Libertine Dream Posted 25 February 2012 Posted 25 February 2012 Not sure I follow that at all .... all three of those managers give honest and entertaining interviews .... MON was a pundit whilst not managing, and the other two give fantastic interviews ... all three very media savvy, the only time they give the media a hard time is when they ask a dumb question .... NP just doesn't like being challenged. Not even comparable. Jose and MON are very much like NP in this situatuion in my opinion, in fact Mourinho pulls the same expressions and says just about the same thing as NP. To me managers like Mancini look weak when they say one thing then back down further and further over time, yes Tevez was at fault but Mancini's handling of the saga was a joke at best. However I agree that the flippancy that NP shows sometimes is a)frustrating and b)the wrong attitude.
Corky Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Supposedly? Who's this according to, because on form he's about level in 4th place with Tunchev. People need to get a bloody grip. I'm not sure about Pearson looking like a ****ing idiot, but there are a few people in this thread that do. Not going to games or calling for someones head because an average CB throws his dummy out. Grow up people. People won't go because Matt Mills is leaving? Some have serious issues.
TrentFox Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Mmmmm.... let me try and think of a few single minded, inflexible managers who give the press a hard time .... Er .... Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Martin O'Neill. Mind you that Peter Taylor bloke was pretty media savvy and seemed a nice guy! Don't want to fall into defending a position, mainly because I don't really have one ... just a few observations from a long way away. You seem to have decided that nice guy is bad, tough guy is good I think (from your examples). You might be right. Certainly all leaders / managers have non-negotiables and will not tolerate those that violate those values - and rightly so. But none of us actually know whether that was the case. To say that MON didn't coax egos when he took on Collymore is interesting. To say tah SAF hasn't worked with some of the biggest egos in the business is also interesting. Leaders and managers get paid to make the final call, and that's right and proper. But a 'command' style is highly counter-productive in maximising performance. As I said, I have no idea what really happened, but I think my worry is that from the limited glimpses i have from NP here and the limited globules of info from people I know on the pay-roll at his former clubs, there does seem to be an intransigence that seems to be based on my possibly his own 'security' needs rather than the 'achievement' needs of the club. Even Mancini doesn't play that game. He seems perfectly prepared to eat shit to add a world-class player to the rosta to hopefully (for them) land a league title rather than protect his own ego. But none of us know, and you might be right !
5waller5 Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Jose and MON are very much like NP in this situatuion in my opinion, in fact Mourinho pulls the same expressions and says just about the same thing as NP. To me managers like Mancini look weak when they say one thing then back down further and further over time, yes Tevez was at fault but Mancini's handling of the saga was a joke at best. However I agree that the flippancy that NP shows sometimes is a)frustrating and b)the wrong attitude. C'mon ... Jose gives great interviews, sometimes terse and annoyed sometimes open and chatty... depending on mood and performance ... NP just wants the interview over as quickly as possible and finds any question a threat to his authority so takes a defensive stance the whole time. I don't dislike the guy, equally i don't like him either, i do think his arrogance and lack of like-ability will result in him never being given the same patience from board / fans if things aren't going well. Seems a bit daft and short sighted really.
TrentFox Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Jose and MON are very much like NP in this situatuion in my opinion, in fact Mourinho pulls the same expressions and says just about the same thing as NP. To me managers like Mancini look weak when they say one thing then back down further and further over time, yes Tevez was at fault but Mancini's handling of the saga was a joke at best. However I agree that the flippancy that NP shows sometimes is a)frustrating and b)the wrong attitude. Think I get where you're coming from, and totally agree that the whole saga has been an embarrassment for their club and individuals. But for me, Mancini comes out looking stronger in the end as he put the club's needs above his own - i.e. projecting some image of an uncompromising tough guy.
5waller5 Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Don't want to fall into defending a position, mainly because I don't really have one ... just a few observations from a long way away. You seem to have decided that nice guy is bad, tough guy is good I think (from your examples). You might be right. Certainly all leaders / managers have non-negotiables and will not tolerate those that violate those values - and rightly so. But none of us actually know whether that was the case. To say that MON didn't coax egos when he took on Collymore is interesting. To say tah SAF hasn't worked with some of the biggest egos in the business is also interesting. Leaders and managers get paid to make the final call, and that's right and proper. But a 'command' style is highly counter-productive in maximising performance. As I said, I have no idea what really happened, but I think my worry is that from the limited glimpses i have from NP here and the limited globules of info from people I know on the pay-roll at his former clubs, there does seem to be an intransigence that seems to be based on my possibly his own 'security' needs rather than the 'achievement' needs of the club. Even Mancini doesn't play that game. He seems perfectly prepared to eat shit to add a world-class player to the rosta to hopefully (for them) land a league title rather than protect his own ego. But none of us know, and you might be right ! Good post..... entirely agree.
Lambert09 Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 I care more about Tom Parkes loan spell at Bristol
InBigNigeWeTrust Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 I think it's pretty gutting to be honest. Mills always tried his best.. http://inbignigewetrust.blogspot.com/
acooling08 Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 I've thought about it a bit, and I still think loaning Mills out to a potential rival for 6th is idiotic, verging on insane. He is surely good enough for the Bench. No matter what people say on here, he has been pretty good this season bar a tough start and a few red cards.
Jobyfox Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Don't want to fall into defending a position, mainly because I don't really have one ... just a few observations from a long way away. You seem to have decided that nice guy is bad, tough guy is good I think (from your examples). You might be right. Certainly all leaders / managers have non-negotiables and will not tolerate those that violate those values - and rightly so. But none of us actually know whether that was the case. To say that MON didn't coax egos when he took on Collymore is interesting. To say tah SAF hasn't worked with some of the biggest egos in the business is also interesting. Leaders and managers get paid to make the final call, and that's right and proper. But a 'command' style is highly counter-productive in maximising performance. As I said, I have no idea what really happened, but I think my worry is that from the limited glimpses i have from NP here and the limited globules of info from people I know on the pay-roll at his former clubs, there does seem to be an intransigence that seems to be based on my possibly his own 'security' needs rather than the 'achievement' needs of the club. Even Mancini doesn't play that game. He seems perfectly prepared to eat shit to add a world-class player to the rosta to hopefully (for them) land a league title rather than protect his own ego. But none of us know, and you might be right ! The point was that in all the three examples you have tough, uncompromising managers who aren't afraid to let people know they are the boss. They would not think twice about getting rid of a high profile player if they thought it was for the greater good of the team (Ferguson and Beckham?). They only have the media eating out of their hand as they have earned the right to do so. If they were poor managers they would simply come across as arrogant, irritable or both. You don't have to be a nasty guy to be a good manager, but you do have to have a single mindedness and strong self belief. I'm yet to see a good manager who hasn't got these attributes and Nigel Pearson is one that has. Even Sven, who epitomised the nice guy approach, wasn't afraid to make tough decisions, leave popular players out and ship them out if they didn't take it well. It just makes me wonder why people are keen to think that NP will become a bad manager when all the evidence so far is to the contrary. I'm convinced that if NP is given time then he will deliver and prove the doubters wrong. (Oh .... and in terms of massaging egos there are some in the team who have possibly earned the right to have their egos massaged a little (Schmeichel ... maybe Nugent ..), but Mills, unfortunately, is not one of them. You may have a point that a manager might need to kiss the arse of a player of a certain calibre, but when you're one of five and it's very debatable where you fit in the hierarchy (1st-5th) the manager can afford not to ingratiate himself.
Libertine Dream Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 C'mon ... Jose gives great interviews, sometimes terse and annoyed sometimes open and chatty... depending on mood and performance ... NP just wants the interview over as quickly as possible and finds any question a threat to his authority so takes a defensive stance the whole time. I don't dislike the guy, equally i don't like him either, i do think his arrogance and lack of like-ability will result in him never being given the same patience from board / fans if things aren't going well. Seems a bit daft and short sighted really. I did say in this situation. Whenever this sort of thing happens with Jose he is just as fliipant and secretive with the media Think I get where you're coming from, and totally agree that the whole saga has been an embarrassment for their club and individuals. But for me, Mancini comes out looking stronger in the end as he put the club's needs above his own - i.e. projecting some image of an uncompromising tough guy. There is no doubting that it is good for the ability of the team to have Yevez back but for me it makes them no better in the race for the title. If I was Balotelli or Dzeko, Id want Tevez to fook off, theyve worked hard all season whilst he's messed the club around, then half-heartedly says sorry to get back in when he's bored. He adds nothing to the dressing room nor does he improve morale, we're all just waiting for his next saga when he will steam-roller Mancini again. If you don't stand up to players as manager you lose control. AVB isnt a bad manager, he needs to work on tactics but his main problem is relationship with players. They don't quite know where they stand with him due to the fact he is still seens as a Mourinho understudy, a friend of some and lack respect for him due to age. After all NP won't take the rubbish, no manager should, and it is up to the player to work hard, gain form and prove themselves like SSL did, not be given another chance like Tevez has, just so Tevez gets some more money. MON let everybody know who.was the boss and the main man, players rarely crossed him but yet he had an excellent relationship with his players all because they knew where they stood. MON learnt off Clough, and NP is very much like MON.
unreachable Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 In fact, I couldn't disagree the more i think about it ..... Peter Taylor wasn't media savvy - always seemed nervous when interviewed. Don't think you thought this post through! My interpretation of jobyfox's post was that Peter Taylor gave wonderful interviews but was a useless manager with us, Bradford City, Stevenage etc etc.And btw the less I hear from managers the better - Mourinho was usually talking about himself and his own ego most of the time. Pearson + cash will prove our salvation - I hope.
Jobyfox Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 I've thought about it a bit, and I still think loaning Mills out to a potential rival for 6th is idiotic, verging on insane. He is surely good enough for the Bench. No matter what people say on here, he has been pretty good this season bar a tough start and a few red cards. Although I've come down on Nigel's side over dropping Milld I do agree that we shouldn't be loaning him out to a rival so close to us in the table. I know you could argue that we are masters of our own destiny and it'll only be our fault if we don't make the play offs etc.but, for me, you don't give a rival a fraction of an advantage if you don't have to.
Bugg Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Shouldn't have loaned him out to Leeds I don't think. Maybe a lower Championship side would have been a better option, although I doubt many of them could pay a fraction of his wages let alone the whole (reported) amount he's earning.
Jobyfox Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 My interpretation of jobyfox's post was that Peter Taylor gave wonderful interviews but was a useless manager with us, Bradford City, Stevenage etc etc. And btw the less I hear from managers the better - Mourinho was usually talking about himself and his own ego most of the time. Pearson + cash will prove our salvation - I hope. Peter Taylor was the media's darling when he was with us. He was on every TV sports show going and even got his mug on Sports Personality of the Year. David Pleat is another who talked the talk with the press.
DanTheFox07 Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Gradel requested to leave, Pearson had little choice. Not comparable. Pretty sure Pearson`s action`s left gradel with little choice but to leave to leeds as he didn`t give him a chance in the team! Mills hasn`t been professional about the matter, but all footballer`s are passionate and don`t want to lose there place in the team, can we really hold that against Mills? People mention Pearson and the fact that maybe he has a new found arrogance during his second spell with us. Perhap`s Pearson`s way of dealing with this situation is wrong....? also I want to point out as many people have on here already! why did we have to loan him out to Leeds a team in and around us, who he could possibly end up helping into the play-off`s? can just see the irony of it all now! Leeds end up in the play-off`s and we fail into midtable obscurity! will everyone believe Pearson made the right decision then? as I said before A decision that will for me define Pearson`s reign here as leicester manager. I hope im wrong I really do, but let`s see how thing`s play out in the coming weeks.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 If Leeds were the only club that were willing to pay his wages, what were we meant to do? Not loan him out and then hope he doesn't disrupt our squad? If he stays we have even less chance of making the play offs, at least with him gone we can finally have a proper captain, one who cares about the fans and one who won't get sent off every so often.
ajthefox Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 And Chopra running into bernie given he plays for Ipswich now. I was aware of that, which is why I said on the train home since he would otherwise be on the team bus. But yeah, apart from that it's fool proof...
Kierzz Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 The guy had moments of brilliance. But recently he hasn't been not good, he's been a liability in defence. However, as many people have said before me, I Guarantee you this, he will be one of the best defenders in the league at Leeds. Morgan is not a Premiership defender he is a championship defender, if he ever has the chance, it will not end well. However, Mills definitely has the chance of being a Premiership defender in the future.
MPH Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Excellent move by Pearson. Very brave too. The only way we will protect any sort of investment on Mills is to send him out on loan... If its clear Pearson doesnt want to play him and he sits in the reserves for the rest of the season then we we have a player on huge wages we can not sell whos value reduces.... Mills will probably only move is there is a club willing to play wages close to what we want - ala Carlos Tevez style - so he will need to be playing and playing well too, to convince people to stump up the cash... And I havnt even touched on his negative influence on the squad....
Kierzz Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 Excellent move by Pearson. Very brave too. The only way we will protect any sort of investment on Mills is to send him out on loan... If its clear Pearson doesnt want to play him and he sits in the reserves for the rest of the season then we we have a player on huge wages we can not sell whos value reduces.... Mills will probably only move is there is a club willing to play wages close to what we want - ala Carlos Tevez style - so he will need to be playing and playing well too, to convince people to stump up the cash... And I havnt even touched on his negative influence on the squad.... What are you talking about?? that is pure speculation. Look at our statistics, every time he is out of our team we seem to lose apart from last match. It is no coincidence that Sven got sacked during Mills being suspended from our squad. Mills cemented Sven's defence together.
buzzy Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 what happens if morgan st ledger get injured will we have a recall option because mills should be part of the squard and yet again pearson loaning out to a rival does he ever learn from 2 seasons ago.apart from st ledger the defence have not been good this season [not including morgan as he has just arrived] has a unit
ThurnbyLodgeFox Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 When people talk of ego's at the club, it seems Nigel Pearson has the biggest of them all. Now I don't know whats happened, but loaning your captain to your promotion rivals AND paying most of his wages is just crazy. but he is the manager?
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 This thread is barmy. Some people are saying they won't go down to any more matches if Mills goes to Leeds! What the fook!? And I don't get this thing about 'loaning him out to a rival'.... Mills form has been rubbish and that's why he was dropped in the first place. Absolutely right in my opinion that this should have happened and I think most people on here agreed. What's come after appears to have been instigated by Mills and, if the rumours are true, he has let himself down big time. So... What is Nigel to do? Leave Mills getting big wages and playing no football for the rest of the season or keep him playing, but away from the rest of the squad whilst we are trying to sort ourselves out? I'd keep him playing too... And, don't forget, he was dropped because he needed to be... Ie. because he was missing tackles, dreadful in his distribution and going missing positionally. Are we therefore lending Leeds an in form, class defender who is going to provide them with a competitive advantage vis a vis us? I don't think so.... So, in summary, I think what Pearson is doing makes sense really. It could also have been that Leeds were the only interested party? So it was Hobsons choice? Anyway, that's just speculation, I really don't know. What I do know is that I'm really not bothered about Mills going to Leeds. We've got better centre backs ( and a better captain) anyway IMO.
flowwolf Posted 26 February 2012 Posted 26 February 2012 We aren't paying Leeds. Think he meant Leeds are getting his services for next to nothing because we are still paying the majority of his wages, so in a way we are paying Leeds to play our player. Perhaps there is a tacit agreement between the clubs that they may get him permanent in the close season.
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