SOCCERROO FOX Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 I think as this is the lowest point in Aus cricket, i think we ought to create some new Ashes. I'm proposing we cremate Shane Watson and whack him in a little urn.
Aus Fox Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 I know, but I'm relatively certain the Aussies fans chanting "show us your visa" at KP yesterday weren't really immigration officials either. Fair play to them by the way, great numbers and good chirp. Had a photo with Merv Hughes yesterday too, nice bloke. Wonder if the same supporters asked Usmin Kwhaja the same question?
ScouseFox Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10227389/Monty-Panesar-fined-for-urinating-on-bouncers.html Oh dear Monty.
marko Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 I think as this is the lowest point in Aus cricket, i think we ought to create some new Ashes. I'm proposing we cremate Shane Watson and whack him in a little urn. It'd take more than a little urn to fit that fat lump in. I'm thinking more along the lines of a barrel.
Brainy Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 How many have we lost though? And we rarely ease to a draw its usually hanging on usually making it tougher than it should be. I just think wherever there is room for improvement we should work on it. Its like the aussies back in the 90's not just content with winning but winning in style, we need that if we want to become the best. We really aren't. There's a number of matches in recent times where we've been under pressure to save a Test on the final day and we've done it. Couple of times in NZ last tour. Cardiff against the Aussies. Centurion against SA. They Aussies have bowled well and it's not like we've thrown wickets away with rash shots. It's a new ball pitch and once we're through that it should be easier to survive. Agree with ronnie. Common factor in the three games you've listed is that we were one wicket away from losing the match. A win is a win but why is it we're relying on our last two batsmen to get us a draw? This talk of 5-0/10-0 was stupid, Australia's bowling is almost on par with ours and if their batsmen post a big score like they did at OT then our under performing batsmen are under pressure. Dharmasena said there was nothing on Hotspot but he could hear a noise that couldn't have been anything else. Exactly. Both identical besides Smith wasn't given out on the field unlike KP. I'm guessing umpire's call probably comes into play? I don't get why they're able to hear/see things in a review when they're not allowed to use it to give somebody out. Like somebody here said there was a clear noise with Smith and his bat was nowhere near the ground or the pad so what else was it meant to be? There's absolutely no consistency. Apparently 8/12 of the elite umpires are Australian or English?
marko Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 Agree with ronnie. Common factor in the three games you've listed is that we were one wicket away from losing the match. A win is a win but why is it we're relying on our last two batsmen to get us a draw? This talk of 5-0/10-0 was stupid, Australia's bowling is almost on par with ours and if their batsmen post a big score like they did at OT then our under performing batsmen are under pressure. I've identified those to show that we are resilient and we're not weak under pressure. Let me turn this round. Why can't other teams bat out for a draw and hang on for a draw with 9 wickets down like we've done on a few occasions? 2nd Test 2010 vs Australia - Australia had 6 wickets remaining going into day 5 but we bowled them out before lunch. If they'd made those 6 wickets last an hour and a half longer the rain would have saved them. 1st Test 2011 vs Sri Lanka - SL had 10 wickets remaining with one session of day 5 left but lost by an innings and 14 runs. 1st Test 2011 vs India - India had 9 wickets remaining going into day 5 but lost by 196 runs. 4th Test 2011 vs India - India had 7 wickets remaining (including SRT) going into day 5 by lost by an innings and 8 runs. If you want examples of when we've batted out comfortably just look at Brisbane 2010 and Dunedin 2013.
Brainy Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 I've identified those to show that we are resilient and we're not weak under pressure. Except the top order. I'm not saying we're not better than anybody else because we clearly are. If we had bat first at OT and made 527 then we'd have probably won the game tbh.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 I wouldn't say we were weak in the top order, I just think we were complacent last match. We've never had it so good at the top; Cook, Trott and KP all average 48-50. I'd certainly back them to turn this form around in the next 2 tests.
marko Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 Except the top order. Simply not true. From the start of 2009 (I took that date because that's when this team came together) we have the highest scoring and third highest scoring batsmen in the world. Cook is #1 with 4239 Trott is #3 with 3573 If said top order was weak under pressure I'm not sure they'd score that amount of runs, do you?
Brainy Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 How many of those runs were scored when we were behind in a game? Obvious ones include Brisbane but we've been fortunate enough to have dominated from day one the last few years when yes, there's pressure on them to get us into a good position but that pressure isn't the same when it involves getting us from a bad to safe position. Should probably state for the record before anybody thinks I don't like the top 3/4 batsmen that that isn't the case. In fact I'd expect the batsmen to flourish in Australia like last time
marko Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 How many of those runs were scored when we were behind in a game? Obvious ones include Brisbane but we've been fortunate enough to have dominated from day one the last few years when yes, there's pressure on them to get us into a good position but that pressure isn't the same when it involves getting us from a bad to safe position. Should probably state for the record before anybody thinks I don't like the top 3/4 batsmen that that isn't the case. In fact I'd expect the batsmen to flourish in Australia like last time I have neither the time nor inclination to check how many of those runs were scored when we were behind. However, I do know the games I previously stated (Brisbane and Dunedin) Cook made 234* and 116 respectively. Further, during the 1st Test against India in 2012 when we followed on, Cook top scored with 176. So whilst he's not scored many in this series, I think the above stats speak for themselves when we're behind in a game.
Guest MattP Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Finally back from Manchester. Can't believe what I'm reading on here. Typical English negativity even we are a World Class side. Job done. Now let's go for the 4-0.
marko Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Finally back from Manchester. Can't believe what I'm reading on here. Typical English negativity even we are a World Class side. Job done. Now let's go for the 4-0. Amen. People seem to think it's routine to just go out and smash a century every other innings.
marko Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Fantastic piece by KP on batting this morning. Can't believe how hard he can nail the reverse sweep and switch hit. Really insightful.
Corky Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Fantastic piece by KP on batting this morning. Can't believe how hard he can nail the reverse sweep and switch hit. Really insightful. Any silicone on his bat?
marko Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Any silicone on his bat? He only put 7 silicon sheets on for the demo as opposed to the 8 he uses in Tests.
marko Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Apparently Anderson isn't going to be playing. Never listen to Bumble on Twitter.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Apparently Anderson isn't going to be playing. Never listen to Bumble on Twitter. He's too busy having bed baths to know what's going on! Come on then, let's get 400+ for once.
Guest MattP Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Amen. People seem to think it's routine to just go out and smash a century every other innings. The way people were speaking on here you would have thought we had gone in 8 down at 12 rather than 3 down at lunch. We were still favourites to save that test with a full two sessions ahead wen Lyon would have been doing the work later on. Onto today, good toss to win, chance for the openers to make scores.
marko Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 The way people were speaking on here you would have thought we had gone in 8 down at 12 rather than 3 down at lunch. We were still favourites to save that test with a full two sessions ahead wen Lyon would have been doing the work later on. Onto today, good toss to win, chance for the openers to make scores. Exactly and it was a new ball pitch where batting got much easier when the ball went softer. Have you read Ashley Mallett's article in the Sydney Morning Herald today? Hilarious stuff - http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/why-australia-can-win-the-ashes--this-summer-20130809-2rm64.html I'm not saying Australia won't win Down Under, but the fact he states we rely on Cook, Trott, KP and Bell for runs and Jimmy, Swann and Broad for wickets is laughable. Who does he think Australia rely on for runs?! Even the Australian fans are laughing in the comments section at the bottom.
Swarles Barkley Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Root gone. How about that a successful australian review!
Guest MattP Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Can't actually believe what I've read there! I suppose India relied on getting runs from Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman, The Aussies a few years back on Langer, Hayden, Ponting and Martyn It's not a bad team when you can rely on 7 of the 11 to make a contribution
Leicesterpool Posted 9 August 2013 Posted 9 August 2013 Once again another poor decision from the umpire, normally you give the benefit of the doubt to the person batting, but for some strange reason now they give it to the bowler!
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