Long Eaton Fox Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Over the past 10 years has the cost of running the acadamy been more than the value of players produced? Can only think of King, Schupp and Moore recently, worth maybe £5m between them. Heskey, Joachim from the distant past. Dosn't seem much to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatness_Since_1884 Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Hopefully with FFP clubs will look to academies more although EPPP could be a big barrier to this. We also do make a bit of money from guys like Parkes who leave for relatively small fees but probably offset the cost of coaching around 10 kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Max Gradel was sold for a fraction of his value but is worth a lot more now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 We're Cat One so hopefully producing decent players 'should' come to fruition with regards FFFP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Stearman? Mattock? Sold on after we produced them, regardless of price, still sold for £1million+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eaton Fox Posted 29 August 2013 Author Share Posted 29 August 2013 Forgot about them. Does anyone know how much the acadamy costs to run per year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxer Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Matt piper 3 million? More than 10 years though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Impossible to know with having figures for what it costs us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eaton Fox Posted 29 August 2013 Author Share Posted 29 August 2013 I suppose my point is, if the Acadamy costs £2m per year to run for example, we could buy an extra player for £1m every year scrap the Acadamy and still comply with FFP. Think I've been spelling academy wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 I suppose my point is, if the Acadamy costs £2m per year to run for example, we could buy an extra player for £1m every year scrap the Acadamy and still comply with FFP. Think I've been spelling academy wrong.I don't think the academy is included in the FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 The Academy isn't included in the FFP. With the money invested heavily in the last 3 years, and us scouting abroad too, and with Cat 1 status we should see a drastic improvement in the coming years coming in and out of our Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 I suppose my point is, if the Acadamy costs £2m per year to run for example, we could buy an extra player for £1m every year scrap the Acadamy and still comply with FFP. Think I've been spelling academy wrong. But then we wouldn't have king Moore Schluup Logan hooper who were all in the squad for our last game and this would have to buy 4 squad players to replace these guys. Also if we picked up serious amounts of injuries and suspensions we would have to buy/loan replacements. Look at the big picture if we didn't have an accadamy we would spend more than 2 million a year bringing in other players, by having an acadamy we get theses squad players and every now and the a Heskey comes along and pays for 5 years of the acadamy. I suppose my point is, if the Acadamy costs £2m per year to run for example, we could buy an extra player for £1m every year scrap the Acadamy and still comply with FFP. Think I've been spelling academy wrong. But then we wouldn't have king Moore Schluup Logan hooper who were all in the squad for our last game and this would have to buy 4 squad players to replace these guys. Also if we picked up serious amounts of injuries and suspensions we would have to buy/loan replacements. Look at the big picture if we didn't have an accadamy we would spend more than 2 million a year bringing in other players, by having an acadamy we get theses squad players and every now and the a Heskey comes along and pays for 5 years of the acadamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnup Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Prospects like Shclupp and Moore who are very exciting would make me say yes. We're just around the corner from something special. Young squad. The future's bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lestajigs Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Didn't king come from Chelsea ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Since 2000 the fees of Heskey and Piper alone have brought in 14.5 million, averaged out more than a million a year. Add to that smaller fees for the likes of Gradel, Mattock etc and the value of King More and Schluup and I would say it has paid for itself. We have had some bot only Leicester legends but genuine world class legends of the game developed at Leicester in our history For this alone I do not understand anyone's logic behind not wanting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eaton Fox Posted 29 August 2013 Author Share Posted 29 August 2013 So the consensus is that the academy is worthwhile. Although it is now cat 1 we still have to find these prospects from somewhere. Noticed the results are not so great now for the academy since playing the higher standard teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicesterisme Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Didn't king come from Chelsea ?? At 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Didn't king come from Chelsea ?? I think he was released from their academy and came to our's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 So the consensus is that the academy is worthwhile. Although it is now cat 1 we still have to find these prospects from somewhere. Noticed the results are not so great now for the academy since playing the higher standard teams. that's probably to be expected. But the experience of playing against better contemporaries will hopefully improve them. Also it gives our coaching team a good eye over possible players for transfers from more expensively put together academies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 The benefits of being Cat 1 will take at least a couple of years before we see the real benefits coming through We aren't going to bomb out 1/2 of the young lads and replace them with better players overnight because for one thing the new players will cost money It will be a gradual change as the youngest lads decide to come to us rather than Forest,Derby,Coventry etc because we are Cat 1 and have the best coaches,pitches,players etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Any club who has no interest in their academy is no good for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 29 August 2013 Share Posted 29 August 2013 Any club who has no interest in their academy is no good for the game. Too right. There are plenty of young players around who should develop enough to play at the standard Leicester City does. If it isn't providing value for money get rid of the scouts and the coaches, not the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 30 August 2013 Share Posted 30 August 2013 We also got fees for: Matt Heath - Nominal Jordan Stewart - 125,000 Stuart Campbell - 200,000 Tommy Wright - 50,000 Lawrie Dudfield 250,000 No Fee but played a significant number of games: Stuart Wilson free played 22 games Stef Oakes free but played 71 games Neil Lewis free 64 games Levi Porter 39 games I'm sure I'm missing more, but my memory ain't what it used to be. Probably got some sell on fees as well for the likes of Heskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmic123 Posted 30 August 2013 Share Posted 30 August 2013 The other thing with players that come through the academy is that there tends to be more hunger and commitment from these players as they are Leicester through and through. I for one would much rather we bring players through like Moore than buying players from elsewhere because you know you'll get a good shift from your academy lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 30 August 2013 Share Posted 30 August 2013 Easily value for money. Like having a high possibility of gold in your own back garden and asking whether its worth investing in a spade to dig it up. Sadly due to EPPP this will no longer be the case for clubs without cat one status. Just because it hasn't yet happened to us, doesn't mean we should forget about this disgraceful bit of corruption in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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