Mills on loan to leeds / whu or who?

[Soar Fox]

It's amazing how Preston were relegated when SSL is such a fantastic centre back

It's also amazing how Reading were 90 minutes away from the premiership with the "rubbish" Matt Mills at centre back.

[deep blue]

It's amazing how Preston were relegated when SSL is such a fantastic centre back

We had just about the best defence in the Championship when we got relegated; maybe Preston's defence wasn't so poor, but they were as woeful at scoring as we were.

[Bert]

Bert do you know he actual fee we paid for Mills

It's inbetween £3-£4m. Unless we go up we won't have spent £5m on him.

[Leicfox]

As I've said before, we don't really get to choose where Mills ends up. There will only be a few clubs who Mills can be offloaded to. Leeds maybe the only option. It's probably a choice between loaning him to Leeds or nothing, i.e. he stays here and ruins the harmony at the club.

I agree.

If his ego has got the better of him and he's not in NP plans what other choice have we got?, he was dropped because of is poor form and that was the right decision.

Mills obliviously wants to play and imo thinks he has the god given right to be picked weather he's been poor or not, NP won't stand for this as we all know.

There's also the fact Mills will find it very hard to get back into the team at present as SSL and Morgan have been excellent and then there's Bamba waiting in the wings.

NP must think that Mills is not willing to work for his place back or I don't think this loan move would of happened.

Fcuk knows.

[DanTheFox07]

Bad buisness for us a club if Mills is to leave, we will be lucky to recoup 2million for him I reckon. Undoubtly Mills has gone about thing`s in the wrong manner and he should have learned from the whole episode with St ledger, I disagree with a lot of people questioning if Mills has ability because from what I have seen this season he has contributed toward`s goal`s and putting in match winning performance`s. Through the season he may not have been consistent, but how can you expect the guy to come in and perform in a team that has very rarely had the same line-up from game to game! especially with defence changing a lot. From what I watched against derby, I think Mills is a better defender than Morgan! this is just my opinion btw, Derby aren`t the best team and Morgan doesn`t have pace, so still to be convinced if he will stay in defence with the return of Bamba.

This is a massive decision by Pearson, and may I remind everyone that Pearson doesn`t always get it right! prefect example is when he sold Gradel to leeds and he went on to flourish! we can`t afford to let player`s like that slip through the net! I think personally Pearson could live to regret this unless Mills goes to leeds and has a good hard look at himself and Make`s and effort to apologise. More than likely the damage is already done and the writing is on the wall, plus many of you are happy to write him off as we have enough player`s to cope in his absence.

[ramadaone]

I can tell you there are a few people within the club saying "I told you so" because Mills came with a reputation regarding his attitude - Sven and his advisers didn't want to listen and Mills was duly signed. Unfortunately NP is the one having to sort out the mess and if I was a betting man I'd say you won't see Mills in a City shirt again unless he changes his attitude ( highly unlikely ) or we have a spate of injuries. Luckily for us at present money isn't too much of a problem so if we sell him at a loss so what ? Rather do that than keep a disruptive influence in the dressing room.

[Mission Unlikely Promotion]

Shame really hoped Mills would make it at City

[easilee]

Bad buisness for us a club if Mills is to leave, we will be lucky to recoup 2million for him I reckon. Undoubtly Mills has gone about thing`s in the wrong manner and he should have learned from the whole episode with St ledger, I disagree with a lot of people questioning if Mills has ability because from what I have seen this season he has contributed toward`s goal`s and putting in match winning performance`s. Through the season he may not have been consistent, but how can you expect the guy to come in and perform in a team that has very rarely had the same line-up from game to game! especially with defence changing a lot. From what I watched against derby, I think Mills is a better defender than Morgan! this is just my opinion btw, Derby aren`t the best team and Morgan doesn`t have pace, so still to be convinced if he will stay in defence with the return of Bamba.

This is a massive decision by Pearson, and may I remind everyone that Pearson doesn`t always get it right! prefect example is when he sold Gradel to leeds and he went on to flourish! we can`t afford to let player`s like that slip through the net! I think personally Pearson could live to regret this unless Mills goes to leeds and has a good hard look at himself and Make`s and effort to apologise. More than likely the damage is already done and the writing is on the wall, plus many of you are happy to write him off as we have enough player`s to cope in his absence.

TBH i think most people thought it was bad business when we signed him.

(Off topic and a bit trivial but he is the only player, that I can find a picture of, to hold up an away shirt in his publicity photo when signing for us. I know someone will have to double check that.)

[Mission Unlikely Promotion]

TBH i think most people thought it was bad business when we signed him.

(Off topic and a bit trivial but he is the only player, that I can find a picture of, to hold up an away shirt in his publicity photo when signing for us. I know someone will have to double check that.)

Thats where he has gone wrong, cursed at that point

[ALADINSANE]

Our last two defensive displays have been pretty much exemplary. This is a great move for Mills and the club. Those who're crying over this guy leaving ON LOAN need to take a hard look at themselves quite frankly, because St.Ledger and Morgan are five times the player Mills is

I agree with you Matt Mills eeee orrrrr !

[Aylestone Fox]

I'm never one to get on player's backs, and I agree that Mills posesses some good ability. But in this situation, he was rightfully dropped after a dismal performance, and the sounds coming out of the press suggest that he threw his toys out of the pram big time. Unlike SSL, who bucked his ideas up and fought for a place, Mills seems to have sulked and let the price tag go to his head.

The people I am getting on the backs of, and I feel rightly so, are people on this forum who are berating Pearson for this decision when we have a back pairing in SSL and Morgan who are more than doing the business, and cover in Bamba and, on a good day, Tunch.

That's 4 defenders that, between them, cost roughly the same as Mills alone.

Pearson out just for figuring out our clubs biggest waste of wonga since Akinbadbuy? Get a grip, folks.

Everybody needs to fight for their place, and Mills seems to have in his head that he's above that just because he cost a few quid. That's poison to team morale if ever I heard one, and I for one would be perfectly happy not to see him play for us again.

It's Bullard at Hull all over again - he's a good player, but one who simply does not work with Pearson's ethic.

We don't need Mills.

I havent berated Pearson, I like what he's done, stamping his authority and wanting the team to be as one.

Mill's value (thats been stated hundreds of times) was nothing to do with Mills personally...cant hold that aginst HIM, tho fans have.

Whilst I agree he doesnt appear to have done himself any favours recently he hasnt been as bad some users of this forum are making out,.its like I said somewhere before, Mill's = marmite you either like him or you dont,..as with alot of players I suppose,.it wasnt long ago Wellens was being bombed out but 2/3 decent performances and he's left alone (for a while),..

I think there are better topics to discuss than something our opinions will have no bearing on whatsoever,...this place gets tooooo serious sometimes,...

[Libertine Dream]

After the Watford game I said Sven is still to blame as it's mostly still his mess. I got laughed at but this is an example of Sven's doing and many of you are blaming him for the signing of Mills and giving him the captaincy. Just saying.

Not that I think Mills is a bad play, overpriced but better than some give him credit for, will remember his block at Forest.

[TrentFox]

Fascinating. Turned on expecting usual nonsense after a non-game weekend to find this ! Wow ! Missed it until now. Scanned the opinions - many of which are undoubtedly formed irrespective of any real information beyond their own prejudices ... so thought I'd do the same ! What concerns me about this whole saga, (and none of us really knows what happened), is NP's inflexibility. Some will argue that's a good thing .. rod of iron and all that bollocks. I just can't help thinking that if ever he does take us to the Promised Land, (which looks highly unlikely at this moment), who is he going to buy in the PL ? I'm guessing they'll come with hefty price tags and hefty egos ? Will he be similarly inflexible that he cannot man-manage a talented player with (possibly) a questionable attitude into playing an important part in the squad ? Who knows ? Not me, that's for sure. But a sad day for me that this was considered the best way forward.

[Mission Unlikely Promotion]

Fascinating. Turned on expecting usual nonsense after a non-game weekend to find this ! Wow ! Missed it until now. Scanned the opinions - many of which are undoubtedly formed irrespective of any real information beyond their own prejudices ... so thought I'd do the same ! What concerns me about this whole saga, (and none of us really knows what happened), is NP's inflexibility. Some will argue that's a good thing .. rod of iron and all that bollocks. I just can't help thinking that if ever he does take us to the Promised Land, (which looks highly unlikely at this moment), who is he going to buy in the PL ? I'm guessing they'll come with hefty price tags and hefty egos ? Will he be similarly inflexible that he cannot man-manage a talented player with (possibly) a questionable attitude into playing an important part in the squad ? Who knows ? Not me, that's for sure. But a sad day for me that this was considered the best way forward.

Couldnt agree with you more on this point

[Babylon]

Bad buisness for us a club if Mills is to leave, we will be lucky to recoup 2million for him I reckon. Undoubtly Mills has gone about thing`s in the wrong manner and he should have learned from the whole episode with St ledger, I disagree with a lot of people questioning if Mills has ability because from what I have seen this season he has contributed toward`s goal`s and putting in match winning performance`s. Through the season he may not have been consistent, but how can you expect the guy to come in and perform in a team that has very rarely had the same line-up from game to game! especially with defence changing a lot. From what I watched against derby, I think Mills is a better defender than Morgan! this is just my opinion btw, Derby aren`t the best team and Morgan doesn`t have pace, so still to be convinced if he will stay in defence with the return of Bamba.

This is a massive decision by Pearson, and may I remind everyone that Pearson doesn`t always get it right! prefect example is when he sold Gradel to leeds and he went on to flourish! we can`t afford to let player`s like that slip through the net! I think personally Pearson could live to regret this unless Mills goes to leeds and has a good hard look at himself and Make`s and effort to apologise. More than likely the damage is already done and the writing is on the wall, plus many of you are happy to write him off as we have enough player`s to cope in his absence.

Gradel requested to leave, Pearson had little choice. Not comparable.

[accessory]

Gradel requested to leave

Only after Pearson had bought Gallagher and N'Guessan. That sent a clear message to Maxi that Peason didn't rate him.

[Leicfox]

I can tell you there are a few people within the club saying "I told you so" because Mills came with a reputation regarding his attitude - Sven and his advisers didn't want to listen and Mills was duly signed. Unfortunately NP is the one having to sort out the mess and if I was a betting man I'd say you won't see Mills in a City shirt again unless he changes his attitude ( highly unlikely ) or we have a spate of injuries. Luckily for us at present money isn't too much of a problem so if we sell him at a loss so what ? Rather do that than keep a disruptive influence in the dressing room.

Attitude reflects leadership but show me a leader with bad attitude and NP will show you the door.

[Babylon]

Tbh this proves my point about Pearson he's a fvcking idoit,A club around the same area as us in the table and we loan them supposedly our best CB?

Supposedly? Who's this according to, because on form he's about level in 4th place with Tunchev.

People need to get a bloody grip. I'm not sure about Pearson looking like a ****ing idiot, but there are a few people in this thread that do.

Not going to games or calling for someones head because an average CB throws his dummy out. Grow up people.

[Bert]

Supposedly? Who's this according to, because on form he's about level in 4th place with Tunchev.

People need to get a bloody grip. I'm not sure about Pearson looking like a ****ing idiot, but there are a few people in this thread that do.

Not going to games or calling for someones head because an average CB throws his dummy out. Grow up people.

Totally agree

[paddy Agyemang]

Think we should keep him not loan him as he has glimses of class at times ( not many ) but he is our most expensive player and I believe that he could have a future.not so sure if Tunchev has tho

Yes Pearson has fell out with him maybe but so did SSL and now look at him, he's our best centre back

[5waller5]

Can't help being concerned by the very quick nature of the club captain's exit.

NP displays a petulance, arrogance and rudeness whenever he's interviewed that suggests he doesn't want to be questioned. He's ultra defensive to even the simplest and most mundane football interview question.

We all have to just imagine what has gone on behind closed doors and draw our own conclusions based upon our assumptions ... I can't help feeling that anyone that questions NP's authority or judgement is instantly reacted against. It smacks off a manager (in the broadest sense, not necessarily football) that lacks confidence and conviction in his own ability.

It's the crushing autocracy of a weak leader in my opinion, someone that can't justify himself, take criticism or use his wit to turn around a subordinate's opinion.

Or .... you could just say he doesn't take any sh*t and that's what's needed in a football changing room.

Guess it's why we love the game!

[Jobyfox]

Fascinating. Turned on expecting usual nonsense after a non-game weekend to find this ! Wow ! Missed it until now. Scanned the opinions - many of which are undoubtedly formed irrespective of any real information beyond their own prejudices ... so thought I'd do the same ! What concerns me about this whole saga, (and none of us really knows what happened), is NP's inflexibility. Some will argue that's a good thing .. rod of iron and all that bollocks. I just can't help thinking that if ever he does take us to the Promised Land, (which looks highly unlikely at this moment), who is he going to buy in the PL ? I'm guessing they'll come with hefty price tags and hefty egos ? Will he be similarly inflexible that he cannot man-manage a talented player with (possibly) a questionable attitude into playing an important part in the squad ? Who knows ? Not me, that's for sure. But a sad day for me that this was considered the best way forward.

Mmmmm.... let me try and think of a few single minded, inflexible managers who give the press a hard time ....

Er .... Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Martin O'Neill. Mind you that Peter Taylor bloke was pretty media savvy and seemed a nice guy!

[5waller5]

Mmmmm.... let me try and think of a few single minded, inflexible managers who give the press a hard time ....

Er .... Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Martin O'Neill. Mind you that Peter Taylor bloke was pretty media savvy and seemed a nice guy!

Not sure I follow that at all .... all three of those managers give honest and entertaining interviews .... MON was a pundit whilst not managing, and the other two give fantastic interviews ... all three very media savvy, the only time they give the media a hard time is when they ask a dumb question .... NP just doesn't like being challenged. Not even comparable.

[Captain...]

What concerns me about this whole saga, (and none of us really knows what happened), is NP's inflexibility. Some will argue that's a good thing .. rod of iron and all that bollocks. I just can't help thinking that if ever he does take us to the Promised Land, (which looks highly unlikely at this moment), who is he going to buy in the PL ? I'm guessing they'll come with hefty price tags and hefty egos ? Will he be similarly inflexible that he cannot man-manage a talented player with (possibly) a questionable attitude into playing an important part in the squad ? Who knows ? Not me, that's for sure. But a sad day for me that this was considered the best way forward.

I am not sure about inflexible, he handled the SSL drama and noe SSL is back in the team and they have made their peace, he has also got more out of Beckford (big ego) than Sven.

From what I know of what happened, Pearson dropped Mills, (again showing flexibility and strength to drop anyone for the good of the team) Mills didn't like it and threw a strop, you cannot have someone in the team who believes he is undroppable and then has a "vile rant" when he is dropped, despite winning the game and NP being proved correct to drop him.

Can't help being concerned by the very quick nature of the club captain's exit.

NP displays a petulance, arrogance and rudeness whenever he's interviewed that suggests he doesn't want to be questioned. He's ultra defensive to even the simplest and most mundane football interview question.

We all have to just imagine what has gone on behind closed doors and draw our own conclusions based upon our assumptions ... I can't help feeling that anyone that questions NP's authority or judgement is instantly reacted against. It smacks off a manager (in the broadest sense, not necessarily football) that lacks confidence and conviction in his own ability.

It's the crushing autocracy of a weak leader in my opinion, someone that can't justify himself, take criticism or use his wit to turn around a subordinate's opinion.

Or .... you could just say he doesn't take any sh*t and that's what's needed in a football changing room.

I think the best thing about it is it has been dealt with quickly, would you like it turning into a Tevez style saga? I don't think he can be that horrible a manager when it was his old players that were largely responsible for his return. What he wants is to get a return to the team spirit that we had in his first spell and if Mills or DJ Campbell or SSL or Wayne Brown or anyone else are going to damage team spirit he will not tolerate it.

Under Sven it was claimed the players had too much power and Sven couldn't control them, now under NP we have some discipline and people are still complaining.

NP is the manager and, rightly in my opinion, it is his way or fvck off, or would you prefer Sven getting the players to all sit down and write out why they think they are struggling?

[5waller5]

Mmmmm.... let me try and think of a few single minded, inflexible managers who give the press a hard time ....

Er .... Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Martin O'Neill. Mind you that Peter Taylor bloke was pretty media savvy and seemed a nice guy!

In fact, I couldn't disagree the more i think about it ..... Peter Taylor wasn't media savvy - always seemed nervous when interviewed. Don't think you thought this post through!