bridlington Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Just to keep you all updated, latest from the hull daily mail... http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/story-16632701-detail/story.html Sceptical either way to be honest, his agent very much playing the agents game would be my reading of it. Almost a final call to Leicester to offer better terms than us.
Billy_Britain_HCAFC Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Looks like Koren is staying with Hull City.. Steve Bruce had been in talks with James McFadden, maybe this pushed Koren (and his agent) over the line. Pearson is determined to sign at least one Hull City player this summer.. Stewart (Failed) Chester (Failed) Koren (Failed) Mark Cullen is available..
Happy Fox Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Koren hasn't signed anything just yet so don't get all cocky as bridlington says if we up the ante with the offer of wages he will probably come here imo.
Mark_w Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 If we wanted him and he wanted to join I imagine it would have been done before now. But Raw Dykes is right, it's not the end of the world, Marshall looked great in the same role Koren seems to prefer, and I reckon it's Gallagher's best position as well (As he'll be back-up). It would be nice to sign Koren but it's hardly the end of the world if we don't, we've got experience in the middle already with Danns and when he comes back Wellens players who can be used when we need a cool head. The squad is shaping up nicely, we've got 5 natural Central Midfielders, while it would be nice to sign him, it was made clear last season that we aren't going to collect players, and in the new lad, Marshall, Vardy, Drinkwater and Danns (Or James and King) we've already got everything we need for a 4-3-3/4-5-1. Hopefully a deal can be done but I doubt it will, and I think saying we 'need' him is going a bit over the top.
jimmer Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 If we wanted him and he wanted to join I imagine it would have been done before now. But Raw Dykes is right, it's not the end of the world, Marshall looked great in the same role Koren seems to prefer, and I reckon it's Gallagher's best position as well (As he'll be back-up). It would be nice to sign Koren but it's hardly the end of the world if we don't, we've got experience in the middle already with Danns and when he comes back Wellens players who can be used when we need a cool head. The squad is shaping up nicely, we've got 5 natural Central Midfielders, while it would be nice to sign him, it was made clear last season that we aren't going to collect players, and in the new lad, Marshall, Vardy, Drinkwater and Danns (Or James and King) we've already got everything we need for a 4-3-3/4-5-1. Hopefully a deal can be done but I doubt it will, and I think saying we 'need' him is going a bit over the top. I agree with the majority of your post Mark....but this bit made me chuckle
Mark_w Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 I agree with the majority of your post Mark....but this bit made me chuckle Ok, maybe he doesn't offer that . But he's still a good player to bring on to help break up the oppositions play, certainly if we are playing a three man midfield then coming off the bench he could be very useful IMO.
Simmo86 Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Looks like Koren is staying with Hull City.. Steve Bruce had been in talks with James McFadden, maybe this pushed Koren (and his agent) over the line. Pearson is determined to sign at least one Hull City player this summer.. Stewart (Failed) Chester (Failed) Koren (Failed) Mark Cullen is available.. Does the thought of Nigel not signing a Hull player make you fill your pants?
Nick Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 no CAM in 4-4-2. I'm guessing against Peterborough it will be: Kasper De Leat Whitbread Morgan Koncheskey Marshall Danns Drinkwater Knockaert Nugent Vardy We now appear to have the players to play 442 451 4231 etc etc is drink water a playmaker, a holding midfielder, defensive? Edit and won't Vardy be used right wing and Knockaert left?
Mark_w Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Edit and won't Vardy be used right wing and Knockaert left? I imagine it's more likely Vardy would be on the left with Knockaert on the right. The Fleetwood fans seemed to think Vardy was as good on the left wing as upfront.
Nick Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 I'm just wondering where the defensive hard tackling midfield playmaker is in this side.
Deucalion Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 If we play more than 2 in central midfield then we don't need a midfield cruncher so much. The squad Pearson is assembling does lend itself to formations other than 4-4-2. On Koren, I'm not sure we need him anymore and I'm not sure it's worth breaking the bank for him when we have younger players who can do the same job, such as Marshall and Knockaert. Let's not forget one of Gallagher's many talents is attacking central midfielder too. Where does Koren fit?
Simmo86 Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 If we play more than 2 in central midfield then we don't need a midfield cruncher so much. The squad Pearson is assembling does lend itself to formations other than 4-4-2. On Koren, I'm not sure we need him anymore and I'm not sure it's worth breaking the bank for him when we have younger players who can do the same job, such as Marshall and Knockaert. Let's not forget one of Gallagher's many talents is attacking central midfielder too. Where does Koren fit? He doesn't. We've got no room for him.
TrentFox Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 no CAM in 4-4-2. I'm guessing against Peterborough it will be: Kasper De Leat Whitbread Morgan Koncheskey Marshall Danns Drinkwater Knockaert Nugent Vardy It isn't my first choice formation, but I suspect that is probably the starting line-up / formation vs Posh, depending on injuries. Possibly Futacs for Vardy, depending on pre-season.
hackneyfox Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 I don't want 3 touch or girlygirl any where near the first team. Is it possible that amongst this glut of midfielders that one of the buggers may be capable of taking a corner that clears the first defender.
Simo86 Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 I don't want 3 touch or girlygirl any where near the first team. Is it possible that amongst this glut of midfielders that one of the buggers may be capable of taking a corner that clears the first defender. Ben Marshall?
kingfox Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 I would rather take Koren over Drinkwater in the starting 11 anyday. We simply have no goalscoring midfielder, Marshall is the only one who will chip in with a few now and then. To get promotion, we need King to start and hit form, or just simply sign Koren, we need goals from midfield to get us promoted. With just Marshall capable of scoring goals, and King and Gallagher most likely on the bench this season we won't get anywhere. Southampton got promoted because Guly and Lallana scored goals. West Ham signed Vaz Te and had Kevin Nolan. Reading had Kebe, McAnuff and Leigertwood who were all capable of scoring goals, and they had Ian Harte a goalscoring left-back. Norwich had Hoolahan when they got promoted and QPR had Taarabt. These players were all scoring goals, King was on fire two season's ago and his goals made us a top six side, then last season his goals dried up dramatically then we lacked our goalscoring midfielder and we struggled. If King doesn't get 15-20 again, or we don't sign Koren we will simply miss out on promotion and probably won't even make top six.
Mark_w Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Step 1: Claim we have no goalscoring midfielders. Step 2: List three of our goalscoring midfielders.
Simmo86 Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 I would rather take Koren over Drinkwater in the starting 11 anyday. We simply have no goalscoring midfielder, Marshall is the only one who will chip in with a few now and then. To get promotion, we need King to start and hit form, or just simply sign Koren, we need goals from midfield to get us promoted. With just Marshall capable of scoring goals, and King and Gallagher most likely on the bench this season we won't get anywhere. Southampton got promoted because Guly and Lallana scored goals. West Ham signed Vaz Te and had Kevin Nolan. Reading had Kebe, McAnuff and Leigertwood who were all capable of scoring goals, and they had Ian Harte a goalscoring left-back. Norwich had Hoolahan when they got promoted and QPR had Taarabt. These players were all scoring goals, King was on fire two season's ago and his goals made us a top six side, then last season his goals dried up dramatically then we lacked our goalscoring midfielder and we struggled. If King doesn't get 15-20 again, or we don't sign Koren we will simply miss out on promotion and probably won't even make top six. Goals wasn't really our problem last year either. Keeping them out was!
Rusko187 Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 I would rather take Koren over Drinkwater in the starting 11 anyday. We simply have no goalscoring midfielder, Marshall is the only one who will chip in with a few now and then. To get promotion, we need King to start and hit form, or just simply sign Koren, we need goals from midfield to get us promoted. With just Marshall capable of scoring goals, and King and Gallagher most likely on the bench this season we won't get anywhere. Southampton got promoted because Guly and Lallana scored goals. West Ham signed Vaz Te and had Kevin Nolan. Reading had Kebe, McAnuff and Leigertwood who were all capable of scoring goals, and they had Ian Harte a goalscoring left-back. Norwich had Hoolahan when they got promoted and QPR had Taarabt. These players were all scoring goals, King was on fire two season's ago and his goals made us a top six side, then last season his goals dried up dramatically then we lacked our goalscoring midfielder and we struggled. If King doesn't get 15-20 again, or we don't sign Koren we will simply miss out on promotion and probably won't even make top six. Agree with this post completely......... but don't recall QPR having a "goalscoring" forward
Happy Fox Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Goals wasn't really our problem last year either. Keeping them out was! Our goal difference wasn't that bad, our midfield lacking that steel was, i.e lack of a defensive midfielder imo.
Marmite Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 I would rather take Koren over Drinkwater in the starting 11 anyday. We simply have no goalscoring midfielder, Marshall is the only one who will chip in with a few now and then. To get promotion, we need King to start and hit form, or just simply sign Koren, we need goals from midfield to get us promoted. With just Marshall capable of scoring goals, and King and Gallagher most likely on the bench this season we won't get anywhere. Southampton got promoted because Guly and Lallana scored goals. West Ham signed Vaz Te and had Kevin Nolan. Reading had Kebe, McAnuff and Leigertwood who were all capable of scoring goals, and they had Ian Harte a goalscoring left-back. Norwich had Hoolahan when they got promoted and QPR had Taarabt. These players were all scoring goals, King was on fire two season's ago and his goals made us a top six side, then last season his goals dried up dramatically then we lacked our goalscoring midfielder and we struggled. If King doesn't get 15-20 again, or we don't sign Koren we will simply miss out on promotion and probably won't even make top six. Probably the most sense someone has spoke on here for a long time
marty78 Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Ha ha. How many midfielders score 15-20 goals a season. Not too many I would of thought. No wonder people don't rate our midfielders if that is the expectation on them.
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Goals wasn't really our problem last year either. Keeping them out was! Not really true mate. Look at the assists table for the season. Only Nugent and Wellens appeared and they were well down the order.... King Fox is right (did I just say that) ... We created so few goals last season from the middle of the park or the flanks. The likes of Lallana, Snodgrass, Burke, Whittigham etc made a massive difference to the goals tally for the front men of the respective teams. Many of Nugents goals for example, were made and taken by himself. Our assists from our midfield players last season was terrible. And keeping them out was also down to some extent to the weedy midfield we had which was completely overrun time after time when sides hit us on the counter attack. The midfield is where the main problem lay last season both going forward and defensively. I hope that's not going to be so much of a problem this season. Not sure though. The issue for me is not really about the midfielders themselves scoring goals, although that's useful, it's more about making them for the forward players. Koren can do both very well.
kingfox Posted 2 August 2012 Posted 2 August 2012 Goals wasn't really our problem last year either. Keeping them out was! Yep and that aswell, but it's not rocket science simmo. If King scored more goals we would of probably managed top six, and I honestly believe that. We will not get anywhere, playing Danns and Drinkwater in midfield, they lack creativity, they lack strength in midfield(most teams will maul these two players apart) and the most important thing they don't score goals. King needs to hit form, or we need to sign Koren. Schmeichel De Laet, Morgan, St Ledger, Konchesky Marshall, Danns, Koren, Knockaert Nugent, Vardy Even with the little change of Koren, that team looks much stronger without Drinkwater, a goalscoring midfielder can simply change things for the better.
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