Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 That was when tv portrayed real life. Two cockney market traders were likely to use the word paki, it shouldn't be airbrushed from history. No chance of any realism being put forward now, far too offensive for the masses,never seen a burka in a soap. If they have really taken the Saville reference out that's pathetic.
Uncle Albert Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Yeah I remember my name sake saying.. "Paki won't give us no credit" to Rodney, then watching it on UK Gold and seen that it had been removed.
Vlad the Fox Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 As far as I'm aware it hasn't been cut out. I was watching uk gold early last year and was surprised myself when del said 'paki shop.'
Uncle Albert Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 The episode I'm on about it has, Uncle Albert says it, the episode where Rodney buys all the sun tan lotion and its winter.
Alf Bentley Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 It's a bit ridiculous really. Mentioning Jimmy Saville, really? Are we supposed to pretend he never existed? Is mentioning Hitler banned as well? Obviously the show is outdated in some ways but I don't agree with censoring what is basically history. As far as British television history goes Only Fools and Horses is right at the forefront. It is what it is, it's an old show, and the characters are not real people. We don't have to agree with what they behave like (they were bloody crooks for god's sake), it's a comedy show, it's a story, it's not an opinion on races or TV presenters. The characters are what they are, and the show is what it is. It's embarrassing to pretend that certain things didn't happen. Maturity is all about accepting the past and not necessarily letting it affect the present and future. Even shows like Friends are cutting bits out now. Agree with this. Comedies are a form of drama, with particular settings in time and place, and particular characters - and they need to be vaguely credible. You couldn't have a drama/comedy about the BNP and not have characters make racist comments! Not that I'm drawing a precise parallel. People have used - and still use - all sorts of words/phrases without intending any harm, and the Only Fools characters would have been the sort to do so, making it a good script. Of course, if someone referred to "Paki shops" in a 2014 current affairs discussion, they could expect criticism (minor or major, depending on their intent), but hopefully not to have their comments cut. Is "Paki shop" falling into disuse, then? Come to think of it, I've not heard it recently, but certainly used to hear it not many years ago (with no serious racist intent). If it is still in use, then it's quite right that the sort of people who use it should be depicted using it in dramas, comedies or whatever.
Strokes Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Refering to a pakistani as a paki isnt always meant in an offensive way. It was no different to calling someone from scotland a scot or the irish paddys but it is not acceptable now due to it being used by those committing hate. Its a shame we have to ban words in such ways but tbh it was a word that some used to describe all asians regardless of their origin, i think that would be more offensive than the hate. Imagine if you emigrated and people thought you were welsh, RAGE.
DennisNedry Posted 17 January 2014 Author Posted 17 January 2014 I had heard about shows such as Love Thy Neighbour being racist, but that was the mid 70s. I'd have thought by the mid-late 80s that sort of thing wouldn't be allowed. On the subject of usage of 'Paki Shop' now, it's the sort of thing you would only say to good mates or family. I wouldn't risk saying it to a stranger because you never know what will offend some people.
Dr The Singh Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Refering to a pakistani as a paki isnt always meant in an offensive way. It was no different to calling someone from scotland a scot or the irish paddys but it is not acceptable now due to it being used by those committing hate. Its a shame we have to ban words in such ways but tbh it was a word that some used to describe all asians regardless of their origin, i think that would be more offensive than the hate. Imagine if you emigrated and people thought you were welsh, RAGE. Depends on who says it, in my experience anyone other then a pakistani/Indian, in any description would be offended! Personally i find the word revolting, as the 'power' of the word was always a negative and abusive one, which oppressed me as a child.
Fox92 Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 There's a Saville reference when Albert falls down the pub cellar. "My uncle was active before this injury, in fact, they used to call him the Jimmy Saville of Peckham".
Captain... Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 There's a Saville reference when Albert falls down the pub cellar. "My uncle was active before this injury, in fact, they used to call him the Jimmy Saville of Peckham". That has a whole new meaning now doesn't it. I was watching re-runs of world cup 94 the other day, they had removed all references to the Irish goalkeeper, political correctness gone mad.
Alf Bentley Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Depends on who says it, in my experience anyone other then a pakistani/Indian, in any description would be offended! Personally i find the word revolting, as the 'power' of the word was always a negative and abusive one, which oppressed me as a child. Fair comment, Doctor. I was concentrating on the (mainly white) people using the term, most but not all of whom would have had no racist intent. Important also to consider the effect of the term for those it's used about. I suspect most white people would only have used it to other non-Asians....but, in turn, maybe that tells you that they knew they shouldn't really be using it. That has a whole new meaning now doesn't it. I was watching re-runs of world cup 94 the other day, they had removed all references to the Irish goalkeeper, political correctness gone mad. Paki Bonner, you mean? Couldn't they just redub the commentary to say "Paddy Bonner"....Oh, No! That wouldn't work either! "Patrick Bonner" it is, then!
Dr The Singh Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Fair comment, Doctor. I was concentrating on the (mainly white) people using the term, most but not all of whom would have had no racist intent. Important also to consider the effect of the term for those it's used about. I suspect most white people would only have used it to other non-Asians....but, in turn, maybe that tells you that they knew they shouldn't really be using it. Paki Bonner, you mean? Couldn't they just redub the commentary to say "Paddy Bonner"....Oh, No! That wouldn't work either! "Patrick Bonner" it is, then! It's a difficult thing really, I could be in a pub, school, in any public place, and I could hear someone say the word 'paki', my instincts tell me it's an offence and possible confrontation, reporting to authorities etc should ensue. But the person who said it, could be reading it somewhere, or having no racial intent at all, obviously I would not know, and it could lead to a very innocent person being in alot of trouble. I'm not into suppression or politically correctness, I just think we haven't moved on enough, or evolved enough to start using certain terms yet, which is a shame. Having kids, it's very difficult to explain to them how things were, i'm just glad things are improving.
Rincewind Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Anyone remember Alf Garnett? johnny Speight intentionally made him racist and he was anti-racism and I believe a left winger. If you look at the shows how he intended Alf always lost the argument and was made to look stupid. But the trouble was there were people nodding in agreement with him. The same could be said of Love Thy Neighbour although I was not a big fan of that. The black neighbour was a lot more intelligent than the main character. Man About The house.? Rigsby had the piss taken out of him many times. I suppose satirical panel shows have taken their place. You know before they are going to mock prejudices by enhancing them. How do you refer to Pakistani shops? Or non-white. There is a local shop near me and I am not sure if they are Indian, Pakistani or Muslim. If i say Asian I could offend people. I normally say the shop near me then I could be asked if it's Asian or whatever. Like Dr says it depends on who says it and in what context. Paki shop is OK. Those effing Pakis that run that shop is not.
davieG Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Anyone remember Alf Garnett? johnny Speight intentionally made him racist and he was anti-racism and I believe a left winger. If you look at the shows how he intended Alf always lost the argument and was made to look stupid. But the trouble was there were people nodding in agreement with him. The same could be said of Love Thy Neighbour although I was not a big fan of that. The black neighbour was a lot more intelligent than the main character. Man About The house.? Rigsby had the piss taken out of him many times. I suppose satirical panel shows have taken their place. You know before they are going to mock prejudices by enhancing them. How do you refer to Pakistani shops? Or non-white. There is a local shop near me and I am not sure if they are Indian, Pakistani or Muslim. If i say Asian I could offend people. I normally say the shop near me then I could be asked if it's Asian or whatever. Like Dr says it depends on who says it and in what context. Paki shop is OK. Those effing Pakis that run that shop is not. Would you not describe it by what it's called and if you can't remember that by what it sell? Corner shop, off licence, general store etc.
Manwell Pablo Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 You ever seen Monty Python? ... I have their Flying Circus on DVD, and I highly doubt they'd get away with it now. I have every episode of OFAH on DVD and I notice when I see them on TV (on Gold) that they cut parts. You only have to look how times change though. I mean, the BBC used to ban music from getting played if it was drug related. Now look at music! Indeed musical censorship used to ridiculous, Jim Morrison of the Doors was asked to replace the lyrics to light my fire on one live show I believe, from "Girl we couldn't get much higher" to "Girl we couldn't get much better." Which he agreed to do but didn't follow through on.
Alexikokopops Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 I watched Love Actually on a Malaysia Air flight (in my defence it was Christmas time and I'd been awake for about 24 hours - I couldn't focus on anything complex). There was a warning at the start saying the film had been edited for Malaysia. It was only about half way through I realised they'd cut out the entire storyline with Martin Freeman and her out Gavin and Stacey, presumably because they meet as sex doubles
Captain... Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 I watched Love Actually on a Malaysia Air flight (in my defence it was Christmas time and I'd been awake for about 24 hours - I couldn't focus on anything complex). There was a warning at the start saying the film had been edited for Malaysia. It was only about half way through I realised they'd cut out the entire storyline with Martin Freeman and her out Gavin and Stacey, presumably because they meet as sex doubles Off topic, but I watched World War Z on a BA flight, and it said it had been edited for the flight, it basically cut out a huge plane crash scene, understandable, but when it is vital to the plot it seemed a little ridiculous to go from being on a plane with a zombie bursting out and chaos, to suddenly being on the ground surrounded by rubble. Surely you just advise that there is a scene depicting an air crash, and not to watch if you can't distinguish real life from a film. I was on an Air Canada flight not long after and my neghbour was watching it, so I kept glancing at the screen next to me, and watched to see if they had cut the same scene, they hadn't. Weird
Corky Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 It's a bit ridiculous really. Mentioning Jimmy Saville, really? Are we supposed to pretend he never existed? Is mentioning Hitler banned as well? Obviously the show is outdated in some ways but I don't agree with censoring what is basically history. As far as British television history goes Only Fools and Horses is right at the forefront. It is what it is, it's an old show, and the characters are not real people. We don't have to agree with what they behave like (they were bloody crooks for god's sake), it's a comedy show, it's a story, it's not an opinion on races or TV presenters. The characters are what they are, and the show is what it is. It's embarrassing to pretend that certain things didn't happen. Maturity is all about accepting the past and not necessarily letting it affect the present and future. Even shows like Friends are cutting bits out now. Seems like it, that comment was funny because it was in context and nothing to do with the subsequent stuff about Savile. You shouldn't take out all references to him, he did exist.
Guest MattP Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 at the Jimmy Savile stuff, I need to watch that again.
Zingari Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 When i was a kid the "paki man" referred to a travelling door to door salesman who sold stuff that you paid off weekly, like an iron or vacuum cleaner. Did anyone else's parents or grandparents use this term ?
Guest MattP Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 When i was a kid the "paki man" referred to a travelling door to door salesman who sold stuff that you paid off weekly, like an iron or vacuum cleaner. Did anyone else's parents or grandparents use this term ? Never heard that. Nig nog and darkie were always popular choices though from memory.
Dr The Singh Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Never heard that. Nig nog and darkie were always popular choices though from memory. For door to door salesman!! We just used punjabi swear words, still do!!
foxoffderby Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Refering to a pakistani as a paki isnt always meant in an offensive way. It was no different to calling someone from scotland a scot or the irish paddys but it is not acceptable now due to it being used by those committing hate. Its a shame we have to ban words in such ways but tbh it was a word that some used to describe all asians regardless of their origin, i think that would be more offensive than the hate. Imagine if you emigrated and people thought you were welsh, RAGE. Most stupid comment I've ever heard on this site. That word is very offensive and in no way should be used in society. Since its orgin it has always been used as an offensive context.
Raj Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Never heard that. Nig nog and darkie were always popular choices though from memory. ...This could turn into a very dodgy thread!!
Webbo Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 For door to door salesman!! We just used punjabi swear words, still do!! When I was at Soar Valley one of the Indian kids taught a phrase (I'm spelling this phonetically) Daddy man ganny bubbla tat. I said it to another Indian kid and he nearly filled me in.
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