Danns off to Bristol City on loan

[Bettsj2]

I say again I think it's because we have so few options, such that when we don't win, Danns' name gets thrown into the mix.

I've tried to say this consistently. Pearson's done so much better than Sven IMO. We now have a team, an ethos if you like. Where I have been disappointed is in that lack of signing a couple of players who are just BETTER than what we have.

Drinky, James, Kingy, Danns.... Who's obviously much better than anyone else? I think you can more or less get a fag paper between em.

Vardy, Waggy, Futacs... Who's obviously the best amongst em... Again they are about on a par with each other.

What disappointed me about Pearson is his indifference regarding going out and signing just a couple of players who are that bit better, who can push us on to the next level. Maybe this is about money? I don't really know.

That's why I'd be reluctant to get Chris Wood. Is he markedly better than what we already have? And that's why Danns' name keeps being mentioned. If King don't play well, who else is there who you would OBVIOUSLY replace him with?

I think its more to do with his transfer strategy. He wont just sign a player thats better than what we have, he wants a player that adds to the squad but also fits in, which is why he rarely makes a signing any of us mention as wanting.

This is also why we'll all be massively disappointed in January. He'll sign a couple of players that nobody has mentioned early on and that'll probably be it.

I dont disagree with this strategy as it served us well in his first spell and seems to be doing the job this time, but I can see the board going haywire.

[Corky]

Danns is better than James in my opinion. Ever since somebody called him a poor man's Andy King I just can't seem to shake that impression. Can't be arsed to look up the stats but I'm sure our points return in games where he has featured has been really poor. At the very least Danns offers us something different whereas increasingly the Matty James option seems to be 'less of the same'

Why is there this sudden need for these rather misleading stats to be known? It's not as though one player means our results are getting better or worse.

[_Fatboyslow_]

I say again I think it's because we have so few options, such that when we don't win, Danns' name gets thrown into the mix.

I've tried to say this consistently. Pearson's done so much better than Sven IMO. We now have a team, an ethos if you like. Where I have been disappointed is in that lack of signing a couple of players who are just BETTER than what we have.

Drinky, James, Kingy, Danns.... Who's obviously much better than anyone else? I think you can more or less get a fag paper between em.

Vardy, Waggy, Futacs... Who's obviously the best amongst em... Again they are about on a par with each other.

What disappointed me about Pearson is his indifference regarding going out and signing just a couple of players who are that bit better, who can push us on to the next level. Maybe this is about money? I don't really know.

That's why I'd be reluctant to get Chris Wood. Is he markedly better than what we already have? And that's why Danns' name keeps being mentioned. If King don't play well, who else is there who you would OBVIOUSLY replace him with?

A little suprised in what you wrote but pretty much hits the nail on the head. I am not going to debate in what area we should focus, but would accept that finding better wont come cheap. Maybe we will get a nice surprise in the new year ? Or a good showing this season will make us a more attractive proposition to players.

[Bettsj2]

A little suprised in what you wrote but pretty much hits the nail on the head. I am not going to debate in what area we should focus, but would accept that finding better wont come cheap. Maybe we will get a nice surprise in the new year ? Or a good showing this season will make us a more attractive proposition to players.

I dont think i've ever been massively overwhelmed or excited with a single player Pearson has ever signed, but generally speaking I end up massively impressed.

[_Fatboyslow_]

I dont think i've ever been massively overwhelmed or excited with a single player Pearson has ever signed, but generally speaking I end up massively impressed.

Which pretty much sums him up

[Walshy5]

I dont think i've ever been massively overwhelmed or excited with a single player Pearson has ever signed, but generally speaking I end up massively unimpressed.

[Mack]

Everybody Danns now

[kingfox]

People saying to Danns on twitter that he has been betting against his own team to lose.

neil danns â€@dannzy1

Can I just get this clear I have never in my life bet against my own team and never would, if I did I would be banned right now , so

[Guest NGoloMode]

People saying to Danns on twitter that he has been betting against his own team to lose.

neil danns â€@dannzy1

Can I just get this clear I have never in my life bet against my own team and never would, if I did I would be banned right now , so

Think the rumour was that he bet against us when we lost to Burton Albion.

[Webbo]

Think the rumour was that he bet against us when we lost to Burton Albion.

He's on something like £20k a week, if he was caught he'd be banned from football. He couldn't put more than a couple of hundred quid on a result without the bookies smelling a rat.

Not worth the risk, complete non starter.

[Bert]

He's on something like £20k a week, if he was caught he'd be banned from football. He couldn't put more than a couple of hundred quid on a result without the bookies smelling a rat.

Not worth the risk, complete non starter.

Could quite easily get someone else to put it on!

[5waller5]

Could quite easily get someone else to put it on!

Would explain why Burton game was the last time we saw him.

[indierich06]

Would explain why Burton game was the last time we saw him.

If I'd played as badly as that I think I'd rather admit betting against my own team, even if I hadn't! Absolute comedy performance from Danns in that match.

[5waller5]

If I'd played as badly as that I think I'd rather admit betting against my own team, even if I hadn't! Absolute comedy performance from Danns in that match.

Maybe they'd all had a few quid!

[Captain...]

Maybe they'd all had a few quid!

A couple of other players have been alleged to have bet on Burton as well, but as Danns said it is utter bollox, and only a moron would risk a 20k a week salary for a bet.

[Craig]

Like the club wouldn't have sacked him immediately

[Happy Fox]

Perhaps the club don't want to bring too much media attention as it could derail our season, better to keep it behind closed doors I don't think it is a coincidence that Danns, Gallagher etc haven't featured.

[Captain...]

As for Danns, every time we get a bad result this thread pops back up, but still people either mis-understand the problem with the midfield or mis-understand Danns strengths.

The problem with the midfield: When we come up against physical sides they get harried off the ball, can't get the ball away quickly and end up going backwards, dawdling on the ball and getting pushed off it or losing the ball trying something risky. We rarely seem to have a problem winning the ball back, and often have more possession in the middle than our opponents, but it is what we do, or don't do, when we have the ball in the middle is what costs us more times than not.

Danns' strengths: Pressuring the opposition, running around with lots of energy, and driving forwards with the ball, but in these games when we don't have the space he won't be able to pick the ball up and drive forwards with it, and he is not good enough to dribble past people, and passing is not his strong point.

This is not to say Danns isn't a decent player, but he doesn't add anything to what we already have, except maybe his forward bursts, and his lack of positional play and discipline cost us many times last season, if he was to ever play for us again it could only work in a 3 man midfield where he is given the freedom to chase the ball around and drive forwards with it, but if we are going down that road we have Marshall and Knockaert who would be much better in that role.

[The People's Hero]

Danns is very very limited and one-dimensional.

The only surprise is that NP doesn't like him anymore.

[hackneyfox]

Perhaps the club don't want to bring too much media attention as it could derail our season, better to keep it behind closed doors I don't think it is a coincidence that Danns, Gallagher etc haven't featured.

Danns has been on the bench though which blows this rumour out the water.

[Captain...]

Danns has been on the bench though which blows this rumour out the water.

So was Gallagher after his loan spell, I think.

[5waller5]

Like the club wouldn't have sacked him immediately

Maybe they lacked proof that would stand up in a VERY expensive court case.... so went down the route of not playing those involved and getting rid when they could???

I have no idea - all speculation - but It's not unlikely that he wouldn't have been sacked.

[5waller5]

As for Danns, every time we get a bad result this thread pops back up, but still people either mis-understand the problem with the midfield or mis-understand Danns strengths.

The problem with the midfield: When we come up against physical sides they get harried off the ball, can't get the ball away quickly and end up going backwards, dawdling on the ball and getting pushed off it or losing the ball trying something risky. We rarely seem to have a problem winning the ball back, and often have more possession in the middle than our opponents, but it is what we do, or don't do, when we have the ball in the middle is what costs us more times than not.

Danns' strengths: Pressuring the opposition, running around with lots of energy, and driving forwards with the ball, but in these games when we don't have the space he won't be able to pick the ball up and drive forwards with it, and he is not good enough to dribble past people, and passing is not his strong point.

This is not to say Danns isn't a decent player, but he doesn't add anything to what we already have, except maybe his forward bursts, and his lack of positional play and discipline cost us many times last season, if he was to ever play for us again it could only work in a 3 man midfield where he is given the freedom to chase the ball around and drive forwards with it, but if we are going down that road we have Marshall and Knockaert who would be much better in that role.

I don't really disagree with any of this assessment ..... the bit that still doesn't make sense is that it's pretty obvious that our central midlfield area is not cutting it away from home ... so surely you'd give your player that seemed to run midfileld for the latter 1/4 of last season a bash at remedying that situation - especially when you're paying him anyway.

I just don't buy it that he is suddenly not good enough to get into the squad where midfield strength and battling seems to be the weakness and those are his strengths. We've got 12 points from 10 games?? For any manager, even one as stubborn as NP there must be a big reason to not be giving Danns some game time.

[Captain...]

I don't really disagree with any of this assessment ..... the bit that still doesn't make sense is that it's pretty obvious that our central midlfield area is not cutting it away from home ... so surely you'd give your player that seemed to run midfileld for the latter 1/4 of last season a bash at remedying that situation - especially when you're paying him anyway.

I just don't buy it that he is suddenly not good enough to get into the squad where midfield strength and battling seems to be the weakness and those are his strengths. We've got 12 points from 10 games?? For any manager, even one as stubborn as NP there must be a big reason to not be giving Danns some game time.

You mean the third quarter of last season, he was injured for the latter 1/4 of last season.

If Danns was still here he might have had a run out, but when he was sent on loan we were still on our unbeaten run, and King and Drinky were running the midfield.

I see the sense in sticking with these 2 'til Jan trying to get them playing consistently well against all opposition, if not then buying someone better than King, Drinkwater or Danns or finding someone younger who can do the midfield enforcer role, rather than try and mould Danns into something he is not.

When it comes to Danns age is as big a factor as any, and any benefit he will bring this season will just be temporary, whereas King, Drinky and James will, hopefully, keep improving, and we will see the benefit from them playing so much together in the long run.

[5waller5]

You mean the third quarter of last season, he was injured for the latter 1/4 of last season.

If Danns was still here he might have had a run out, but when he was sent on loan we were still on our unbeaten run, and King and Drinky were running the midfield.

I see the sense in sticking with these 2 'til Jan trying to get them playing consistently well against all opposition, if not then buying someone better than King, Drinkwater or Danns or finding someone younger who can do the midfield enforcer role, rather than try and mould Danns into something he is not.

When it comes to Danns age is as big a factor as any, and any benefit he will bring this season will just be temporary, whereas King, Drinky and James will, hopefully, keep improving, and we will see the benefit from them playing so much together in the long run.

I don't disagree with that either!!! But ..... it's a short term problem that just needs a quick fix .... recall your loan player and pop him on the bench away from home .... easy, we've tried something different. I can't believe that NP wouldn't have done this if the reasons he's on loan were purely footballing _ Ie. we're playing well, unbeaten and the midfield pair look strong = go and get fit somewhere else.

The situation has changed - we need to turn around a poor patch - quick and easy possible solution is there and available and now fit, loan spell has done it's job.. On purely footballing arguments it's a no brainer he should be under consideration and making the bench at least.