Wolves away post match

[shen]

Errrr........1 + 3 = 4.

I'm talking about 2nd half injury time being too much. You do realise that what happens in the first half doesn't count?

Yup, my bad

[Kitchandro]

King was up against Karl Henry, a brutal thug, and Doumbia, who looked about 6'4 and 16 stone.

The correct way for players like King and Drinkwater to "impose" themselves in that situation is through moving the opposition about with short passes so they can't exert their physical domination.

What you seem to want is the equivalent of putting two chess players in a ring with two heavyweight boxers and suggesting they settle their differences with a punch up.

No what I'm saying is, if they aren't good enough to pass their way through, and they aren't physical enough to barge their way through, we need players who can do one of those things.

I've thought the same for some time, they both have some qualities but neither are particularly creative and they won't win a physical battle either. For the most part they're steady, sideways players. King will pop up with some goals but his all round game isn't good enough.

[Brenfox]

Once Whitbread is fit we will be a different defence. Just need to put our chances away

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Oh dear god! Really? You really want to start this? Do you seriously think that Knocky is going to be effective like that throughout a game? He can play the way he does when he comes on for the last ten minutes because the defenders have run out of steam. If he were to start and play like that he would be burnt out within the first ten minutes. Dyer plays completely differently. and also keeps shape, where as Knoky doesn't. I am not saying he isn't an excellent player because he is but he will just get chopped in this league and burn out quickly.

Oh and btw you sir are the tool.

How would you know one way or the other? Until he starts games that is impossible to know.

[jamesmilner]

too many of us thinking that the second half performance is acceptable when we miss chances and are playing against a team 2-0 up at home . wolves when 2-0 up didnt have to play well in the 2nd half, they just didnt have to concede 3 .their job was done in the first half as much as we played well in the 2nd .they let us play , they could they were 2-0 up ffs ! playing well never wins games, goals do ! our l/b scored but they had chances as well in 2nd half . our team isnt good at the mo , players aren't as good as they think they are and as good as the fans think they are . i dont know the answer but i know its just not right at our club concerning the playing staff . pearson doesnt conduct himself the same as when he was here last time , this time .his after game talk with stringer was embarrassing for me. i'll give it 10 games before i judge us as a team and where we are going , but the change needed for me to be positive about a realistic promotion target is a tough one . at the minute we are poor , improvement , winning , consistancy are miles away in my opinion . can we do it ? sure we can, but not like this (todays game) !!!!! oh my days !

[Ozwin]

We are such perennial underachievers, we are stuck in this league forever aren't we?

[Mack]

I've got to say I am very worried.

We Can't defend, and to compound that we are missing sitters.

Dark clouds are looming I think.

[Mack]

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[Guest Basildon Fox]

Three words... We can't defend.

Three more - Hit the target.

[Kitchandro]

too many of us thinking that the second half performance is acceptable when we miss chances and are playing against a team 2-0 up at home . wolves when 2-0 up didnt have to play well in the 2nd half, they just didnt have to concede 3 .their job was done in the first half as much as we played well in the 2nd .they let us play , they could they were 2-0 up ffs !

This exactly. Are people just judging on second half performances? The first half seems to have gone out the window. Saying we dominated most of the game is ridiculous because the first half we barely saw the ball.

Both halves count, that's why we lost 2-1 and didn't win 1-0.

Besides, we weren't much good in the second half either.

We are such perennial underachievers, we are stuck in this league forever aren't we?

Yes.

[NorthernFox]

We still look a decent team going forward and we do seem to be able to create enough chances to win. But I've got a headache from shouting at the tv for the amount of misplaced passes, slowness of thought, and the amount of silly fouls being given away. You can't afford to give 2 goals away from home and expect to win.

Would like to see Beckford given a two or three game run if he is staying (in place of Nugent) as I still think Vardy will come good.

Bring on Burnley and fingers crossed for 3 points.

[kingfox]

When did Drinkwater remember how to pass the ball? He still gave it away at almost every opportunity in the second half. You're way off the mark there.

He has been passing the ball very well this season until today.

I don't rate him, but I have to admit he has been a transformed figure this season.

He didn't do well today, giving the ball away taking rash long shots.

But im actually warming to the lad, he works well with King but today proved that he can easily struggle against physical midfielders like Henry and Doumbia.

Drinkwater has done well, but for some games I just think oh Drinkwater will definitely struggle today. In away games like today, we need ball winners and physical presence, but we just don't have that in King, Drinkwater and James.

And yes im coming back to the point about a defensive midfielder, but in some games you really need one, and against Wolves today that's something we were missing, along with a shambolic defensive performance in the first half.

But I enjoyed the second half, I thought we played pretty well as I said in another other post.

[Fox in the North]

Just needs to click I think, but at this rate it needs to click pronto.

[Kitchandro]

He has been passing the ball very well this season until today.

I don't rate him, but I have to admit he has been a transformed figure this season.

He didn't do well today, giving the ball away taking rash long shots.

But im actually warming to the lad, he works well with King but today proved that he can easily struggle against physical midfielders like Henry and Doumbia.

Drinkwater has done well, but for some games I just think oh Drinkwater will definitely struggle today. In away games like today, we need ball winners and physical presence, but we just don't have that in King, Drinkwater and James.

And yes im coming back to the point about a defensive midfielder, but in some games you really need one, and against Wolves today that's something we were missing, along with a shambolic defensive performance in the first half.

But I enjoyed the second half, I thought we played pretty well as I said in another other post.

I know usually he can pass the ball. But to what effect? I've rarely seen him split a defence open or get an assist. Or even find the man that's in acres of space.

He's a decent player but he doesn't make enough of an impact for my liking.

Anyway, the comment you quoted was just about today, I don't think he improved in the second half.

[Guest ttfn]

We still look a decent team going forward and we do seem to be able to create enough chances to win. But I've got a headache from shouting at the tv for the amount of misplaced passes, slowness of thought, and the amount of silly fouls being given away. You can't afford to

give 2 goals away from home and expect to win.

Would like to see Beckford given a two or three

game run if he is staying (in place of Nugent) as I still think Vardy will come good.

Bring on Burnley and fingers crossed for 3 points.

Beckford had a 2 or 3 game run at the start of the season.

He was crap, so he got dropped.

Not saying Nugent's done any better though.

[marbelladave]

Oh dear.......

Just back from the Pub, watched the game without the commentary and would have quite enjoyed it as a neutral. Lots of sloppy play from both sides which made it pretty exciting.

But I am not a neutral so, going for a lie down in a quiet room.......

Or maybe some music, where are my Joy Division CDs........

[tylesta]

Oh dear god! Really? You really want to start this? Do you seriously think that Knocky is going to be effective like that throughout a game? He can play the way he does when he comes on for the last ten minutes because the defenders have run out of steam. If he were to start and play like that he would be burnt out within the first ten minutes. Dyer plays completely differently. and also keeps shape, where as Knoky doesn't. I am not saying he isn't an excellent player because he is but he will just get chopped in this league and burn out quickly.

Oh and btw you sir are the tool.

o.k i get you now. each time dyer starts and has very little affect we will change him when we are losing chasing games and bring knocky on. yes brilliant. dyer is inafective he is poor imo he creates nothing i checked his assists since joining us and it aint even double figures.\

[Captain...]

Wow, 10 pages already, can't be arsed to read through, so I will just assume it is the usual bunch of knee jerkers and haters, with a smaterring of rational points lost under the tide of moronity.

From my point of view, we didn't play badly, just made some costly mistakes and they punished us, whilst we were wasteful in front of goal again.

We had the chances to take the points, and shouldn't have conceded either of those goals, it comes down to set-pieces really, if we can start to threaten from ours and actually score from them, then we would be top of this league, but conceding twice from poor defending at set-pieces is criminal and needs to be addressed.

Knocky must start next game, but more importantly we must cut out these basic errors in defence, all of our back 4 were guilty at least once today of sloppy play giving away possession.

But there is no need to panic I honestly believe we are just a small step away from being a great side, every time we play I get excited by the way we play, but so frustrated at the basic errors.

Anyway, stop the panicking, just relax, we have played 2 of the toughest fixtures in the league in Blackburn and Wolves away, we now have a run of easier games, and I expect us to pick up points and turn some of these teams over.

Keep the faith.

[i luv u foxes]

2-1 down in need of a goal and he goes for waghorn over beckford im sorry thats rubbish.

Knockaert has to start from now on he makes us look very good and everybody wants to give the ball to him

Have dyer as the impact sub to use his pace will make a difference in the last 30 minutes

vardy isnt doing enough for me nugent wasnt great today but cant fault his effort i like drinkwater but he also had a mare, kingy was looking good then off he went james was a bit better today in all fairness

de laet and konchesky at fault for goals

[TrentFox]

Wow, 10 pages already, can't be arsed to read through, so I will just assume it is the usual bunch of knee jerkers and haters, with a smaterring of rational points lost under the tide of moronity.

So you DID read the previous ten pages then ??

[kingfox]

I know usually he can pass the ball. But to what effect? I've rarely seen him split a defence open or get an assist. Or even find the man that's in acres of space.

He's a decent player but he doesn't make enough of an impact for my liking.

Anyway, the comment you quoted was just about today, I don't think he improved in the second half.

Like I said I don't rate him either, but have to admit he has somewhat improved.

You can't play well every game, Drinkwater didn't do well today his passing was shocking and his shooting was even worse.

But he has linked up well with King this season, played a couple of blinders this season has Drinkwater some MOTM worthy.

Sometimes he will play well, sometimes he won't it really depends on what midfield he comes up against, a physical midfield like today he tends to struggle, a similar midfield to us he plays well and usually controls things.

Drinkwater and Moore have been excellent in games this season, but for some reason they are getting absolutely slated today and calls for them to be dropped, which in my opinion is utter frustrated rubbish.

[marty78]

On a positive note we have 123 points to play for and two home games coming up.

[dnewty]

Did any one listen to pearson afterwards. Any highlights ?

[smudger63]

I think we need midfielders with some balls and determination. I know King is beloved by most on here but the way he played early on in this game is far too common for him. He should be a Premiership player but he lets himself down because he's too weak and doesn't do what he's good at enough.Like today, got the ball in some decent positions - got shrugged off it, or opted for the pussy pass instead of striding forward more and shooting. He could take games by the scruff of the nec with his talent, but he doesn't do it enough.

It wouldn't be such an issue if Drinkwater wasn't the same, he's also too weak and I'm rarely impressed when he tries to play the ball forward. He's usually good at passing it sidewards, retaining possession, but in games like today it's not enough. We can't just think 'lets give it to Marshall because he's the only one who can do anything' everytime we get the ball. Even if Marshall had played well today, it would have been irrelevant, sending good crosses in wouldn't have got us anymore goals than we did today. We need to find an alternative route to goal, through the middle for example. With out lack of creativity, physical strength and confidence to make something happen in the middle we are going to struggle.

People say 'lets play 3 in the middle away from home' but you could have 8 players in the middle - if they don't complement the balance of the team they won't do anything.

Excellent post in my eyes, completely agree.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

We cannot afford to be dropping so many points at the start of the season, which means we will be playing catch up. Not good.