Is Pearson the long term answer?

[brockmyster]

Never fails to amaze me how quickly LCFC fans turn

[accessory]

You are missing Babs point, which I alluded to a fortnight ago.

Even Sven typically played Niges 'old guard' of wellens and king..

Therefore, either Sven signed some duffers?

Or he felt Wellens and King to be better than anything else he had

Or both.....?

We saw during his time in charge of the England side how easily players could twist Sven round their little fingers.

It's not difficult to wonder whether the same could have happened while he was with us.

[deep blue]

You are missing Babs point, which I alluded to a fortnight ago.

Even Sven typically played Niges 'old guard' of wellens and king..

Therefore, either Sven signed some duffers?

Or he felt Wellens and King to be better than anything else he had

Or both.....?

On the contrary, Babs said "What have Abe, Fernandes or Johnson done for us to make you so sure that they are better? They certainly haven't proved it when given a chance."

I answered that by giving examples where Fernandes and Abe have shown something that we haven't seen from Wellens, and whilst that's not enough to be sure that they may be better, they haven't been given anything like the opportunity that Wellens is given week after week.

Whether Sven played them or not is irrelevant. Sven's judgement could have been wrong. The selections he made weren't good enough to get us into the play-off positions, nor to save him from getting the sack.

[Guest Col city fan]

On the contrary, Babs said "What have Abe, Fernandes or Johnson done for us to make you so sure that they are better? They certainly

haven't proved it when given a chance."

I answered that by giving examples where Fernandes and Abe have shown something that we haven't seen from Wellens, and whilst that's not enough to be sure that they may be better,

they haven't been given anything like the

opportunity that Wellens is given week after week.

Whether Sven played them or not is irrelevant. Sven's judgement could have been wrong. The

selections he made weren't good enough to get

us into the play-off positions, nor to save him from getting the sack.

So Sven didn't even play his own signings?

Because he was 'wrong' not to?

Is Pearson 'wrong' also then?....

And who are you to say.. Sorry mate i trust the judgement of Sven and Nige over yours....

Just think about what you are saying... Either you sign up to the 'Wellens Conspiracy Theory' or it could be that both managers consider/ considered Wellens to still be the best of a bad bunch.

Shows, to be brutally honest, just what a shite manager Sven is. He didn't even play his own signings... OR he was shit scared of Wellens..

Either way that's simply weak weak weak

[Guest Col city fan]

We saw during his time in charge of the England side how easily players could twist Sven round their little fingers.

It's not difficult to wonder whether the same could have happened while he was with us.

If this happened then it shows that Sven must be a complete and utter pussy....

And, as I said earlier... Who the fook is wellens? Al Capone? If he ain't performing or if we have better then drop him.. What's the point of having a manager if a single player is ruling everything.

Except if course, wellens isn't.. You're just making out that he is...

[Tielemans63]

I can't believe there's a thread of this nature already - fcuking ridiculous.

[Salieri]

I'm sick to death of chopping and changing managers every five minutes. Pearson knows how to build a team and should be given time to do so. Regardless of what happens this season he should be in charge at the start of the next.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'm sick to death of chopping and changing managers every five minutes. Pearson knows how to build a team and should be given time to do so. Regardless of what happens this season he should be in charge at the start of the next.

Absolutely right....

[Bob Weasel Fox]

I'm sick to death of chopping and changing managers every five minutes. Pearson knows how to build a team and should be given time to do so. Regardless of what happens this season he should be in charge at the start of the next.

i think most fans would agree

[wellyfox]

NP needs time at least wait till mid feb.

Johnson and fernandes are loans till jan.

NP may not want to use them for that reason.

AS for Wellens it maybe NP thinks atm he and King are our best options as a stable partnership.

Come Jan he may get one centre mid and play him with Danns or any of the other 2.

Wide men weather you call em wingers or not we don't have 2 that are good enough.

Fwd's with the right service we could get by with Nuge Beck's Schlupp and even Howard at this level with service will score.

And yes I think Wellens should be dropped if only cos he can't hack it.

But other than that NP is working with what he's got.

So till the end of feb FFS leave him alone.

My vote atm yes long term.

You can't judge him anything else right now IMO.

[hackneyfox]

You sir are a TROLL. Why are you questioning someone who has been RELATIVELY successful with the two clubs he's been given time at. He's inherited a bunch of players who he did not buy, give him time and get behind him.

Yet Sven was judged on how many games with his own team?

Most on here took last season into account when they slated him.

I'd be happy to give time to a manager who didn't pick Howard to start a game and didn't continue playing a midfielf for 3 games who have achieved fook all.

I'd be a lot happier if he actually plays Danns and Fernandes i their correct positions for 2 or 3 games before he starts looking at bringing in new players.

[hackneyfox]

I've voted for O'neill

That said, I don't think Pearson is the problem I think the same failings that have haunted us since our fall from grace are, we lack real wide players that can produce a cross, ffs nicky summerbee had no pace but could provide a decent ball, why is our service into the box so shocking and let's remember guppy and grayson are not world beaters but provided width. And since muzzy left, with the exception of the short lived Mark Davies and Cleverley, we haven't got a midfielder with good enough feet to drift past a player in the middle of the park.

Pissed this division before with 1 gifted midfielder and striker.

As you say we've had no one since muzzy with the exception of Davies and Cleverley, hopefully he can sign or loan a player of similar calibre.

[hackneyfox]

If this happened then it shows that Sven must be a complete and utter pussy....

And, as I said earlier... Who the fook is wellens? Al Capone? If he ain't performing or if we have better then drop him.. What's the point of having a manager if a single player is ruling everything.

Except if course, wellens isn't.. You're just making out that he is...

Chelsea managers for some time now have had major problems with players like Terry dictating what happens and whether a manager is accepted or not.

Sooner or later someone has to have the bollocks to get rid of players that think they are Mr Chelsea/Leicester etc.

If someone is poisoning the atmosphere then you should get rid, dropping them isn't enough.

[hackneyfox]

NP needs time at least wait till mid feb.

Johnson and fernandes are loans till jan.

Is Fernandes only on loan till January, I thought we had him for the season?

[Happy Fox]

NP has again alluded to the fact that we have to get promotion this season he knows that if he fails he will be sacked.

[Merchant]

Depends what you think long term success is for us I reckon

If you think long term success would be turning us to a midtable Prem side like Fulham with the occasional cup run like I do, then give him 5 years and I'm confident that Nige could get us there

If you think long term success is challenging Man City for the title at any point in the next 15 years then no, we'd need a manager of biblical proportions to achieve that.

[ithuriel]

NP has again alluded to the fact that we have to get promotion this season he knows that if he fails he will be sacked.

and thats why the Thais gave him a longer contract than Sven, should not preach opinion has fact

[wellyfox]

Is Fernandes only on loan till January, I thought we had him for the season?

Not sure I thought it was jan may be wrong.

If he is here till the end of the season then yes give him and danns the job now IMO

[trabuch]

I hope NP is long term. But I thought when he was appointed that the owners had got him in to do a job (promotion) and then would bring someone else in if he succeeded.

[foxes2011]

i support pearson fully but i never think going back is ever a good idea. I liked the idea of pearson coming back and know hes in we need to back him fully in jan, then let him have the rest of the season (unless we near relegation) and then start a fresh next season, but i think with january we will make top 6 we still half 23 odd games to play. We should have gone for fresh ideas though someone like dave jones but it to late now back pearson in this window and the next and then judge him after that.

[ozleicester]

Long term if our goal is championship level and less than exciting football.

[funkyrobot]

Long term if our goal is championship level and less than exciting football.

Who would you have as boss then? There's not many better who would actually come to Leicester. Sven was awful and before you even suggest him, billy Davies is rubbish.

[Babylon]

Yet Sven was judged on how many games with his own team?

Most on here took last season into account when they slated him.

I'd be happy to give time to a manager who didn't pick Howard to start a game and didn't continue playing a midfielf for 3 games who have achieved fook all.

I'd be a lot happier if he actually plays Danns and Fernandes i their correct positions for 2 or 3 games before he starts looking at bringing in new players.

Sven had the January transfer window, not an easy window but he had it and he chose to go down the loan route. If he had got a couple of permanents and not relied so heavily on loans we wouldn't have needed such a large turn around of players in the summer, which in turn could have meant this season the core of the squad already knew each other. I wasn't averse to quality loans, but at the time said we needed more permanents because we'd have to start again in the summer.

The midfield we are playing achieved a playoff position under Pearson, which is more than all of Sousas and Svens signings have managed in that time. Is it really that much of a surprise that he is playing people that did it for him before and are actually our players, over people (Johnson and Fernandes) who are only on loan and if rumours are to be believed, wanted to leave as soon as Sven left. It's been 3 poor games, maybe 2 as you can't say for sure what would have happened at Hull with 11 men. If those performance levels continue then things will change, it's as simple as that.

Does he believe Abe and Danns are capable of stepping up to the plate? Unfortunately neither of them has so far shown themselves as good enough to be the long term answer yet. Whilst I agree it's harsh to judge Danns when he has been out of position so much. The position you play shouldn't stop you from being able to control the ball and pass it to your own players. Far too many times his poor control or poor passing has meant he causes the break down of attacks or puts our defence in trouble. Sure Wellens is guilty of the same things, but why replace someone in shit form that's done it for you, for someone in shit form that hasn't?

If Danns has looked remotely competent in his appearances, I'd entirely agree with you. And for all we know Fernandes may already be off as soon as January is here.

[callis]

stick woth Pearson like we did with O'Neil in his early days. Records say it all and Pearson got us out of League 1 and i think 5th in Champ thie next season. Better than Roy Keane, Dougie Freedman and god knows who ever else is available.

Keep the faith!!!!

[Guest Col city fan]

Sven had the January transfer window, not an easy window but he had it and he chose to go down the loan route. If he had got a couple of permanents and not relied so heavily on loans we

wouldn't have needed such a large turn around of players in the summer, which in turn could have meant this season the core of the squad already knew each other. I wasn't averse to quality loans, but at the time said we needed more permanents because we'd have to start again in the summer.

The midfield we are playing achieved a playoff position under Pearson, which is more than all of Sousas and Svens signings have managed in that time. Is it really that much of a surprise that he is playing people that did it for him before and are actually our players, over people (Johnson

and Fernandes) who are only on loan and if rumours are to be believed, wanted to leave as soon as Sven left. It's been 3 poor games, maybe 2 as you can't say for sure what would have happened at Hull with 11 men. If those performance levels continue then things will change, it's as simple as that.

Does he believe Abe and Danns are capable of stepping up to the plate? Unfortunately neither of them has so far shown themselves as good enough to be the long term answer yet. Whilst I agree it's harsh to judge Danns when he has

been out of position so much. The position you play shouldn't stop you from being able to control the ball and pass it to your own players. Far too many times his poor control or poor passing has meant he causes the break down of attacks or puts our defence in trouble. Sure Wellens is guilty

of the same things, but why replace someone in shit form that's done it for you, for someone in shit form that hasn't?

If Danns has looked remotely competent in his appearances, I'd entirely agree with you. And for all we know Fernandes may already be off as

soon as January is here.

Exactly right... Again....

For the final time if any of the managers felt that we could replace our off form players with anyone better, they would have done so!!

Managers want to win football matches.

It is NO coincidence that both Sven and Pearson played a similar team most weeks.. Essentially because they both thought/ think they are the best we have.

What this shows to me is the big fook up that Sven has made with the midfield players. He had money to strengthen that area with real quality. And he failed big time in this respect.

I have no doubt that the midfield will be Pearsons first concern. Both with width and strength. We have neither and I fully expect Nige to address this come Jan.

Until then he has to work with what we have and he feels that Abe, Gelson and fat Johnno just aren't good enough to consistently replace Wellens and King. There is no point replacing off form players with no better. Both Sven and Nige know this.

Not sorting out the midfield, long term with real quality in that area was Svens downfall IMO. Fair play, he tried, but didn't succeed.

Tough bloke alongside creative bloke in that midfield..... That's what we should have done IMO.