Babylon Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Either Sven has spent ten million quid on some shite or Pearson is overlooking them in favour of his 'old guard'? Sven didn't spend a penny on the midfield. Danns - FREE Fernandes - LOAN Johnson - LOAN And Sven picked Wellens, King and Gallagher regularly ahead of his own signings.
Darkon84 Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Some of the threads and posts around at the minute make me want to chew my own arm off in frustration. We truly do have some morons supporting our club. Anyway, Pearson has shown before that he can do the deed, so give the bloke some time. He did wonders with next to no cash. Seeing what he can do with money available is an interesting prospect. We will be alright with NFP in charge
Guy Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 So, first Sven was shit and now it's Pearson. Well from all I've seen the players haven't been shining either. Beckford has been a major disappointment, his performances effectively leaving us with exactly the same shortage of a second goalscoring centre-forward as before he arrived. With Schlupp, our next best bet for a goalscoring striker, all but sidelined, and King playing a much more defensive role so rarely threatening to score himself, we've somehow became worse off for goals overall, which is hard to credit given that we've been playing more people with scoring potential than previously. But for all that Pearson has had little chance of changing things effectively. People mention Johnson, Danns, Fernandes, Abe etc but none of these have shown signs of scoring/making goals much. Has Johnson even been fit? So the truth is Pearson has no realistic alternatives that he has any faith in. There's no real right winger as an option to the makeshift Gallagher, very few goals among our central midfielders (bar King in his best form and given licence to attack) and no options for either Nugent or Beckford. Pearson never strikes me as a committed-to-attack manager. Even using wide players we've been defending from deep rather than pressing up on people and that's always likely to make games close instead of allowing us to dominate and threaten more consistently. But, the manager will clearly bring his own people in come January but, even then, his choices will perhaps be getting more and more limited the faster we fall off the pace. Effective repairs. I suspect, are going to take time - just as Holloway found out, to his cost. Look at the list of leading scorers in the Championship. There's not a Leicester player to be seen. Says it all really. Good post, I can't even see our leading scorer breaking double figures at the end of the season either at this rate - that's unless we ship in a striker from someone in January who's nearly on double figures for the season with their present club already!
accessory Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Good post, I can't even see our leading scorer breaking double figures at the end of the season either at this rate - that's unless we ship in a striker from someone in January who's nearly on double figures for the season with their present club already! Behave. David Nugent is on 7 goals already, despite an injury which kept him out for a month and a frequent lack of service from an under-performing midfield.
accessory Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Sven didn't spend a penny on the midfield. Danns - FREE Fernandes - LOAN Johnson - LOAN And Sven picked Wellens, King and Gallagher regularly ahead of his own signings. ...probably because he was paranoid about a dressing-room revolt, similar to the one that helped force out Sousa. But look at how they repaid him, both on and off the field! Pearson should realise by now what he has to do to avoid a similar fate.
Guy Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Behave. David Nugent is on 7 goals already, despite an injury which kept him out for a month and a frequent lack of service from an under-performing midfield. Behave. David Nugent is on 7 goals already, despite an injury which kept him out for a month and a frequent lack of service from an under-performing midfield. Only kidding, I'm just a frustrated, short sighted fan at present with the way the season's going after all the summer hype.....if we hadn't got all that money to spend then the irony is we might have been doing better right now without some of these expensive imports but who honestly knows....?! As a previous poster said on this thread, this time last year after that ridiculous defeat on Ipswich's "snow joke" of a pitch and then away to Millwall it was all doom and gloom but then look what happened.....
jonlcfc1990 Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Pearson has to be given time i can't believe people don't think that. The team we have at the minute is mid table but he needs time to build his team the team he wants and i think the two home games at christmas will kick start a good run if we can get 6 points we are right back in it.
Fox92 Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 I don't really think he can be judged on the small amount of games what he has managed in so far. However, he is being loyal to player's who he had before, who simply are not good enough. The game on Saturday was a disgrace, and a horrid performance, but, I'd certainly wait to see what happens in January. Pearson cannot become a bad manager overnight, look at what he did here before. How many polls were they on him then?
Babylon Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 ...probably because he was paranoid about a dressing-room revolt, similar to the one that helped force out Sousa. But look at how they repaid him, both on and off the field! Pearson should realise by now what he has to do to avoid a similar fate. But you don't know anything about it, it's all guess work on your part. Perhaps you could provide us all with evidence to back up the things you keep saying.
accessory Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 It's a theory which is backed by the statements of several well-placed sources - some of whom post online on sites like this one, and some who do not. We only have to see the performances like Saturday's and many other previous ones this season, to know that the dressing room is divided, discontented and demoralised.
Corky Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Well he's not mid-table at best, considering he's finished fifth in this division. After an initial improvement we've gone back to the worrying habits displayed earlier in the season in the last two games. Far too early to write him off but January is a crucial month.
Babylon Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 So, first Sven was shit and now it's Pearson. Well from all I've seen the players haven't been shining either. Beckford has been a major disappointment, his performances effectively leaving us with exactly the same shortage of a second goalscoring centre-forward as before he arrived. With Schlupp, our next best bet for a goalscoring striker, all but sidelined, and King playing a much more defensive role so rarely threatening to score himself, we've somehow became worse off for goals overall, which is hard to credit given that we've been playing more people with scoring potential than previously. But for all that Pearson has had little chance of changing things effectively. People mention Johnson, Danns, Fernandes, Abe etc but none of these have shown signs of scoring/making goals much. Has Johnson even been fit? So the truth is Pearson has no realistic alternatives that he has any faith in. There's no real right winger as an option to the makeshift Gallagher, very few goals among our central midfielders (bar King in his best form and given licence to attack) and no options for either Nugent or Beckford. Pearson never strikes me as a committed-to-attack manager. Even using wide players we've been defending from deep rather than pressing up on people and that's always likely to make games close instead of allowing us to dominate and threaten more consistently. But, the manager will clearly bring his own people in come January but, even then, his choices will perhaps be getting more and more limited the faster we fall off the pace. Effective repairs. I suspect, are going to take time - just as Holloway found out, to his cost. Look at the list of leading scorers in the Championship. There's not a Leicester player to be seen. Says it all really. When Thracian is the voice of reason... you know most of our fans have lost the plot!!!
artursteppe Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Anyone who could ever pick Howard to start and wants people to believe he is a serious manager with a future is a joke. On top of that he thinks Wellens, King, Danns, Gallagher and Dyer are ALL better than Abe, Fernandes and Johnson. The man is a joke ( or could he possibly have the same agent as Salman Butt - now that would make more sense ).
ithuriel Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 When Thracian is the voice of reason... you know most of our fans have lost the plot!!! The fans here have been winging it for ages now, there was more of a plot in Lost than there has been here. Come to think of it i do not know any longer if i'm sane or insane since i can't fathom exactly whether the world is sane or not Been on here to long today
Babylon Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Anyone who could ever pick Howard to start and wants people to believe he is a serious manager with a future is a joke. On top of that he thinks Wellens, King, Danns, Gallagher and Dyer are ALL better than Abe, Fernandes and Johnson. The man is a joke ( or could he possibly have the same agent as Salman Butt - now that would make more sense ). What have Abe, Fernandes or Johnson done for us to make you so sure that they are better? They certainly haven't proved it when given a chance. Even Sven ended up picking the old guard rather than the new ones... and he signed them!
Bayfox Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 I've voted for O'neill That said, I don't think Pearson is the problem I think the same failings that have haunted us since our fall from grace are, we lack real wide players that can produce a cross, ffs nicky summerbee had no pace but could provide a decent ball, why is our service into the box so shocking and let's remember guppy and grayson are not world beaters but provided width. And since muzzy left, with the exception of the short lived Mark Davies and Cleverley, we haven't got a midfielder with good enough feet to drift past a player in the middle of the park.
bmt Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 I've gone for medium term (although bit soon to say without seeing his transfer dealings). Think he'll get us up next season then personally think we should look elsewhere if the Thai's keep backing us (rather than playing hoofball in the prem to avoid the drop get someone in a bit more classy).
MC Prussian Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 This was always going to happen. Pearson needs a transition period to rip up everything Sven built and start again completely from scratch. Give him two years and he might be able to achieve promotion. What will actually happen is that the owners will sack him at the end of the season (or more likely, before the end of the season) and then a new manager will come in who will require a transition period which he won't be allowed before he is sacked. This cycle will continue until either the owners learn to be patient, the owners leave, or we get a manager who is capable of producing an instant and miraculous glitch in the matrix. My money is on option number 2. But I'm not excusing yet another abysmal performance. Pearson needs to get a ****ing grip and soon otherwise he'll be edging ever closer to the deserves to be sacked category. Funny you say that - we came to the same conclusion in October 2010. Just replace "Pearson" with "Sven" and "Sven" with "Sousa" and you get my drift...
funkyrobot Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 He has been far too loyal to certain players. Last time it was Matt Oakley. This time it is the two central midfielders. They have been shocking for most of the season and any improvement following Pearson's return was VERY short-lived. The time for excuses is over. Pearson faces a real test of management in replacing them. But bearing in mind this is the boss who couldn't work with Gradel or Campbell (decisions which arguably cost us promotion in his first spell) I'm not convinced he'll be up to the task. Getting rid of Dudley was the right decision. He was an absolute waste of time at city, clearly didn't want to be here.
Captain... Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Can the O.P. define what he means by short term, mid term and long term, I mean he has been here for 6 games, if we are judging him on 6 GAMES then we might as well just all cry ourselves to sleep every time we don't win 3 points and proclaim the season to be over, relegation to be imminent and the premiership a pipedream. We might as well start lots of threads calling for every player to be dropped/sacked/shot. Overreaction on this board is reaching new levels of nonsense.
sphericalfox Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Can the O.P. define what he means by short term, mid term and long term, I mean he has been here for 6 games, if we are judging him on 6 GAMES then we might as well just all cry ourselves to sleep every time we don't win 3 points and proclaim the season to be over, relegation to be imminent and the premiership a pipedream. We might as well start lots of threads calling for every player to be dropped/sacked/shot. Overreaction on this board is reaching new levels of nonsense. 8 games is long-term for LCFC
Captain... Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 8 games is long-term for LCFC Makes sense 2 more games then sack him and spend then whole of the january transfer trying to find a replacement and not sign anyone, sounds about right.
accessory Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Getting rid of Dudley was the right decision. He was an absolute waste of time at city, clearly didn't want to be here. Why was that? Because his face didn't fit with the clique? Ollie seemed to manage him OK (albeit at the second attempt). We weren't able to get the best out of him, any more than we can with most members of the current squad.
deep blue Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 What have Abe, Fernandes or Johnson done for us to make you so sure that they are better? They certainly haven't proved it when given a chance. Even Sven ended up picking the old guard rather than the new ones... and he signed them! Fernandes has shown drive and creativity from midfield in some games (Forest, Derby). Not consistently, true, but then he hasn't had a decent run in the team and has often been played out of position (wide). Abe has had even fewer chances, but played well when coming on as sub at right back, and he has at least scored a goal. How many has, for example, Wellens scored for all his appearences?
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 December 2011 Posted 19 December 2011 Fernandes has shown drive and creativity from midfield in some games (Forest, Derby). Not consistently, true, but then he hasn't had a decent run in the team and has often been played out of position (wide). Abe has had even fewer chances, but played well when coming on as sub at right back, and he has at least scored a goal. How many has, for example, Wellens scored for all his appearences? You are missing Babs point, which I alluded to a fortnight ago. Even Sven typically played Niges 'old guard' of wellens and king.. Therefore, either Sven signed some duffers? Or he felt Wellens and King to be better than anything else he had Or both.....?
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