philce Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Next season I'm going to make a thread which has every fixture, and I'm going to note down how many points we lost/gained in each game as a result of refereeing decisions. At the end I'll add it all up and we'll see for once. I am convinced that refs have cost us at least 5 points this season with some outright appalling decisions. How many times was Kisnorbo sent off the other year? And the pens awarded in the process? Red cards rescinded, but the points are lost. Lets see if anything comes from the "goal" at QPR the other week. (if they do introduce any goal line technology). It seems every other major sport has some kind of technology, why not football?
Captain... Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 How many times was Kisnorbo sent off the other year? And the pens awarded in the process? Red cards rescinded, but the points are lost. Lets see if anything comes from the "goal" at QPR the other week. (if they do introduce any goal line technology). It seems every other major sport has some kind of technology, why not football? I don't think there is anyway we can use anything like hawkeye in football, it is just too congested and too many variables, in cricket the ball can be tracked against the ground and it's further movement predicted, likewise in tennis, it is tracked against the ground and the impact is measured, in football you have 22 people all trying to get something on the ball all at the same time, I can't see any sort of advanced technology working. The only feasible and simplest solution is TV refs, give the 4th official something to watch, stick a camera on the goal line and let him view instant replays, as my mate said after watching the QPR game it took longer faffing around getting Joey Barton to take the corner from inside the line than it did for sky to show a replay of the ball clearly crossing the line. The problem would be the reliance on it, refs are clueless enough when making decisions. Then there are further issues to iron out, such as can it be used to dispute a corner or a throw-in, what about diving, will the captain be able to make a referral to the 4th official or will it be at the descretion of the ref, or can the 4th Official override the ref at will? I think we need to just have a trial, arrange some friendlies in the summer and test it out, see how it works, but something needs to be done because more and more terrible decisions seem to be made and we are being left behind by rugby, cricket, tennis in terms of technology and fair play.
ajthefox Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 We have had some seriously bad refereeing this year but it's not an excuse and I actually hate how people think that we have some kind of right to claim back points, or at least that we are owed them because of mistakes. Get over yourselves.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 I think the general standard of Championship reffing has fallen. I can usually see a difference in class when we get a Prem League reffing one of our games. They usually (not always) seem more composed, more in control of the players and a bit more discretionary in their decision making. Some of the Champ level refs we have had this year have been rubbish by any standard. However, we are where we are due to our own misgivings. Don't want to make any excuses.
ousefox Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 The referees this season have cost us just as much as our bad perfomances in my opinion. Can't think of any dodgy decisions we ourselves have benefitted from, so the evening themselves out argument is a load of shit. We can't blame the refs for us not going up, but it would be interesting to see where we would be had we had competent referees all season.
Burmesefox Posted 23 March 2012 Author Posted 23 March 2012 shit football, shit refs.... of course the prem refs are better - that's life. We wouldn't expect the best refs to be doing park footie would we. What makes me laugh is: 1. We watch and study the football league show with the benefit of the pause button and various different tv angles to scream out aloud that we were robbed and yet a ref has to make a decision in a fraction of the time. 2. Foreigh imports have led to a massive amount of cheating in our game with play acting. If player x dives HE is robbiong player y's team of points - not the ref. It's the players that cheat and so if the clubs get together they can stamp a lot of this out. 3. The letter of the law is now a lot stricter so a slight brush in times gone by was just that, now it is carte blanche for a dive that Tom Daley would be proud of. 4. When a ball clearly crosses the line (as with QPR) why don't the opposing team acknowldege this and inform the ref - others? otherwise it's cheating. 5. For all the oldies out there the game has sped up massively since the 70's and a ref's job is even harder especially given the hassle they receive from the players. 6. We all add up points lost owing to bad decisions but we dont add up the points won when things fall in our favour. 7. If refs are shit in this league they are shit for all clubs. Essentially, stop blaming the refs and start looking a little closer to home for this season's underachievement.
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 They have been shit for us this season but it's not there fault we have been awful! I said the ref was wrong with the Nugent decision against blackpool and I have watched it back and it wasn't a penalty
halferowley2 Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 The problem is that we, as fans, dwell on decisions made against us, and forget or even do not see the decisions that go in our favour. This thread can appear on every single club's forum across the country and I guarantee that the same proportion of fans for each club will feel that their club has come off the worst end of refereeing decisions. Results do even themselves out across the course of time. I think managers would be best to concentrate on their own teams inabilities rather those of the refs. That is really well said Burmesefox and so sensible, unfortunately when Im at the game my brain goes out the window cos I just support the Foxes not bothered about other teams/fans/refs problems - sorry.
Legend_in_blue Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 The title of this thread is wrong. It should read "Ref's have cost us at least 9 points this season". The games I have watched at home have been more about the referee than the game itself. Away from home we haven't faired much better. True, you cannot blame our current predicament on the officiating across the whole season but it has certainly played it's part - and far too much for my liking. Who is the referee tomorrow? The top and bottom of it is this: the name of the official is something I look out for more than the scanning the names on the team sheet. Sounds totally nuts, and yes it is, but it shouldn't be if the officials did their jobs properly. Last home game case in point, NP blew up at the 4th official on more than one occasion. Wouldn't need to happen if decent decisions were made. But as I said at the top, no I'm not blaming it all on the officials but they have more than played their part over the course of this season.
Matt Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Do people actually watch other teams games week in, week out? Again I'm not supporting referees because I'm soon to get on their backs when the make blatant wrong decisions but these people who are saying the decisions even themselves out over a season cliche is wrong because that havn't for us, which is true, however do people think we are the only club in the league to be hard done by by referees? Ok so we havn't had things even themselves out for us, but I'm sure other clubs even the clubs at the top of the league have lost many points due to bad decisions by a referee, so in that way maybe things have evened themselves out, again I can't comment because I havn't watched other teams games week in, week out but I dare say these people who constantly feel there is a conspiracy against LCFC or that always feel hard done by also don't watch other clubs and see what bad decisions go against other clubs. That of course is still wrong, doesn't solve anything and referees shouldn't be making these bad decisions and I'm not disputing that but as I said earlier in the thread (or in another thread where several people are blaming something other than the team and feeling hard done by) I'm sick of people blaming anything but our team, looking for excuses for our team, and feeling hard done by, they are in denial and need to take a step back and realise.
mhs123 Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Biggest myth in the history of football. Does it bollocks. yes it does pal
Haydos Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Tennis - played on third of an acre with 6 line judges, 1 umpire, 1 ref. Football - played on over an acre with 2 linesman, 1 ref, 1 fourt official Yeah, because that's comparable.
Tielemans63 Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Bad defending & poor concentration has cost us more than anything this season.
deep blue Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 And an adverse affect of every other team too I'm sure. In your own words, "so you've seen every game and analysed every decision?".
Jackirius Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Not sarcastic at all the states it's a myth well then prove it. The whole point of myths is that you can't prove them...
Corky Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 yes it does pal I'm sure they don't totally even themselves out.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 Makes me to see the nonsense about refs costing us so many points. Sour grapes is all it is. Every club suffers from poor decisions, but the way some puerile's castigate the referee on this site is well and truly banal.
Guest shearfox Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 I could look at most teams this season and they could claim the same, the standards are just poor. We only have ourselves to blame for the position we are in.
Out Foxed Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 I could look at most teams this season and they could claim the same, no you couldn't
Guy Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 I think some of the refereeing decisions this season have been a disgrace and whilst everyone claims they're unlucky with refs, the amount of times things have gone against us this year is astounding and I wouldn't even be surprised to find there is a dislike for Leicester. I agree with what someone said a few weeks back about it, maybe Leicester have just got a reputation for being a bunch of cvnts in the referees assosiation and we don't get the benefit of the doubt as a result. But when you look back to decisions like Schmeichel against Forest, Beckford at Brighton etc... you really wonder what the ref's thinking. I've actually thought in the past maybe you get a better view from the stands than you do on the pitch, because it's very often you find the majority of the crowd think one thing and the ref thinks another. A few things have gone our way, Konchesky v Swindon is the obvious one for me, definite red card. But I think in terms of big decisions evening themselves out, I'm saying this trying to be as unbiased (and probably not sounding it) as possible, but there's absolutely no way it's been good to us this season. Good post. I think the only way things will even themselves out is if we have an entire next season where everything that went against us this season will go in our favour next. Everyone will really hate us then as we stroll to the title with two months left to spare!
Narborough Bod Posted 23 March 2012 Posted 23 March 2012 So which home game was it recently, where the ball bounced up in the area and hit Marshall's wayward hand. No pen but could easily have been given against us. We were only one up or drawing at the time, decision went for us but no one remembered it. And that's just one pro city decision I remember.
acooling08 Posted 24 March 2012 Posted 24 March 2012 If Hull get anything today then another 2 points. Bald cvnt.
theessexfox Posted 24 March 2012 Posted 24 March 2012 If Hull get anything today then another 2 points. Bald cvnt. It was a red...
Salieri Posted 24 March 2012 Posted 24 March 2012 If Hull get anything today then another 2 points. Bald cvnt. The only cvnt is Danns for that ridiculous tackle.
acooling08 Posted 24 March 2012 Posted 24 March 2012 Is wasn't dangerous.. his studs were not up. If Danns should have had a red then so should the Hull player.
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