kingfox Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 I'm surprised by many of the comments here, some of them quite ignorant too. I've got to say as someone that follows the united reserve team, Lingard is someone who I feel has the potential to be a future united player. He is quite lightweight granted, but he didn't look out of place in the summer tour and actually looked quite promising. From what I just read online, he's played around 80 minutes over the space of 5 matches. What are you expecting of a 19 year old who's never played competitive football until this season? If you're going to give him 15-20 minutes football a match then he's hardly going to set your team alight is he? Maybe he's not ready yet, but you shouldn't be so hasty and quick to judge him without allowing him a fair opportunity to prove himself. Btw Fergie earmarked him earlier on in the season as a potential Manchester United player of the future and named him as one of the youngsters who should be in a "united side" in the next 5 years. He may not be ready physically now and that's fine, hopefully he'll take this experience and really try to bulk himself up and I hope he gets sent to one of your rivals next season so some of you can eat your words. Some loan players perform like Michael Keane, and some don't like Jesse Lingard. He had a couple of sub appearances and offered nothing I'm afraid.
May 21st Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Surely if you're good on the ball you're suited to any league. The lad just isn't very good at the minute. Not every united youngster makes it. Not every youngster makes it here at United but a lot of our youngsters do go on to play championship and premier league level. I think Lingard will go on to play in the latter even if not at united. He's very good on the ball, has a good eye for a pass and is confident in driving the ball forward. It's a shame he didn't get to prove himself on this loan but I'm sure the experience will be of benefit to him and I'm positive it will make him a better player.
May 21st Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Some loan players perform like Michael Keane, and some don't like Jesse Lingard. He had a couple of sub appearances and offered nothing I'm afraid. Certainly, but like I said, you can't expect miracles from 19 year olds who have never played competitive football before when they're only getting 10-20 minute cameos. That's not nearly enough time for an inexperienced player to make his mark. I can't judge based on his time with you guys as I haven't seen. I can only judge on what I've seen, and there is a lot of potential in him to be a really good player IMO. It's too simplistic for me to say he could make it with us, but I'd like to think that he could.
ithuriel Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Not every youngster makes it here at United but a lot of our youngsters do go on to play championship and premier league level. I think Lingard will go on to play in the latter even if not at united. He's very good on the ball, has a good eye for a pass and is confident in driving the ball forward. It's a shame he didn't get to prove himself on this loan but I'm sure the experience will be of benefit to him and I'm positive it will make him a better player. He had his chance and was not good enough unfortunately, Keane on the other hand took the first team chance offered to him and has impressed.
May 21st Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 He had his chance and was not good enough unfortunately, Keane on the other hand took the first team chance offered to him and has impressed. I don't think 80 minutes over 5 games is really having a chance, you should judge him after having a couple starts. But fair enough you guys have your own agenda and developing our players isn't on your priority list. How good is Keane looking btw? He was reserve player of the year last season and I've been impressed with him both times I've seen him at senior level. The only young central defender we've had since Evans who I think has a chance of making it with us but I don't understand why you guys are only giving him 1 month loan deals at a time? I hope you get him for the rest of the season.
kingfox Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Certainly, but like I said, you can't expect miracles from 19 year olds who have never played competitive football before when they're only getting 10-20 minute cameos. That's not nearly enough time for an inexperienced player to make his mark. I can't judge based on his time with you guys as I haven't seen. I can only judge on what I've seen, and there is a lot of potential in him to be a really good player IMO. It's too simplistic for me to say he could make it with us, but I'd like to think that he could. We have had Man Utd loanees before, Cleverley came in looked pretty good, Keane has come in last two games he has been great especially in the 6-1 win against Huddersfield. Keane looked composed, great passer, tackler, likes to bring the ball out of defence, good header of the ball and his distribution is pretty good, all the things I like in a defender, instead of your boring no nonsense hoofer. Hope his form continues.
May 21st Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 I hope so too, he's a ball playing defender and handled himself well when playing against both Newcastle and Chelsea.
Grewks Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 I hope so too, he's a ball playing defender and handled himself well when playing against both Newcastle and Chelsea. Has he ever played the defensive midfielder role?? Where he just sits in front of the back four for 90 minutes?? Because from what we have seen so far, he is a good defender but is also great on the ball, and as we are short of a ball winning midfielder maybe he could play there?? And thanks for De Laet, James and drinkwater, i am pretty sure they will all become premier league established players in the future, hopefully with us.
May 21st Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 I can't say I recall him ever playing DM but he's played RB regularly as well so is versatile.
deep blue Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Re Lingard, I think it's simply the caseof him being the wrong type of player at the wrong time for us. He's come on generally when we've needed a bit more steel in the midfield, so his appearences have been ineffective.
Collymore Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 I actually thought Lingard looked alright when he was here. Yes, he didn't set the KP on fire but he looked like he had potential.
smudger63 Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Not every youngster makes it here at United but a lot of our youngsters do go on to play championship and premier league level. I think Lingard will go on to play in the latter even if not at united. He's very good on the ball, has a good eye for a pass and is confident in driving the ball forward. It's a shame he didn't get to prove himself on this loan but I'm sure the experience will be of benefit to him and I'm positive it will make him a better player. We know, half our team are made up of your ex youngsters!
It's A Knockeart! Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 I hope for his sake you're right. His problem really is that we aren't short of attacking options, especially on the wings where Knockaert and Marshall would get into most teams in the league; he was never likely to be a starter. Against Cardiff, when he came on you could see the confidence visibly drop; not the fans, but the players themselves. That tells you something about what they think about his ability at this moment in time. When the squad doesn't trust you there is no chance for you. If he looked like doing anything, like Keane has demonstrated, then undoubtably we would have snapped him up considering our desperation for PL football. Incidentally, I wouldn't necessarily take Ferguson's 'one-to-watch' stuff that seriously; among the many failures he tipped, he suggested Ronnie Wallwork would be England captain one day!
dmayne7 Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 The problem with Lingard is that whilst he didn't get a fair chance he is without doubt the most ineffectual/anonymous player I have ever seen. I'm sure if he gets time to play he can start to impose himself and has the potential to be a really good player but every game he played for us I would forget that he was on the pitch and not see him do anything. Other players in our squad, of a similar age, produced a lot more in the same time as Lingard did in matches. Needs to go on loan somewhere where he is going to get a chance to play lots as that is the only way he is going to be able to wise up to the rigours of professional football.
May 21st Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 Needs to go on loan somewhere where he is going to get a chance to play lots as that is the only way he is going to be able to wise up to the rigours of professional football. Agree with this, hopefully next year he can go on loan to a league 1 team. Not because he isn't capable of playing at a higher level, but it will be a good opportunity for him to get first team experience and build his confidence. I have no doubt he will surpass a lot of your fans expectations as I've had the opportunity to watch him a lot more than you guys. We know, half our team are made up of your ex youngsters! Haha, Hull City are another with many ex players.
pSinatra Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 I'm surprised by many of the comments here, some of them quite ignorant too. I've got to say as someone that follows the united reserve team, Lingard is someone who I feel has the potential to be a future united player. He is quite lightweight granted, but he didn't look out of place in the summer tour and actually looked quite promising. From what I just read online, he's played around 80 minutes over the space of 5 matches. What are you expecting of a 19 year old who's never played competitive football until this season? If you're going to give him 15-20 minutes football a match then he's hardly going to set your team alight is he? Maybe he's not ready yet, but you shouldn't be so hasty and quick to judge him without allowing him a fair opportunity to prove himself. Btw Fergie earmarked him earlier on in the season as a potential Manchester United player of the future and named him as one of the youngsters who should be in a "united side" in the next 5 years. He may not be ready physically now and that's fine, hopefully he'll take this experience and really try to bulk himself up and I hope next season so some of you can eat your words. He's been brought on late as a sub to kill time & keep posession..........not to set the world alight. Or he has been brought on in exchange for a player in a different position & this has meant a change of formation in an already difficult game. You're right in what you say. There are very few players of his age experience who are going to flourish under those circumstances. It's unfair to compare him against Cleverley & Keane - Lingard has not had the same opportunity to show what he is about. The timing of his loan seems to have been a mistake & that is no fault of Lingard. If he could have had a few starts in his natural position, I think opinion would be different. I just hope that his time here doesn't set him back & he finds somewhere beneficial to his development.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 He's been brought on late as a sub to kill time & keep posession..........not to set the world alight. Or he has been brought on in exchange for a player in a different position & this has meant a change of formation in an already difficult game. You're right in what you say. There are very few players of his age experience who are going to flourish under those circumstances. It's unfair to compare him against Cleverley & Keane - Lingard has not had the same opportunity to show what he is about. The timing of his loan seems to have been a mistake & that is no fault of Lingard. If he could have had a few starts in his natural position, I think opinion would be different. I just hope that his time here doesn't set him back & he finds somewhere beneficial to his development. Most sensible post in the thread.
May 21st Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 He's been brought on late as a sub to kill time & keep posession..........not to set the world alight. Or he has been brought on in exchange for a player in a different position & this has meant a change of formation in an already difficult game. You're right in what you say. There are very few players of his age experience who are going to flourish under those circumstances. It's unfair to compare him against Cleverley & Keane - Lingard has not had the same opportunity to show what he is about. The timing of his loan seems to have been a mistake & that is no fault of Lingard. If he could have had a few starts in his natural position, I think opinion would be different. I just hope that his time here doesn't set him back & he finds somewhere beneficial to his development. Good post, I have to agree with everything here and apologies if I appeared to come across too strong in the op.
Libertine Dream Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 He came on against Forest for about half an hour and I can't remember him touching the ball or even wanting it, seemed more interested in pulling his shorts down and keeping his hands in his sleeve. Wrong loan, at the wrong place at the wrong time and good luck to the lad in the future. Keane, well he is going to be a great defender and if Evans has made it at United then I see no reason why he can't.
Happy Fox Posted 6 January 2013 Posted 6 January 2013 He isn't a bad player but isn't ready for the demands of winning matches at the top end of the league which we are in Keane on the otherhand has that quality and mentality and will make your first team in the future that I am certain of.
flowwolf Posted 8 January 2013 Posted 8 January 2013 He is young & inexperienced. He was never going to come on for the last 10 mins & change a game on his own. If he had been given a start we might have seen the potential Man Utd see in him. Yes he is young and inexperienced so why bother having him here in the first place ? How was he going to get a place in our present side , He is obviously a long long way off playing at this level yet alone a top six side in the championship. It was even more baffling when he was brought on against Cardiff when we were losing , how on earth was this kid going to change the game. What are we some kind of nursery school for Man United ? We simply can't afford to play nanny to Man united prospects I thought we were bigger than that.
Guest shearfox Posted 8 January 2013 Posted 8 January 2013 Yes he is young and inexperienced so why bother having him here in the first place ? How was he going to get a place in our present side , He is obviously a long long way off playing at this level yet alone a top six side in the championship. It was even more baffling when he was brought on against Cardiff when we were losing , how on earth was this kid going to change the game. What are we some kind of nursery school for Man United ? We simply can't afford to play nanny to Man united prospects I thought we were bigger than that. More Hit then miss, so I don't mind us getting in some ManU loanees, of course if they can't cut it we shouldn't be playing them to keep Fergie sweet
Babylon Posted 8 January 2013 Posted 8 January 2013 Yes he is young and inexperienced so why bother having him here in the first place ? What like Keane, Cleverley etc? Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I'm thankful that we have a manager/scouting system that has so far been correct many more times than it has been wrong. The only gripe I have was the Cardiff game where he should never have come on for that one.
MGLCFC Posted 8 January 2013 Posted 8 January 2013 What like Keane, Cleverley etc? Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I'm thankful that we have a manager/scouting system that has so far been correct many more times than it has been wrong. The only gripe I have was the Cardiff game where he should never have come on for that one. Totally agree Babylon.However, hindsight is wonderful, had he come on and nicked an equaliser, these last few pages may have read different. Think he would be better suited to the continental game which is generally more technicaland less physical.
Babylon Posted 8 January 2013 Posted 8 January 2013 However, hindsight is wonderful, had he come on and nicked an equaliser, these last few pages may have read different. Of course it is, I just don't think the impact (or lack of) he'd had in previous games warranted him coming on in such an important game.
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