Hugo Sanchez Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 What i don't get, if flares are so dangerous why in Italy or Turkey have there never been a huge fire ? They take them every game and its looks really cool and adds to the atmosphere. I think you could use flares safely in the english game. Bradford fire i think is going to far, like saying should we never stand because of Hillsborough ?
LCFC-ARAB Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 What i don't get, if flares are so dangerous why in Italy or Turkey have there never been a huge fire ?They take them every game and its looks really cool and adds to the atmosphere. I think you could use flares safely in the english game. Bradford fire i think is going to far, like saying should we never stand because of Hillsborough ? VALID.
StanSP Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 What i don't get, if flares are so dangerous why in Italy or Turkey have there never been a huge fire ?They take them every game and its looks really cool and adds to the atmosphere. I think you could use flares safely in the english game. Bradford fire i think is going to far, like saying should we never stand because of Hillsborough ? Mainly this. Off the top of my head, I genuinely cannot remember there being any huge consequences of events on a disastrous scale as a result of flares.
Hugo Sanchez Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 I didn't go to the Blackpool game but when was listening to it on the radio and when they said someone had lit a flare, i thought that would be epic. The english game for atmosphere isn't anything great no more, to many rules, families and seats. I think it be mega if our kop was decked out in flags, flares and 8,000 people standing up and singing. You would look forward to going to a home match, who honestly go's to a home match these days and thinks the atmosphere gonna be mega today.
Tommeh Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 What i don't get, if flares are so dangerous why in Italy or Turkey have there never been a huge fire ?They take them every game and its looks really cool and adds to the atmosphere. I think you could use flares safely in the english game. Bradford fire i think is going to far, like saying should we never stand because of Hillsborough ? Best point of the thread
Nationwider Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 If there was any serious chance the flare massive crush at Hillsborough could have caused mass injury/death I'm sure the police/stewards would have done more about it. They just stood there like lemons for about two minutes. Yes, thank god for the expert judgement of the good old boys in blue/flourescent orange. I think it was just meant as a bit of fun, and as a one-off, should be treated as such. But there's no guarantee that the next time, PC Plum might have his camcorder. There is form for this sort of thing ending in a prison sentence in the UK - link. There's always a small chance that someone in theory could be hurt. I wouldn't fancy gluing the 'Dad of three blinded by flare' headline in my family scrapbook. The point that B&S mentioned about getting searched more is a good one. I always get searched at the bigger away grounds, presumably because I look a certain way. Pisses me right off. That won't stop if we're sending the troops to Donny and Bristol with their own IEDs. Have a wank instead of a flare. It ticks all boxes - it's a bona fide celebration technique (untested in this environment though), it's certainly illegal (in public, anyway) for the thrill seekers, everyone can join in, and at worst it'll sting but not blind.
LCFC-ARAB Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Yes, thank god for the expert judgement of the good old boys in blue/flourescent orange.I think it was just meant as a bit of fun, and as a one-off, should be treated as such. But there's no guarantee that the next time, PC Plum might have his camcorder. There is form for this sort of thing ending in a prison sentence in the UK - link. There's always a small chance that someone in theory could be hurt. I wouldn't fancy gluing the 'Dad of three blinded by flare' headline in my family scrapbook. The point that B&S mentioned about getting searched more is a good one. I always get searched at the bigger away grounds, presumably because I look a certain way. Pisses me right off. That won't stop if we're sending the troops to Donny and Bristol with their own IEDs. Have a wank instead of a flare. It ticks all boxes - it's a bona fide celebration technique (untested in this environment though), it's certainly illegal (in public, anyway) for the thrill seekers, everyone can join in, and at worst it'll sting but not blind. That wasn't the same type of flare Fireing a gun into a crowd of people is completly different to standing there holding a flare.
Guest Bilo Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 Sounds as though the jailed fan was using his flare as a weapon, which is obviously an extremely cuntish thing to do and he can have no complaints, but flares are used fairly regularly by non-league clubs such as York and FCUM without any such aggressive intent. I'd love it to extend to the FL system on a wider basis and the beginnings of that can be seen now with flares being set off at Arsenal, Man City and now Blackpool by our fans. Modern grounds are fireproof and built with H&S as a major priority, they also have plenty of escape routes in the very unlikely event of things going horribly wrong so I can't see this new trend being as catastrophic to safety as some would have you believe. Persistent standing is probably more dangerous and we're allowed to do that at most places up and down the country when we wish.
Nationwider Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 That wasn't the same type of flareFireing a gun into a crowd of people is completly different to standing there holding a flare. Totally agree. There has to be an element of proportion in this, and I'm sure that was what was behind the sentencing for that dumbass. Only takes one dumbass to go too far though. I don't think this is a big deal either way as I can't seriously see some new trend starting here. I'm not sure many people would want to risk a ban from football.
ozleicester Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 Just a reminder folks, the internet and forumns are NOT annonymous.
Finnegan Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 Just a reminder folks, the internet and forumns are NOT annonymous. Aye, if people do know the persons responsible or are planning something themselves then you need to have the common sense to keep it quiet. You're probably relatively safe on Foxes Talk but if you slap up some youtube video of yourself setting off some flare and it gets thousands of hits from football fans then don't for one more think it'll never be used to identify someone. Don't necessarily mean the video in this thread as I don't think you could see who deployed it in that. But if any of you are even semi-serious about trying a continuation of this then do mind where you brag about it.
lou Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 Although i'm sure if one was let off, someone would come on here saying the 'confusion' could have caused thousands of people to go mad and rush for the exits and cause a disaster, and then reference a completly irrelevant scenario that happened in New York in 1833
Guest ttfn Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 http://www.enolagaye.com/large-smoke-grena...-smoke-grenadesyes please. someone get it! Yeah that would be mint! Whoever did that would look so cool. Somebody explain this to me. WHY is the flare cool? It seems like people are just saying 'it creates atmosphere'. Bullshit. We'd just gone 2-0 up. That is what was creating the atmosphere. Not some smoke which served no purpose other than for some guy to be able to stick it to the man. Arsenal did it against Chelsea the other day. I didn't think it looked good, it didn't seem to add to the atmosphere and really made the Arsenal fans look ridiculous, pathetically trying to emulate a foreign atmosphere they could never dream of.
Unit Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 Yeah that would be mint! Whoever did that would look so cool. Somebody explain this to me. WHY is the flare cool? It seems like people are just saying 'it creates atmosphere'. Bullshit. We'd just gone 2-0 up. That is what was creating the atmosphere. Not some smoke which served no purpose other than for some guy to be able to stick it to the man. Arsenal did it against Chelsea the other day. I didn't think it looked good, it didn't seem to add to the atmosphere and really made the Arsenal fans look ridiculous, pathetically trying to emulate a foreign atmosphere they could never dream of. Cheer up, it might never happen
hairy Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 Bradford fire i think is going to far, like saying should we never stand because of Hillsborough ? Bradford was caused by a disgarded cigarette. It took them years and a totally different arguement to ban smoking in grounds.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 What i don't get, if flares are so dangerous why in Italy or Turkey have there never been a huge fire ?They take them every game and its looks really cool and adds to the atmosphere. I think you could use flares safely in the english game. Bradford fire i think is going to far, like saying should we never stand because of Hillsborough ? If I remember correctly I think the H&S rules state that yes, you should never set off flares because they're not safe, and yes you shouldn't stand because of Hillsborough, that is why most top tier and Championship grounds are all seater. Although one is obviously safter than the other and for the record I think standing at football grounds should be looked into more. I wouldn't see that much of a problem with a flare it hadn't of been set off in a flammable stand, ridiculous thing to do. And to answer the question about Italy, I can't speak for Turkey never been, but they were clever enough to not build their stadiums out of wood. Hence no fire. It's not like the use them all the time or at every game anyway. What I don't understand about all of this is why we want to act like continental fans with smoke bombs flares etc etc. The English football fan has never really been renound for this sort of thing, standing singing, getting some reasonable banter between fans going ect like the old days at Filbo is what we should be aiming before as oppose to setting off flares smoke bombs and having massive flags (no offense Fez I thought your flag was lovely and tasteful ) and trying to act like "Ultras" or whatever, Forza Leicester , rightio.
Zingari Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 don't , unless you fancy a year off http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3646257.stm
hairy Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 don't , unless you fancy a year off http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3646257.stm That was a projected flare rather than a handheld 'candle'. To fire a ball of burning chemicals at a pitch / stand is different.
Zingari Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 That was a projected flare rather than a handheld 'candle'. To fire a ball of burning chemicals at a pitch / stand is different. maybe so but , I wouldn't like to rely on a judge making that distinction
Fosse Boy Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 Although i'm sure if one was let off, someone would come on here saying the 'confusion' could have caused thousands of people to go mad and rush for the exits and cause a disaster, and then reference a completly irrelevant scenario that happened in New York in 1833 Genuinely at that one!
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 I think it's lovely that in 2010 people can get so excited by bright lights and colours. And there I was thinking our childlike sense of wonderment had been lost forever in today's cynical world
Zingari Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 I think it's lovely that in 2010 people can get so excited by bright lights and colours.And there I was thinking our childlike sense of wonderment had been lost forever in today's cynical world WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!
CosbehFox Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 1. How do you know there wasn't a huge mound of rubbish under this wooden terrace? Wasn't that picked up in the enquiry? One of the reasons it spread so quickly was the lack of litter bins etc... If you want to be picky, all-seater will only be fireproof to a point. Steel's hardly the best in fire when it gets going. Just can't believe the hysteria, something a bit different, something a bit unique and it's squashed on.
lou Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 Yee Gods talk about an over reaction to one bloody flare Yes the floor was wooden apparently but it was very damp from being exposed to the elements and covered in wet grit as i recall - would hardly have gone up like a tinderbox. There was no con course so no one would have got trapped in any case
Zingari Posted 12 February 2010 Posted 12 February 2010 i like over reacting , It’s All Fun & Games Until Someone Gets Napalmed ps and lou , that cat in your piccy ( as well as being dangerously overfed )looks as if it could fall off the chair and hurt itself , try to be more responsible please !!
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