up and running way before 2020. 14 years of Tory rule later and it's only just starting to be built , and energy is the highest in Europe (because of Tory privatisation and Brexit).

 

Yet again, it was a decade and a half of dither, delay, missed opportunity, destruction, corruption. All of which has cost us extremely dearly and will be costing us for decades.