StanSP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Just wondering if the way this country is currently being run has anything to do with people not caring about the England football team as much? Its becoming less English as every day passes. lol as if.
Stadt Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 We could not win the World Cup again for another 100 years, in that time we could have finished in that top 6 numerous times.
hackneyfox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 It's the Englishness that bothers me. BNP, EDL, people moaning about 'darkies' down the pub, fighting on a Friday night, celebrating by smashing the crap out of the place, people banging on about what Churchill would have made of all these Poles and Rumanians nicking our jobs... And then, when you finally get out of the place, you have to pretend you're not really English every time someone yielding a St. George's cross towel with 'what goes on tour stays on tour' comes anywhere near you. This It was the actions of England fans that stopped me going to games, that was home games, away games have been even worse over the years. I won't stand for the national anthem, that used to get me grief at Wembley, away from home I'd have probably got a slap. Thankfully things have improved massively.
Captain... Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 The problem with this is the likelihood of the 2 events and the significance, Leicester staying up is very probable, at the moment bookies would probably give you odds of less than evens for us to stay up. Whereas the odds of England winning the World Cup are 28/1 Secondly the significance of the events aren't comparable, a trophy, a title, an entry in the history books, something that can never be taken away if England win the World Cup or Leicester staying up, something we have done before, many times, most of us have witnessed it and something that can be taken away the following season. Still going for England. Now LCFC win the FA cup vs England winning the World Cup, now that is a tough one...
inckley fox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Supporting a football team doesn't make you "patriotic" anyway. I suspect it's the other way round. National pride and supporting the national football team do tend to be linked. More so than local pride and the football club you choose to support. I mean, you don't get many people down the bar declaring that they're Brazil, Spain or Germany fans, do you (unless they happen to be from one of the above)? And on the subject of Germany, it was almost unknown for them to fly their flag in public until they hosted the World Cup. So their national football team and their sense of patriotism were very closely connected.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Because I'll be in Brazil for the whole tournament and Rio for the final I went for England to win the World Cup, purely selfish reasons! Normally it's club over country any day of the week but even then what you've offered is hardly beyond our wildest dreams. Leicester to stay in The Premiership is what should happen, not something that we've been trying to do forever like us winning the FA Cup. Even if we come back down again next season we'll be £60million in parachute payments better off for it so it won't be some great disaster. There's actually a lot about The Championship that I'm sure we will all miss as well.
theessexfox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 The problem with this is the likelihood of the 2 events and the significance, Leicester staying up is very probable, at the moment bookies would probably give you odds of less than evens for us to stay up. Whereas the odds of England winning the World Cup are 28/1 Secondly the significance of the events aren't comparable, a trophy, a title, an entry in the history books, something that can never be taken away if England win the World Cup or Leicester staying up, something we have done before, many times, most of us have witnessed it and something that can be taken away the following season. Still going for England. Now LCFC win the FA cup vs England winning the World Cup, now that is a tough one... That's a no-brainer - FA cup.
hackneyfox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Now LCFC win the FA cup vs England winning the World Cup, now that is a tough one... Is it really?
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Common sense doesn't apply when it comes to making excuses for the team you love. I think we all excuse our own players but would hate to see the likes of Terry or Marlon King join. Most people hated David Speedie with a passion, I only knew one person who wouldn't go to a game while he was at the club. Well yes but as I've said to you three times now, I don't get why this doesn't carry over to the national side. I know we've all been let down by some shit performances and some of the current internationals are total wands but surely us winning the World Cup, the biggest competition in football, if not world sport, a once in a lifetime achievement (would be for me anyway) over a season in the prem where we could well end up going down the second season having achieved the grand scheme of nothing anyway? It's not contest for anyone with any interest in the national side at all.
Black country fox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Leicester aren't in the world cup so prem survival for me. As for England world cup victory would do nicely
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 It's the Englishness that bothers me. BNP, EDL, people moaning about 'darkies' down the pub, fighting on a Friday night, celebrating by smashing the crap out of the place, people banging on about what Churchill would have made of all these Poles and Rumanians nicking our jobs... And then, when you finally get out of the place, you have to pretend you're not really English every time someone yielding a St. George's cross towel with 'what goes on tour stays on tour' comes anywhere near you. You must go out in some very different places to me.
hackneyfox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Well yes but as I've said to you three times now, I don't get why this doesn't carry over to the national side. I know we've all been let down by some shit performances and some of the current internationals are total wands but surely us winning the World Cup, the biggest competition in football, if not world sport, a once in a lifetime achievement (would be for me anyway) over a season in the prem where we could well end up going down the second season having achieved the grand scheme of nothing anyway? It's not contest for anyone with any interest in the national side at all. I have an interest in the national side but it pales into insignificance when compared to my feelings for the club.
AKCJ Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Couldn't care less about the England national side. It'd probably help if players were chosen on merit.
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 I have an interest in the national side but it pales into insignificance when compared to my feelings for the club. So you'd rather we beat Yeovil on Tuesday than England win the World Cup then?
inckley fox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 This It was the actions of England fans that stopped me going to games, that was home games, away games have been even worse over the years. I won't stand for the national anthem, that used to get me grief at Wembley, away from home I'd have probably got a slap. Thankfully things have improved massively. No, I don't stand for the anthem either. It's not that I'm awkward or argumentative about these matters - there are aspects of Englishness that it's right to be proud of (though very few of the flag-waving types I know would be able to tell you what they are, beyond 'Eng-er-land Eng-er-land'), but I just don't feel that it's something worth standing up for. I was in Germany last year when a hundred odd Englishmen burst into the bar. In no time they were singing the national anthem and if I'd uttered a word I would have had to spend the next four hours cleaning their spit out of my ear hole. I had to spend the rest of the day speaking Spanish so they didn't 'get' me.
jimmeh Posted 20 March 2014 Author Posted 20 March 2014 I imagine a lot will be changing there views when the world cup actually begins. England flags everywhere, the world cup song is out, the sun is out, football on everyday, the pubs all packed out. England to win the world cup ??? I am absolutely gobsmacked how more have voted for survival in the premiership. Survival? Ridiculous
Guest MattP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 It's the Englishness that bothers me. BNP, EDL, people moaning about 'darkies' down the pub, fighting on a Friday night, celebrating by smashing the crap out of the place, people banging on about what Churchill would have made of all these Poles and Rumanians nicking our jobs... And then, when you finally get out of the place, you have to pretend you're not really English every time someone yielding a St. George's cross towel with 'what goes on tour stays on tour' comes anywhere near you. That's the strangest thing I've read on here for a while. You must know far different England fans to the ones I do.
shade Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 world cup easily, and i dont even follow england because of how useless we are. premiership survival just sounds depressing, i'd rather be challenging at the top of the championship than languishing at the bottom of the premiership. if you said world cup or FA cup, then FA cup.
jimmeh Posted 20 March 2014 Author Posted 20 March 2014 I think a lot have forgotten what the world cup is like tbh. Can't wait for it. Buzzing! Come on England!
inckley fox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 You must go out in some very different places to me. Have you not come across ill-informed nationalism before? I'm surprised. There are racists and bigots everywhere, it's just that they come to the surface that little bit more when England are playing. Or when they're on holiday.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 England Schmingland Pudding and Pingland
hackneyfox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 That's the strangest thing I've read on here for a while. You must know far different England fans to the ones I do. Dd you go to England games 10 years ago? There's till far roo many 'patriots' involved nowadays.
inckley fox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 That's the strangest thing I've read on here for a while. You must know far different England fans to the ones I do. Clearly I do. I'm amazed you've never seen the connection between national pride and extreme nationalism before. It does exist.
Guest MattP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Dd you go to England games 10 years ago? There's till far roo many 'patriots' involved nowadays. Been to a few from inbetween 1994 to 2009 home and away. Saw very little of what is being described. Don't understand the last line, far too many "patriots" going to watch their national team play football? That makes no sense whatsoever. Clearly I do. I'm amazed you've never seen the connection between national pride and extreme nationalism before. It does exist. I didn't realise I had said that. Baffling. The groups you alluded to were British nationalists rather than English nationalists.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Premier league survival is achievable England winning the World Cup in Brazil won't happen
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