MGLCFC Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 I think Sven may well have got us into the play offs and his sacking was ill timed and hasty. But the facts are he has left and the question is who can replace him. Apart from MON there really aren't that many stand out candidates. All I'm saying is that BD is probably the best of the remaining bunch based on his past record in this division compared to other applicants. I understand the odds on Keegan have fallen dramatically today - interesting!
Kitchandro Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 Contention, so Sven wasn't going to get us in contention? I'm not picking a fight, I'm just saying that he's another 'nearly man'. A manager who given lots of money achieved 'almost success'. It could be argued that Derby went up to quickly and were victims of their success, but nevertheless, he didn't know how to deal with it, and blamed the board. Just as he did at Nothingham. I'm not calling his character, I'm just calling the fact that it's quite a high possibility given his history that he would only replicate his previous form. Define contention? Is 5 points off second in midtable whilst playing like a midtable team contention? Davies would be working with more here than he was at Forest or Derby. Even now we've got a squad better than he had at either of those. You said he achieved almost success but then admit Derby had success under him. And it was success, they shouldn't have got promoted with that squad or their league position the previous season. Sometimes it's just a bridge too far when you take up a team like that. Sven was doing an average job at best, I for one would be happy to give the job to a manager who has a good record of getting teams to perform above expectations in this league. Out of the realistic options, he'd be my choice.
sphericalfox Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 Define contention? Is 5 points off second in midtable whilst playing like a midtable team contention? Davies would be working with more here than he was at Forest or Derby. Even now we've got a squad better than he had at either of those. You said he achieved almost success but then admit Derby had success under him. And it was success, they shouldn't have got promoted with that squad or their league position the previous season. Sometimes it's just a bridge too far when you take up a team like that. Sven was doing an average job at best, I for one would be happy to give the job to a manager who has a good record of getting teams to perform above expectations in this league. Out of the realistic options, he'd be my choice. As much as it pains me to say it, 2 years ago the Flopists had a formidable team, and had firepower from everyone on the pitch, and quite possibly a better team than us even today. Firstly they had width. Davies and Jones have never taken average teams or good teams and made them play exceptionally otherwise we'd be talking about all those times they promoted expensive teams. But we aren't. I appreciate that there isn't a long list of contenders out there, and maybe those two are good, but for me they are not better than the person we have let go.
Kitchandro Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 As much as it pains me to say it, 2 years ago the Flopists had a formidable team, and had firepower from everyone on the pitch, and quite possibly a better team than us even today. Firstly they had width. Davies and Jones have never taken average teams or good teams and made them play exceptionally otherwise we'd be talking about all those times they promoted expensive teams. But we aren't. I appreciate that there isn't a long list of contenders out there, and maybe those two are good, but for me they are not better than the person we have let go. I'm not sure they were that good. They haven't lost many players that they had then and they aren't much good now. What they did have, as you say, is width and also pace, which Davies used to effect. They did play some lovely quick attacking football but not mainly through individualism, but good team play and quick passing, and most importantly they played to their strengths. Some of their players were actually quite average and they had just avoided relegation the previous season. He got the best out of them for most of his first season, no doubt about it. Jones did a good job initally with Cardiff but by the last 2 seasons he had a squad that should have got in the top 2, and they evidently bottled it. Forest did to some extent as well but the difference for me is that Cardiff had a better squad that should have gone up in the automatic places. I think Davies would do a good job with a better squad. Only time will tell if the new manager will do better than Sven, but for me, it was either take that risk or give up on the automatic places.
Corky Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 In fairness to Sven he's had one season in England where he could get promotion, and was facing an uphill task when he took over. Davies has had several at this level, he's obviously more likely to have had a promotion.
I am Rod Hull Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 What are you on about sky sports generation? I'd rather have Sven than Davies he did manage a lot of international sides in that time. Can you imagine Davies managing us in the premiere league? Think about it....... Course not We can do better Feck off ! You deluded *************************** I laugh and pish in your general direction........
Nickfosse Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 Despite the miserable feeling that we are loolking to appoint our eigth manager in 4 years, I am hoping if MON is unavailable we will gor for Billy Davies. I first became aware of him when he came to Leicester with Preston. Fryatt scored after a minute and everything was looking good. None of the Preston team panicked, Davies was clearly leading them effectively and I thought then what a fine young manager. I've kept an eye on him since that imprssive display and thought his work in getting Derby up was exceptional. I think he has done pretty well at Forest too all things considered. I am also old fashioned enough not to want to poach Clark or Freedman.
He's not bald Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 Hate to say this but Davies has to be the man, he's the only candidate with the ability to get us up..come on Billy D let's see what you can do!
Guest bennytwohats Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 When it turns out Dowie is the man to replace Sven I hope you'll all realise how lucky we were. Everything that is wrong with football has been epitomised by alot of our fans since the money has come in - results NOW, no patience, no realism. We rebuilt the whole team over summer, we needed time and were getting towards where we needed to be. Now some shitcunt will come in and mess it all up. I literally can't bear most of our home games these days. I'm genuinely shocked that some people don't realise that we dropped the ball so badly by sacking Sven. First and foremost we need stability, but the attitude we seem to be adopting (which I thought we were past) seems in total contrast to that. Feeling very jaded right now.
Kitchandro Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 When it turns out Dowie is the man to replace Sven I hope you'll all realise how lucky we were. Everything that is wrong with football has been epitomised by alot of our fans since the money has come in - results NOW, no patience, no realism. We rebuilt the whole team over summer, we needed time and were getting towards where we needed to be. Now some shitcunt will come in and mess it all up. I literally can't bear most of our home games these days. I'm genuinely shocked that some people don't realise that we dropped the ball so badly by sacking Sven. First and foremost we need stability, but the attitude we seem to be adopting (which I thought we were past) seems in total contrast to that. Feeling very jaded right now. Lucky? I'd say it's come to something when we feel lucky to be midtable in the Championship. I'd say we've pretty ****ing unlucky since O'Neill left. I think we were unlucky we got Tater Peeler before everyone realised he was shit. I think we were unlucky to go into administration. I think we were unlucky to go down to league one. I think we were unlucky in the play-offs. I think we were unlucky that somebody ballsed it up and let Pearson go and replaced him with Sousa. We weren't lucky to have Sven. If the new manager is Dowie then the owners have ****ed up and us fans have been unlucky, again. The only thing you could say we are lucky about is that we've got rich owners, and even that hasn't done us much good YET. We'll be the lucky ones if we manage to reach the Premiership. Clubs like Wigan are lucky right now, not us. And once again I have to say this, first and foremost we need a good manager, stability comes after.
Tielemans63 Posted 28 October 2011 Posted 28 October 2011 You deluded *************************** Been trying to work out what that insult could possibly be for the last 30 mins now.
BlueSi13 Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 Bottom of the table yes, relegation certainties you're talking out of your arse, or just saying it to be controversial. Besides we're midtable, not challenging for the autos. So let me get this straight, your saying that after 9 games under Sousa and being bottom of the league, it was far too early for us to be judged strong relegation candidates? Then you allude to the opinion that after 13 games under Eriksson and being 2 points off a play-off spot it was definitely the right time to get rid of Sven as we were mid-table certainties? Ok.
BlueSi13 Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 Do you think Sven would have got us up ? Have you seen us play ? Yes i have. Plenty. We weren't playing anywhere near our full potential. Yet as i keep saying, we were 2 points away from a play-off spot at the time of his sacking...despite us playing poorly. So how many promotions has Sven had in England then? How many full seasons has he had to find out?
Kitchandro Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 So let me get this straight, your saying that after 9 games under Sousa and being bottom of the league, it was far too early for us to be judged strong relegation candidates? Then you allude to the opinion that after 13 games under Eriksson and being 2 points off a play-off spot it was definitely the right time to get rid of Sven as we were mid-table certainties? Ok. I think we might have been relegation candidates under Sousa. Once we sacked him it was always going to be a diffferent story, whoever took over. I couldn't see us getting automatic promotion under Sven and we were playing like a midtable side, sitting in midtable. There was no enough to suggest we would be good enough for what Sven was employed for. Again, npw he's been sacked, it might be a different story.
Kitchandro Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 Yes i have. Plenty. We weren't playing anywhere near our full potential. Yet as i keep saying, we were 2 points away from a play-off spot at the time of his sacking...despite us playing poorly. How many full seasons has he had to find out? He's had a full year and our team doesn't look anything close to Davies' Forest team. If we're talking about qualifications for this league, Sven didn't have them. And I ask, we're a quarter of the way into the season - if we weren't playing anywhere near our potential a quarter of the way into the season, after he's had a year in charge, what the hell was he playing at? When were we going to see this potential reached?
GH1 Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 Feck off ! You deluded *************************** I laugh and pish in your general direction........ We're you on the school debating team......nice
Nick Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 Both of these managers are about as inspiring to me as having a migraine whilst wing walking.
cc_star Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 Not Jones, he's had backing for years & failed at Cardiff. He's an accomplished manager though & were it not for the fact we HAVE to get in the Prem would be a good shout. If we can't get MoN or Hughes then Davies would be my preferred option, I think.
pablos111 Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 Any of them will be a bad appointment following Sven. Ok Davies might do a job but don't think he would do any better than Sven would have. I'll be dissapointed if any of these get the job. Me too, god help us please!
adamkhalifa Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 I just hope it is neither Billy Davies, Dave Jones or flipping Ian Dowie. From Sven we end up with these 3 failed managers. They neither have the presence or the stature to lead Leicester to the prem. Why do people keep go on about needing experience in this league. If MON had decided to came back, he to would have found this league a complete different animal. The reason why Sven failed was not to do with experience, but the lack of time. Never in the history of me watching football, have I seen 8-9 new players come in and expect to perform, let alone after 13 games. Add to that the tinkering Sven did. It was never going to happen. Man city with the worlds leading talent, has taken them approximately 4 seasons to get up to scratch. We need a manager that can get the best out of the current team. Gus Hiddink - I wish MON - declined Job Paul Lambert - Aint gonna happen Hughes - declined Job Pearson - Aint gonna do a U turn Lee Clark - Please
cc_star Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 I just hope it is neither Billy Davies, Dave Jones or flipping Ian Dowie. From Sven we end up with these 3 failed managers. They neither have the presence or the stature to lead Leicester to the prem. Why do people keep go on about needing experience in this league. If MON had decided to came back, he to would have found this league a complete different animal. The reason why Sven failed was not to do with experience, but the lack of time. Never in the history of me watching football, have I seen 8-9 new players come in and expect to perform, let alone after 13 games. Add to that the tinkering Sven did. It was never going to happen. Man city with the worlds leading talent, has taken them approximately 4 seasons to get up to scratch. We need a manager that can get the best out of the current team. Gus Hiddink - I wish MON - declined Job Paul Lambert - Aint gonna happen Hughes - declined Job Pearson - Aint gonna do a U turn Lee Clark - Please Sven had a year not 13 games, we're nowhere near as good as we were when we were halfway through his time with us, he'd ran out steam, he'd ran out of ideas, he was hit & miss in the transfer market, there wasn't really anything going for us, other than blind optimism from people like you that 10 years ago Sven won something by spending a quarter of a billion pounds to buy the Italian league, big deal a monkey could probably have done a similar job if you spend 10 times more than everyone else... but spending 10 times more didn't work here. Get over it
dannythefox Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 Out of a bad bunch I would take the boy Billy you know what your getting he would do well here and he has passion. But I don't like him I think he's a little shit but if he gets results who cares.
Langston Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 People that say "I don't like Billy Davies" - surely because he's been relatively successful with rival teams? If he came here and did the business I'm sure plenty would be bumming him to high heaven.
funkyrobot Posted 29 October 2011 Posted 29 October 2011 People that say "I don't like Billy Davies" - surely because he's been relatively successful with rival teams? If he came here and did the business I'm sure plenty would be bumming him to high heaven. Damn the guy with feint praise. 'relatively successful' Billy Davies would be a very underwhelming appointment. Not quite Megson underwhelming but disappointing all the same. What's the point of taking on a manager who failed so spectacularly at premier league level with derby even with money to spend. If he gets us up it would be straight back down, top talent would never come and play for the moaning git. Dowie no way and Jones meh.
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