Fox in the North Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Just one thing that always winds me up... "Manchester United defender Jonny Evans: "It's the hardest game we've had this season and we were probably lucky to see it 2-1 at half-time. You have to show character in games like this - it's a tough game. On Torres sending-off: "At the time I didn't feel like I'd made contact. I've seen it again and there was contact, but not enough to bring him down. I think the referee has made the right decision to send him off." I hate it when players say this as its like why do you need to see a replay if you yourself was involved, you yourself know that if you made contact or didn't. It annoys me when its the other way round too, when a player goes down and says he wasn't sure there was contact, but then says there might/might not have been contact in the replay. I know its a wind up, and I know what are they supposed to say but it still annoys me. Rant over
Guest ttfn Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Players not being good enough for the premier league is just life, that is why the premier league is the best league in the country and down through the leagues the skill level of players get gradually worse. When it comes to officiating the rules and rules, that doesn't change, a referee is there to make sure the game abides by the rules, it simply doesn't change, a rule is a rule and the game should be run by the right rules no matter what league or what player abilty you are officiating. You are correct, we don't have enough referees, the standard isn't good enough and we are picking from a finite pool, but if the FA did something about them, helped them by simply introducing technology or aiding them by other means maybe that will make being a referee more appealing to people - There wouldn't be as much flack, so people would be more interested, the decisions are there in black and white so there would be not as much (if any) slagging off of referee or abusing referees, making it much more appealing. But part of the reason that these guys continue to referee despite making mistakes is that nobody else is good enough. Somebody has to referee these matches. You or I might think we could do a better job, but I bet we couldn't. The speed of the game at the top level is ridiculous; mistakes are bound to be made. I still don't understand your first point. The best referees should referee at the top level, and the next best batch at Championship level and so on. Some referees are better than others, but it's a sliding scale.
Corky Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Evans has dived in twice in recent weeks and the opponent has been sent off. Torres was caught, how much doesn't matter when Young was caught and went over, which was a red card.
Super_horns Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Felt a bit sorry for Chelsea for once. Mind you trouble is players dive so much its hardly a surprise one official was going to get it wrong.. What the linesman's view blocked for the winner I wonder? Very good game though and the Liverpool/Everton sounded good.
Corky Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Felt a bit sorry for Chelsea for once. Mind you trouble is players dive so much its hardly a surprise one official was going to get it wrong.. What the linesman's view blocked for the winner I wonder? Very good game though and the Liverpool/Everton sounded good. With the Hernandez goal, he was level when he touched the ball, but offside when the ball was played to him, so I can see why the linesman missed it.
davieG Posted 28 October 2012 Author Posted 28 October 2012 Players not being good enough for the premier league is just life, that is why the premier league is the best league in the country and down through the leagues the skill level of players get gradually worse. When it comes to officiating the rules and rules, that doesn't change, a referee is there to make sure the game abides by the rules, it simply doesn't change, a rule is a rule and the game should be run by the right rules no matter what league or what player abilty you are officiating. You are correct, we don't have enough referees, the standard isn't good enough and we are picking from a finite pool, but if the FA did something about them, helped them by simply introducing technology or aiding them by other means maybe that will make being a referee more appealing to people - There wouldn't be as much flack, so people would be more interested, the decisions are there in black and white so there would be not as much (if any) slagging off of referee or abusing referees, making it much more appealing. I think you need to add a dose of realism to your reasoning. What you seemed to be saying is that every referee from PL down to the lowest level should be of the same standard that is the best that a human can achieve. Where are they supposed to learn their trade? Everyone in life has an off day now and again without a microscope and the benefit of hindsight why should referees be considered different? If a referee at any level fails to maintain the standard required then they need the opportunity to refresh the rules and quality of decisions where do you expect them to do that you can't just get rid of people every time they make an error. Ok if they consistently get things that are obvious to the naked eye and they are in a position to make the right decision but fans have a very blinkered and biased opinion, and i include myself in this when it comes to making these judgements. I regularly see examples of the majority of the Kop screaming at ref/linesman for making what they consider to be a decision when it's clear they are wrong, I'm talking corners and goalkicks mainly which I can view from my position inline with the goal line. As for the FA they have to follow FIFA apart from organising and training referees they have no significant input into how a match is run with regards to rules and technology. If we want to make their job easier perhaps we could start by getting the players to show a bit more integrity and honesty. Less diving, less shirt tugging, less screaming for free kicks, corners, throw-ins etc when they know darn well it's not the case.
Dylan Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 First sending off- minimal contact but agree it was a sending off. Second sending off- complete joke imo. Firstly, it was a definite FK, at that pace if he's getting even minimal contact he's going to go down, and the way Evans committed himself he's got no choice but to go down, no way you can evade that... once the whistle was blown, I was just waiting to see what colour Evans would get, wasn't even contemplating a red for Torres! And the last goal, well it was definitely offside... was obviously close and fast paced, but that's why these lineo's are in the Prem, cos they're meant to be the best and make these calls correct... and cos he's coming back from inside the goal, it was more than likely to be offside. Poor decisions overall, ruined a great game.
Haydos Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Even if there was no contact with Evans on Torres I'd be tempted to say red anyway, can't remember it perfectly but lunging in like that it looked like Torres either had to jump to avoid the tackle or get crunched. Don't see how it was a yellow for the life of me.
Dylan Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Some people (generally I've noticed its people who've never played football), seem to think no contact means dive/no free kick.... If he's taken action to avoid a bad challenge then it's still a free kick... the rules say 'kick/trip or attempt to kick/trip'
Jimothy Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Even if there was no contact with Evans on Torres I'd be tempted to say red anyway, can't remember it perfectly but lunging in like that it looked like Torres either had to jump to avoid the tackle or get crunched. Don't see how it was a yellow for the life of me. Well firstly there was contact, Evans kicked him in the shin. If the contact on Young at the other end is enough to bring him down, that's enough to bring Torres down. Either way its not a dive, Evans is lunging in and its dangerous. I think Gary Neville is spot on refs are getting in a mess with it, they don't know what's a dive and what isn't. Evans is making a habit of those kind of tackles and soon he's going to stop getting away with it, that's twice he's lunged in and inexplicably the opposition has walked.
Guest ttfn Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Even if there was no contact with Evans on Torres I'd be tempted to say red anyway, can't remember it perfectly but lunging in like that it looked like Torres either had to jump to avoid the tackle or get crunched. Don't see how it was a yellow for the life of me. Evans routinely tackles like this. He was sent off last season for a very poor lunge, similar to the one today but with 2 feet. He should have been sent off in the Shelvey tackle against Liverpool, should have been at least booked today for the tackle on Torres and made another very similar challenge on Ramires just after a free kick had been given 5 minutes from time. He is going to cause a number of serious injuries unless referees start to clamp down. Feel bad for Torres, although his karate kick on Cleverley in first half stoppage time could have brought a (harsh) red itself.
Matt Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Apparently Chelsea have complained about Mark Clattenburg using 'inappropriate language' towards two of their players. Here we go again
Father Ted Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Some people (generally I've noticed its people who've never played football) You mean 99.9% of Man Utd fans
foxfanazer Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 The ref was a disgrace today, ruined a great game. Chelsea to win the league
EnderbyFox Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 The turmoil at QPR continues as M'bia reveals he thought QPR played in Scotland when he agreed to join Link
Fox in the North Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Seems when Clatteburg actually forgot he'd already gave Torres a yellow card, whoops
ScouseFox Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Suarez's celebration was the best thing about the whole day. It was fúcking boss.
StanSP Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 Suarez's celebration was the best thing about the whole day. It was fúcking boss. It was a cuntish thing to do. Typical of him, really and expected nothing less. And he wonders why everyone hates him and thinks he is a little rat-boy.
Corky Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 It wasn't really. Moyes had been saying he, and others, would "drive people away from the game", which is ridiculous, so Suarez gave a little bit back, with some humour.
ScouseFox Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 I think if someone says something about you in the press, like Moyes did to Suarez he's fully entitled to have a go back. I think what he did was funnier and better than just going in the paper to respond. Fair play to him.
StanSP Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 It wasn't really. Moyes had been saying he, and others, would "drive people away from the game", which is ridiculous, so Suarez gave a little bit back, with some humour. I think if someone says something about you in the press, like Moyes did to Suarez he's fully entitled to have a go back. I think what he did was funnier and better than just going in the paper to respond. Fair play to him. Didn't find it funny 1 bit, but then my opinion is probably shrouded by the fact that I actually despise and hate Luis Suarez and all the further controversy of diving he's brought to the Premier League. I just can't stand it and the fact that nothing has been done in regards to it.
Corky Posted 28 October 2012 Posted 28 October 2012 I can't stand him either, but I thought it was a decent celebration. He'll go back to being disliked next week
AKCJ Posted 29 October 2012 Posted 29 October 2012 It wasn't really. Moyes had been saying he, and others, would "drive people away from the game", which is ridiculous, so Suarez gave a little bit back, with some humour. So you'd be perfectly happy about seeing your team lose a game in the last minute penalty due to a dive? Moyes is right, i'd be very pissed off and it's happening all the time.
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