MC Prussian Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 The issue isn't with the 3-5-2, it's with players that aren't fulfilling their role in this system. To me, it looks as if the first few games of the season are still a pre-season mode, in which the players are trying to find their spot within the formation. I guess we could've done with at least one more game in pre-season in order to perfect the 3-5-2 even more and have players getting used to it. Also, the absence of Knockaert showed massively in the first 60+ minutes. Apart from him, we don't have the personnel to create something from midfield, as the others don't have that flair or desire to go forward and link up with the strikers. Dyer also made the difference and offered more attacking desire. Neither Drinkwater, James or King really convince me in midfield, connecting with Nugent, Wood or Vardy. I think it can come good, although it could've come good a lot earlier. And we need another Knockaert-like attacking midfielder/centre forward.
Ric Flair Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 The sooner Konchesky is banned from LWB the better. Either the left of the 3 centre backs or get to fook
Guest ttfn Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 It doesn't strike me as a formation which is going to win us games at home, when teams put numbers behind the ball. To be fair to Leeds, I think they were more unambitious than completely negative, but there will be teams that come to us this season and play 4 across the back with 2 auxiliary full backs and 2 bruisers in central midfield. In games like that, a midfield 3 of James, Drinkwater and King just does not offer enough. Today the gap between Vardy, Nugent and the midfield was way, way too deep, and it's not like you can have Nugent drop off because then you've got Vardy doing the hard running into both channels which just isn't sustainable. As it is currently set up, the system does not allow for any of our 3 most likely creators in their various guises - Marshall, Dyer and Knockaert. Playing none of these guys, particularly in home games, is absolutely unacceptable and Pearson should be embarrassed by the lack of ideas his team had in the first half, when both Dyer and Knockaert were fit and available.
Adster Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 3-5-2 doesn't work yet we haven't lost this campaign yet. I seriously doubt the intelligence of some people on this forum.
AnotherShitSeason Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 Unless there's a personnel change in midfield we'll spend all season fannying about with this system & getting nowhere. Like a boring 90 minute training session that you have to pay to watch week after week. One frustrating failed attempt at going forward after another.
5waller5 Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 I think that if you write our best 11 on a piece of paper and then have a system to play them then 3-5-2 suits us just fine ..... And in fact if you write our squad down and try to make 4-4-2 work then you struggle to make the squad work. I think it's a "needs must" formation ..... we've changed to a system that seems to utilise the squad we have better. Unfortunately, it doesn't suit the manager ..... he's too defensive to make the system work when we have the ball.
KFS Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 What do people suggest then? With our abundance of cash to spend and a manager who clearly only has plan A? (The above is sarcastic before any ****wit decides to genuinely agree with it)
5waller5 Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 3-5-2 doesn't work yet we haven't lost this campaign yet. I seriously doubt the intelligence of some people on this forum. In two league games. I'm not sure this proves you are more intelligent.
DennisNedry Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 Give the system another month or so. If we're still performing like we did today, then revert back to 4-4-2.
fleckneymike Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 I think you've mistaken me for someone else. I'm not moaning, just pointing out that our most creative players are on the bench because of the system we are playing, and it makes no sense. The system seems designed to benefit RDL, which to be honest is a slightly odd thing to do.
5waller5 Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 The system seems designed to benefit RDL, which to be honest is a slightly odd thing to do. He has looked great playing it .... not so much today though...... But he does like like one of only a few that it suits.
fleckneymike Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 He has looked great playing it .... not so much today though...... But he does like like one of only a few that it suits. 3 5 2 or 3 4 3 works on the basis that you have more players 'in between the lines' that you would in a traditional 442. Alas we're playing (or rather the players are) an incredibly flat version of this formation. WIth the squad we have the wing backs are almost a given leaving just the midfield 3 as areas to experiment. As our most 'creative' players tend to be our wingers their threat is completely negated in a 3 5 2 UNLESS we try and make one play in a free role behind the forwards. As I said only RDL benefits from this system.
dog_4 Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 schmeichel Moore Morgan Duffy De Laet Miquel James Drinkwater Knockeart Wood Vardy
cjslcfc Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 schmeichel Moore Morgan Duffy De Laet Miquel James Drinkwater Knockeart Wood Vardy By all accounts Miquel v slow and not gonna be a wing back. Hopefully Bakayogo will eventually fill that slot. Also I'd start nuge for sure and leave the other place to wood/vardy
Sankey93 Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 The 3-5-2 suits is a lot more than 4-4-2 it's boring we seen that last season he's trying something new which I personally think it will eventually work were 2 games into the season, this is why we signed Bakayogo a very quick wingback who likes to attack!!! People said we dint attack enough last season and Pearson is trying to change it! Vardy looked sharp Moore solid should start knockeart!
Ian W LCFC Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 Konchesky at LWB just doesn't work. Dyer or Schlupp would be better. And I also don't understand why Knockaert dousn't start as this formation is almost made for him. Whitbread is also shite and Miquel willl be much better as (hopefully) we will start playing from the back instead of stupidly bypassing the 5 man midfield.
kingfox Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 It's been one home game and people are already moaning about the formation. There was a lot of good quick link up play today, Drinkwater and King were at the heart of that, yet some of you said they were crap, they weren't that bad. Only thing I don't like about the formation is Konchesky, he is not a wing back, Bakayogo or Schlupp need to be tested, you need pace in that area, De Laet has it on the right side, but Konch doesn't apply it on the left. Leeds were physical in midfield today, and Austin played a huge role especially first half, when he was going in aggressive & winning second balls. Against physical teams, you need a physical presence to match against the opposition, like last season today we didn't have that. James wasn't getting stuck in as he normally does, King made the odd good challenge, while Drinkwater did more work on the ball, rather than off it. Creative wise we have Knockaert and Marshall to choose from, one of them might cement their place and be a key player if given the chance this season, but it's early days on that score. Today was a bit defensive, and we can't go into games with that approach all the time, because like today, it will be hard for us to create chances, and get any urgency going.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 When is Bakayogo actually going to get a chance? When he's fit I imagine
Jimmy Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 When is Bakayogo actually going to get a chance? at Carlisle
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 11 August 2013 Posted 11 August 2013 Put Knockaert on behind the strikers instead of 3 cm's and then we will see how we do. With it being our 2nd game with a first team I think it's going well
Larry_LCFC Posted 12 August 2013 Posted 12 August 2013 Dyer's pace is being wasted in this weird LWB role that Nigel has him playing. Completely limits how he can run at the oppositions defence and I think it shows.
Kitchandro Posted 12 August 2013 Posted 12 August 2013 I've seen 2 of the 3 competitive games we have played so far, and I have to say that the 3-5-2 formation just does not play to the strengths of our squad for me. Today we lacked any creative spark until Dyer and Knockaert came on, and that pretty much sums up our woes in this system; It just doesn't allow us to be creative, the wing backs are afraid to go beyond the opposing full back and the centre of midfield is creating nothing. For me we need to get back into a 4-4-2 with Dyer and the French wonder weaving their magic, this 3-5-2 lark might work for Watford who have the personnel but not for us. I don't necessarily agree. We're not playing the right starting 11 for 3-5-2, that much is obvious. But swap Schlupp and Knocakert for Konchesky and Drinkwater and it might be a different story.
paulsherwood1 Posted 12 August 2013 Posted 12 August 2013 Right formation, wrong location!! This was a great formation and team selection for an away game, but to leave knockaert, dyer, wood etc on the bench at home was criminal. To have 0 shots on target against a team who were not particularly interested in attacking was a disgrace. I think NP should employ the tactic away, as the defence looked rock solid. At home we have to be more adventurous, certainly against a team like Leeds who will do well to finish above mid table.
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