Boxing

[Greg2607]

On 20/07/2025 at 10:26, leicsmac said:

Usyk is just a machine. 

 

Taken on all of his peers and beaten them more than once. 

 

Not sure exactly where he is in the pantheon of heavyweight greats, but he just seems to have no weaknesses. 

I think he sits right at the very top of them... or at least in the Top 3 of all time...   In reality, Usyk is the same size as the heavyweights of previous generations... and I think he outworks and outsmarts most of them. 

 

the only route that any of the current crop have is to knock him out and he just doesn't get tagged that much because he is so clever. 

 

I noticed on saturday that he regularly just gave DDD a tap as dubois was setting to throw. no power in the shot, just set them off balance. 

 

going into the fight, I only gave dubois a punchers chance... but did he even really land? has anyone PROPERLY landed on Usyk? he's never looked troubled. 

[STEVIE B]

4 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

I think he sits right at the very top of them... or at least in the Top 3 of all time...   In reality, Usyk is the same size as the heavyweights of previous generations... and I think he outworks and outsmarts most of them. 

 

the only route that any of the current crop have is to knock him out and he just doesn't get tagged that much because he is so clever. 

 

I noticed on saturday that he regularly just gave DDD a tap as dubois was setting to throw. no power in the shot, just set them off balance. 

 

going into the fight, I only gave dubois a punchers chance... but did he even really land? has anyone PROPERLY landed on Usyk? he's never looked troubled. 

He’s definitely the best by miles out of the recent/current crop. 

Not sure he’s top 3 of all time, obviously it’s all about opinions though.

The likes of Ali, Liston, Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Holmes, Foreman, Louis, Lewis & Tyson are all up there……..different eras, l know, which are difficult to compare

 

 

[filbertway]

In terms of Usyk, if he wanted to hang around, I'd like him to drop back down to Cruiser and fight Ramirez.

[Greg2607]

3 hours ago, STEVIE B said:

He’s definitely the best by miles out of the recent/current crop. 

Not sure he’s top 3 of all time, obviously it’s all about opinions though.

The likes of Ali, Liston, Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Holmes, Foreman, Louis, Lewis & Tyson are all up there……..different eras, l know, which are difficult to compare

 

 

I think Tyson in his pomp and Ali trouble him.... Outside of that.... I'm not as sure.  Ali beat Liston, Frazier and foreman with a style not entirely dissimilar to Usyk.  Holmes was all about the jab and I'm not sure he would get into a rhythm against Usyk.  Maybe Lewis troubles him too..... But I see Lewis as a better version of Joshua and usyks beat him twice....  

 

As you say, all about opinions and I'm sure people would argue against my rationale above. 

[BKLFox]

I really hope if the next Jake Paul fight is actually v AJ then I hope AJ hasn’t signed up to the, “fight, but you must not give your all” circus, this clown needs putting on his arse.

 

[filbertway]

Fed up of people underestimating Moses

Get that man against the best

[Izzy]

10 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Fed up of people underestimating Moses

Get that man against the best

Ridiculous that he's only 20. What an exciting prospect.

[filbertway]

13 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Ridiculous that he's only 20. What an exciting prospect.

He's got the brutal power of a heavyweight but moves like a middleweight. Unbelievable specimen of a man.

 

I fancy it'll be Hrgovic next but I think hes ready for Dubois, Kabayel or Parker.

 

Ball v Goodman was a great scrap as well.

 

Dubois v Itauma and Ball v Inoue would make an incredible card.

Throw Sheeraz v Canelo in there for good measure as well

 

[Finnegan]

25 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Fed up of people underestimating Moses

Get that man against the best

 

It's not under estimating him it's just being reasonable, boxing is a funny sport, we've seen this before with guys running through the lower order of the division and then hitting a wall. 

 

It's perfectly fair to suggest Itauma might still hit his before the top. 

 

A washed up Dillian Whyte, who was always over hyped af because of how shallow the division is, isn't really some big coming of age for him. 

 

The nature of the stoppage looks amazing on paper but I do think it says just as much about how awful shape Whyte is in. 

 

He'll get a Hrgovic or a Wardley or something next and that's about right. He's not done anywhere near enough to earn a shot at probably Parker let alone Usyk. 

 

[filbertway]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's not under estimating him it's just being reasonable, boxing is a funny sport, we've seen this before with guys running through the lower order of the division and then hitting a wall. 

 

It's perfectly fair to suggest Itauma might still hit his before the top. 

 

A washed up Dillian Whyte, who was always over hyped af because of how shallow the division is, isn't really some big coming of age for him. 

 

The nature of the stoppage looks amazing on paper but I do think it says just as much about how awful shape Whyte is in. 

 

He'll get a Hrgovic or a Wardley or something next and that's about right. He's not done anywhere near enough to earn a shot at probably Parker let alone Usyk. 

 

Agree to disagree. He's dispatching fighters with ease.

 

Its like making Yamal play for the u21s.

 

What do you mean Whyte in bad shape? Obviously not physically as he looked in the best nick hes looked in years.

 

I think its fair to want him to work through the levels but im not going to be shocked when he puts Hrgovic or Wardley on their arse within 6 minutes.

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's not under estimating him it's just being reasonable, boxing is a funny sport, we've seen this before with guys running through the lower order of the division and then hitting a wall. 

 

It's perfectly fair to suggest Itauma might still hit his before the top. 

 

A washed up Dillian Whyte, who was always over hyped af because of how shallow the division is, isn't really some big coming of age for him. 

 

The nature of the stoppage looks amazing on paper but I do think it says just as much about how awful shape Whyte is in. 

 

He'll get a Hrgovic or a Wardley or something next and that's about right. He's not done anywhere near enough to earn a shot at probably Parker let alone Usyk. 

 

 

Wouldn't say the division's been shallow during Whyte's career at all tbh, Joshua, Wlad, Fury, Usyek, Dubois, Parker, Wilder despite his technical limitations..... backed up by a good 5 or 6 who could give the prementioned a good run on their night....Not quite what it was in the 90's or the 70's but certainly a pretty solid era. 

 

I do agree he is a far cry from the fighter that beat Parker though, been in one to many ding dongs I think, too many miles on the clock and taken three (well four now) pretty heavy knockout losses. He can lose all the weight he wants he's still warn out and getting on.

[Sly]

6 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Wouldn't say the division's been shallow during Whyte's career at all tbh, Joshua, Wlad, Fury, Usyek, Dubois, Parker, Wilder despite his technical limitations..... backed up by a good 5 or 6 who could give the prementioned a good run on their night....Not quite what it was in the 90's or the 70's but certainly a pretty solid era. 

 

I do agree he is a far cry from the fighter that beat Parker though, been in one to many ding dongs I think, too many miles on the clock and taken three (well four now) pretty heavy knockout losses. He can lose all the weight he wants he's still warn out and getting on.

I guess the questions remain about Itauma, is can he take a punch from the likes of Joshua or Dubois. 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

I guess the questions remain about Itauma, is can he take a punch from the likes of Joshua or Dubois. 

 

Think he'd bury the current version of Joshua before Joshua would land cleanly, This version of Joshua is worried about being hit, which is irc what leads to him getting hit. 

I think AJ is just best to beat up Jake earn a lot of money and disappear into the sunset with a half decent legacy in tact to be honest.  

[Greg2607]

Up until last night, I was of the opinion that itauma was a real prospect, but hadn't REALLY had a test at a sensible level.  He was blowing people away, but none of them were elite level, so I was sceptical. 

 

Clearly, his chin still hasn't been tested so we dont really know about his resilience or endurance.... BUT.....

 

Whyte SHOULD have been a stiff test for him. He's basically spent the last decade in the top ten.  He's fought a strong calibre of opponents and is an experienced and durable heavyweight 

 

I thought it would be a step too far and might take him into deep waters. 

 

I was astounded at how easy that was for Moses.  Who do you match him up with next? 

 

It can only be a top ten contender. That's staggering progress. 

[Tinman]

1 hour ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Think he'd bury the current version of Joshua before Joshua would land cleanly, This version of Joshua is worried about being hit, which is irc what leads to him getting hit. 

I think AJ is just best to beat up Jake earn a lot of money and disappear into the sunset with a half decent legacy in tact to be honest.  

Interesting whose corner Ben would be in

[filbertway]

On reflection I think Hrgovic is actually a great next fight. The only man to KO him is Dubois and it took him 8 rounds.

 

If Itauma gets Hrgovic out inside 5 rounds I literally don't know what more he can do to prove himself that he deserves the chance to fight and show he's the best.

[Dr Marco]

[Raj]

Canelo v Crawford.

PROPER PROPER fight for a change.

This is the like the old days of Duran, Hearns ,Hagler Leonard.

 

Should be an epic

[EastAnglianFox]

Really fancy Crawford will do this and do it well.

 

Big points decision for me

[filbertway]

2 hours ago, EastAnglianFox said:

Really fancy Crawford will do this and do it well.

 

Big points decision for me

Fancying Canelo myself. Mainly with crawford coming up in weight and read rumours of a shoulder injury  

 

Either way, it should be a top scrap

[MPH]

Going for Crawford on points. Don’t think canelo will be able to tag him properly. Crawford switches stances really well and canelo has often had trouble with southpaws..

[Sly]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

Going for Crawford on points. Don’t think canelo will be able to tag him properly. Crawford switches stances really well and canelo has often had trouble with southpaws..

I agree.

 

Great trolling with the Mexican music entrance by Crawford as well. 
 

This fight is massive. 
 

Also, this fight was a war as well! A great watch, maybe the best I’ve seen this year as a slugfest 😂 

 

 

 

[MPH]

1 minute ago, Sly said:

I agree.

 

Great trolling with the Mexican music entrance by Crawford as well. 
 

This fight is massive. 
 

Also, this fight was a war as well! A great watch, maybe the best I’ve seen this year as a slugfest 😂 

 

 

 

 

it’s been a good couple of years for boxing, really!

[Zear0]

These fights are now so ridiculously late, it's become conveniently early for me. Keep it up Vegas. 

[Sly]

5 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

These fights are now so ridiculously late, it's become conveniently early for me. Keep it up Vegas. 

Yep! Loving a 6AM main event.