Rumours about Nuge to Forest

[ScouseFox]

We're fúcked if we sell Nuge 

 

Edit - and I can't believe people still think Schlupp can play left back 

[LeicesterAreGoingUp]

Someone asked his girlfriend on twitter and she said "nope"

[Kitchandro]

Sell him all day long for anything around £1million or above. We could easily bring in a better replacement for that money or we could even just finally give Schlupp a proper run up top with Wood as lets be honest, it seems NP isn't keen on using Schlupp at LB.

 

Ok then, who?

 

Do you seriously think Schlupp is capable of getting 15 league goals? Or should I say do you think it's likely?

 

Do you realise how much money good strikers are going for nowadays? And what makes you think we could spend all the money we got from Nugent on players?

 

Meanwhile we've got deadwood like Danns and Gallagher filling up the squad. I'd be sick as a dog if we had them but not Nugent.

 

A lot of people sound very bullish and gung-ho about things like this. 'Yeh get rid, we can replace him easy'. Almost as if it's a throaway comment. Like it's  certainty, like it's that easy. You're irrationally confident. There really is nothing to suggest we could get a striker of Nugent's quality for £1m.

[Kitchandro]

Schlupp has played LB a few times and is very hit and miss. I remember him having a few decent games there but then also having a game where he almost cost us 2 goals, and then getting raped at Watford in the play offs. He hasn't got the positional sense or tackling ability to succeed at LB imo. If we play him there then prepare to concede a lot.

 

I agree with that but Konchesky was no better last season. Ideally Bakayogo needs to step up to the plate. I don't trust anyone else in that position.

 

The fact is though that Konch is on big wages, Schlupp probably isn't. Plus he's younger. As a wing back, not a left back, he could be useful. We're not going to sell him anyway.

 

We should and need to be in a position where Konchesky is expendable.

[Father Ted]

Ok then, who?

 

Do you seriously think Schlupp is capable of getting 15 league goals? Or should I say do you think it's likely?

 

Do you realise how much money good strikers are going for nowadays? And what makes you think we could spend all the money we got from Nugent on players?

 

Meanwhile we've got deadwood like Danns and Gallagher filling up the squad. I'd be sick as a dog if we had them but not Nugent.

 

A lot of people sound very bullish and gung-ho about things like this. 'Yeh get rid, we can replace him easy'. Almost as if it's a throaway comment. Like it's  certainty, like it's that easy. You're irrationally confident. There really is nothing to suggest we could get a striker of Nugent's quality for £1m.

Well, for a start, Carlton Cole, Jay Bothroyd, Louis Saha are all free agents. Shechter and Maiga would be reasonable targets too and no reason why we couldn't look abroad.

 

Yes, Schlupp could get 15 league goals, maybe 20, I have no doubt in my mind that he could. Look at his run of 4/5 games he had up front last season where he scored against Derby,Birmingham and Bolton, he looked very raw and missed quite a few chances through good saves or wastefulness but the most promising thing was that he was getting into those positions which Nugent certainly didn't do after January. His pace was frightening for defences and his pace gives us an extra dimension that a Nugent-Wood partnership doesn't. Lets not forget that Jeff is only 20 too!

[hornyhollthefox123]

Sell him all day long for anything around £1million or above. We could easily bring in a better replacement for that money or we could even just finally give Schlupp a proper run up top with Wood as lets be honest, it seems NP isn't keen on using Schlupp at LB.

Well he played there yesterday over Bakayago and Schlupp is rather shite so no please don't sell Nuge.

[ScouseFox]

Well, for a start, Carlton Cole, Jay Bothroyd, Louis Saha are all free agents. 

 

where have you been all summer? We're trying our best to lower the stupid wages we're giving out over the squad, not double them. 

[AKCJ]

That is why his influence is limited. He can only save goals, he can't make them or score them.

 

 

Up there with 'Kermo was decent' and 'my mates the ref tonight'.

[Kitchandro]

Up there with 'Kermo was decent' and 'my mates the ref tonight'.

 

Right, ok.

 

I look forward to Kasper getting 15 goals next season then.

 

In fact, if he gets 5 assists I'll retract everything.

[GingerrrFox]

Right, ok.

I look forward to Kasper getting 15 goals next season then.

In fact, if he gets 5 assists I'll retract everything.

Your whole point was retarded. Stopping goals is just as important as scoring them. No point having amazing strikers if you have a shit GK and vice versa.

[ramadaone]

Unfortunately I don't think we will go up this year

Just my opinion

Therefore if someone bids £1m for Nugent I would take it as he is out of contract at the end of the season so we would get zero

I would let Jeff have a full season up front and see where it takes us

We will be bringing in loan players as well so all is not lost but I agree its not ideal

The following season when FFP kicks in properly is when we will reap the benefits

Might not what you want to hear but Svens contracts are going to have an adverse effect for some while yet

Just to confirm that the thread title is incorrect as it is not a rumour but a fact that Forest have had discussions with us

[Kitchandro]

Well, for a start, Carlton Cole, Jay Bothroyd, Louis Saha are all free agents. Shechter and Maiga would be reasonable targets too and no reason why we couldn't look abroad.

 

Yes, Schlupp could get 15 league goals, maybe 20, I have no doubt in my mind that he could. Look at his run of 4/5 games he had up front last season where he scored against Derby,Birmingham and Bolton, he looked very raw and missed quite a few chances through good saves or wastefulness but the most promising thing was that he was getting into those positions which Nugent certainly didn't do after January. His pace was frightening for defences and his pace gives us an extra dimension that a Nugent-Wood partnership doesn't. Lets not forget that Jeff is only 20 too!

 

We'll have to agree to disagree about Schlupp, he does have some potential but for me it's out wide and not up front. I'd love him to prove me wrong but more likely is fans start getting frustrated with him and it dents his confidence as a striker.

 

As Scousey says those players are unreasonable due to wages. I'm not convinced Carlton Cole is a better goalscorer anyway and Bothroyd, though I'd take him in addition to the strikers we've got on a free, has terrible recent form in this league.

 

So for me, I still think you're being vastly over confident about our options in the transfer market even if we did sell Nugent for let's say £1.5m.

[Kitchandro]

Your whole point was retarded. Stopping goals is just as important as scoring them. No point having amazing strikers if you have shit strikers and vice versa.

 

It isn't though, is it? If you don't score any goals you can't win a match. If you concede goals you can still win. Draws only get you 1 point, wins get you 3.

 

This is very basic stuff people, do try to keep up.

 

This is aside from the fact that a striker can affect a whole half of the field, which will included holding it up in the final 3rd and creating goals. A goalkeeper can't realistically have a big impact on anything outside his box.

[cjslcfc]

It isn't though, is it? If you don't score any goals you can't win a match. If you concede goals you can still win. Draws only get you 1 point, wins get you 3.

 

This is very basic stuff people, do try to keep up.

 

This is aside from the fact that a striker can affect a whole half of the field, which will included holding it up in the final 3rd and creating goals. A goalkeeper can't realistically have a big impact on anything outside his box.

 

I see the point about influence. But it tends to be that if the goalkeeper makes a mistake, the other team scores. That seems very important to me. The amount of time Kasper has saved us in the past is worth its weight in gold

[kingfox]

What so an unproven player and 2 players who aren't even LBs?

Dyer has been LB once and was predictably gash, Schlupp is very dodgy there too.

 

Unproven, what's the point in signing Bakayogo then?

 

They aren't going to play left-back though, they are going to play left wing back, there's a slight difference, with the speed that those three have, it will help massively, instead of playing Konchesky who is slow and looks a massive weakness at the minute.

[sylofox]

It isn't though, is it? If you don't score any goals you can't win a match. If you concede goals you can still win. Draws only get you 1 point, wins get you 3.

 

This is very basic stuff people, do try to keep up.

 

This is aside from the fact that a striker can affect a whole half of the field, which will included holding it up in the final 3rd and creating goals. A goalkeeper can't realistically have a big impact on anything outside his box.

Praps you should read Brian Cloughs book.

He learnt as a fwd player no point scoring four if you let in five.

 

Thats why he and most managers start off with a good keeper and defence.

Your right you can't win if you don't score but your gonna loose if you let in more than you score.

[Bert]

With them now apparently signing Austin, this will probably come to nothing.

[Vale Blue]

With them now apparently signing Austin, this will probably come to nothing.

You are probably correct, the Nugent deal is further away but presumably that means the likelyhood of Wes Morgan moving has increased. If the owners are adament that they are going to sell some big names and Nuge isn't wanted then they will have to sell someone who has attracted interest.

[Father Ted]

where have you been all summer? We're trying our best to lower the stupid wages we're giving out over the squad, not double them. 

So you really think players would rather risk their careers and not find a new club or find a new club and drop their wage demands. In this situation, the clubs are in command. Carlton Cole would be an absolute steal if we sold Nugent.

[Father Ted]

We'll have to agree to disagree about Schlupp, he does have some potential but for me it's out wide and not up front. I'd love him to prove me wrong but more likely is fans start getting frustrated with him and it dents his confidence as a striker.

 

As Scousey says those players are unreasonable due to wages. I'm not convinced Carlton Cole is a better goalscorer anyway and Bothroyd, though I'd take him in addition to the strikers we've got on a free, has terrible recent form in this league.

 

So for me, I still think you're being vastly over confident about our options in the transfer market even if we did sell Nugent for let's say £1.5m.

For a player of Nugent's standard that is out of contract next summer, any kind of fee for say £1.5m we should snap their hands off. Read my last post, as the season gets closer, clubs can bully free agents as they will be sweating over finding a new club and so they would need to lower their wage demands. 

[Bert]

You are probably correct, the Nugent deal is further away but presumably that means the likelyhood of Wes Morgan moving has increased. If the owners are adament that they are going to sell some big names and Nuge isn't wanted then they will have to sell someone who has attracted interest.

I would be surprised if any of our so called bigger names left.

[AS78UK]

this makes me laugh. first of blythe has little experience and nuge scored 16 last season blythe scored 17 while he was at leamington.

vardy scored shit loads in non league for fleetwood but i dont think he has 16 goals a season at this level.

hopper scored 3 goals for bury last season a league below us.

wood i cant argue with you on that hope he gets 20 this year.

waghorn has a huge 22 goals in 129 apperances 8 ahead of what nugent scored 16 last season in 42 games

sell nugent and you might aswell sell kasper, morgan and knocky and just get cheap league 1/ develpment squad players, where are you going to get a cheap 16 goal a season championship[ striker on low wages? NOWHERE

I couldnt agree more. If you sell Nugent you may have well sold Morgan and Kasper.

Think the owners will think they got one more tilt at this with the current squad, if they fail then Kasper and a couple of others contracts will expire and the the books will be more balanced for the new rules anyway.

[Buggsteam]

Sell him all day long for anything around £1million or above. We could easily bring in a better replacement for that money or we could even just finally give Schlupp a proper run up top with Wood as lets be honest, it seems NP isn't keen on using Schlupp at LB.

If we did sell Nugent for 1 mill + do you really think that money would go on a replacement?

More like paying off some of the debt we owe. Yes we would lower the wage but your not going to get a decent striker in on a free that will score as many goals. Any decent striker being released ie Carlton Cole etc would demand high wages so defeats the object.

Selling any of our key players will show the clubs lack of ambition to try for promotion this season and with FFP now coming in its going to be even harder each year.

We have some good players coming thru like Schlupp and Hopper but no where near the finished article and not good enough to lead the line yet.

[Ashley]

Looks like Charlie Austin is going there.

[dylanlegend]

I actually think one of our problems is that nugent isn't prolific enough. Ok he scores an average amount of goals and that's why we are an average team ATM. Wood is a better goalscorer, and I think Schlupp would score 15 goals if he started 50 games like Nugent has the past 2 seasons.

Problem with nugent is, doesn't matter how badly he plays Pearson will always start him the next game.