Captain... Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26711403 I'm sure most of you know what happened with Gibbs and Oxlade Chamberlain but it raises some questions: Should he be banned for sending off the wrong player? When will we finally give the ref the option of consulting a video? Do we need some more assistant referees? For the first part, I think refs need to be held accountable for what they have done, but I don't see how banning him will solve anything other than to give people a sense he has been punished. Dropping him to the Championship could just mean a sub-standard ref being promoted to prem matches. He does have to take responsibility though, and his assistants, not for making the mistake, mistakes happen, but when the culprit comes up to you twice saying that it was him, you should listen and that is where he fvcked up. It all could have been resolved by a quick check of the video, madness that refs don't have that option, he must have known he had fvcked up when AOC told him it was him, but he had no recourse to check and rectify his mistake. UEFA spoeksman said it is a call for more assistant refs, more eyes to help the ref, but we've seen in some of the Europa league trials of 4 assistants that they make fvck all difference. Finally what the fvck was AOC doing, it was a stupid thing to do at that stage of the game.
ousefox Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 Shouldn't be banned - everyone can make a mistake like that. I do think that once a player has been given a red card, refs don't feel like they can rescind it straight away which seems odd. It would have taken less than 2 minutes to sort out but for some reason there is no going back.
Corky Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 He probably needs a week away from the spotlight and do a lower game, not because he's a bad ref but just to avoid all the publicity. He made a mistake and has admitted it, all players and managers make mistakes and carry on with their jobs.
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 Shouldn't be banned - everyone can make a mistake like that. I do think that once a player has been given a red card, refs don't feel like they can rescind it straight away which seems odd. It would have taken less than 2 minutes to sort out but for some reason there is no going back. Ye what?
ousefox Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 Ye what? They look fairly similar do they not? It's not like he intentionally went out to send one off and not the other. I don't usually stick up for refs but on this occasion it's something that can happen, and it didn't influence the result of the game either.
Benji Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 Media seem to be taking this way too far, again. Maybe take him out of the spotlight for a week or two but it's a bad mistake and he's apologised. Most people think it should have been a red, even if to the wrong person so it's not like Arsenal hugely lost out - they would have been 3-0 down regardless. It's bad enough some of the refs we have to put up with without over the top punishments on the few decent ones at the top.
MC Prussian Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 They look fairly similar do they not? It's not like he intentionally went out to send one off and not the other. I don't usually stick up for refs but on this occasion it's something that can happen, and it didn't influence the result of the game either. They're about the same height, but that's about it. Short haircut aside, they have completely different facial features and necks. Besides, Marriner had a clear view of the incident. I don't think he should be banned, but restricted to a few games in lower league for a while. He has apologized and that's it. They were making such a big fuss about it on MOTD 2 yesterday. Let it go.
Finnegan Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 Send him to be an intern at the society of black lawyers for a few weeks!
Wycombe Fox Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 No. Football needs to drag itself into the 21st Century and use more technology. If cricket and Rugby Union can do it then so can football. Controversial decisions used to accepted as part of the game as in 'swings and roundabouts throughout the season'. There's too much at stake nowadays to be expected to accept 'hit and miss' officiating.
Vacamion Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 No. Football needs to drag itself into the 21st Century and use more technology. If cricket and Rugby Union can do it then so can football. Controversial decisions used to accepted as part of the game as in 'swings and roundabouts throughout the season'. There's too much at stake nowadays to be expected to accept 'hit and miss' officiating. The other difference between Football and other sports is that in this game, after the handball, loads of players rushed up to the ref to shout the odds and try to influence his decision. By the time the ref had shoo'ed them away, Ox and Gibbs had moved around quite a bit. That said, I also agree that refs should be able to rescind cards there and then if they get new and better evidence and that they should be able to consult video replays.
Richard Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 Referees aren't going to be 100% sure on every decision, to me it just makes sense to allow them to look at a video replay. If a referee isn't sure in a call, he should be allowed to request to see a replay at his digression
Captain... Posted 24 March 2014 Author Posted 24 March 2014 The other difference between Football and other sports is that in this game, after the handball, loads of players rushed up to the ref to shout the odds and try to influence his decision. By the time the ref had shoo'ed them away, Ox and Gibbs had moved around quite a bit. That said, I also agree that refs should be able to rescind cards there and then if they get new and better evidence and that they should be able to consult video replays. For me this is why it is a big issue, not that he made a mistake, but that he couldn't do anything about it after realising he had. Surely the 4th official would have noticed or someone could have got word to him that he made a mistake and he can fix it quickly. The speed at which Sky can replay decisions and conclusively prove what has happens means it won't take long and all the faffing around with Ox telling the ref it was him it could have been resolved in seconds. Referees aren't going to be 100% sure on every decision, to me it just makes sense to allow them to look at a video replay. If a referee isn't sure in a call, he should be allowed to request to see a replay at his digression Especially when someone says "it was me, you should have sent me off", you aren't going to say that unless it is true.
Kitchandro Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 It's a freak incident. Typical of people to start coming out with things like we need video evidence for things like that. If we're saying referees are that useless that they need video replays for things like that, we may as well have matches refereed by a panel sitting in the stands watching screens for the whole game.
Kitchandro Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 Media seem to be taking this way too far, again. Maybe take him out of the spotlight for a week or two but it's a bad mistake and he's apologised. Most people think it should have been a red, even if to the wrong person so it's not like Arsenal hugely lost out - they would have been 3-0 down regardless. It's bad enough some of the refs we have to put up with without over the top punishments on the few decent ones at the top. I don't think it was a red card, it didn't deny a goal.
Kitchandro Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 The other difference between Football and other sports is that in this game, after the handball, loads of players rushed up to the ref to shout the odds and try to influence his decision. By the time the ref had shoo'ed them away, Ox and Gibbs had moved around quite a bit. That said, I also agree that refs should be able to rescind cards there and then if they get new and better evidence and that they should be able to consult video replays. The other difference between football and other sports is that football is far better than all the others. I've said it for ages, the answer is better officials, not technology. If we make them use technology for things like this it's going to get ridiculous.
Mack Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 2/3 game ban just like a player who ****s up then move on. Referees needs to be more obviously reprimanded for their mistakes just like players to make it more clear in my opinion.
leicsmac Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 It's a freak incident. Typical of people to start coming out with things like we need video evidence for things like that. If we're saying referees are that useless that they need video replays for things like that, we may as well have matches refereed by a panel sitting in the stands watching screens for the whole game. You're happy with a quite easily fallible refereeing system to continue to be used despite how much football has moved on in other areas? The other difference between football and other sports is that football is far better than all the others. I've said it for ages, the answer is better officials, not technology. If we make them use technology for things like this it's going to get ridiculous. Pretentious much? No matter how well we train the officials, there is still going to be the element of fallibility in there. I guess it comes down to whether or not you're willing to accept that out of a desire to keep the game 'pure' - whatever that means.
Finnegan Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 The officiating and laws regarding officiating in rugby is about a thousand, million times better than football.
Fox in the North Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 The officiating and laws regarding officiating in rugby is about a thousand, million times better than football. It really really is, unfortunately I can't see it ever passing over to football.
Guest Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 The officiating and laws regarding officiating in rugby is about a thousand, million times better than football. And so is the respect given to the officials and the laws. It is one area that lets football down and desperately needs improving.
Super_horns Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 I presume there was no chance he reverse the decision once Gibbs had the red card. Least he said sorry - have the Arsenal players/Wenger said that to their fans for the "performance" they put in. In someways the red card mistake has masked their failings.
Guest Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 I presume there was no chance he reverse the decision once Gibbs had the red card. Least he said sorry - have the Arsenal players/Wenger said that to their fans for the "performance" they put in. In someways the red card mistake has masked their failings. Why not? If he couldn't then I suggest the rules need a change.
Richard Posted 24 March 2014 Posted 24 March 2014 For me this is why it is a big issue, not that he made a mistake, but that he couldn't do anything about it after realising he had. Surely the 4th official would have noticed or someone could have got word to him that he made a mistake and he can fix it quickly. The speed at which Sky can replay decisions and conclusively prove what has happens means it won't take long and all the faffing around with Ox telling the ref it was him it could have been resolved in seconds. Especially when someone says "it was me, you should have sent me off", you aren't going to say that unless it is true. I was thinking about this yesterday, and it could be beneficial in some circumstances if another player took the blame for a sending off, though it'd never happen. Say last night Ronaldo was sent off in El Clasico. If Modric would've taken the blame for it they could've replaced him with Khedira, whereas if Ronaldo would've been sent off he'd have been impossible to replace to his standard. Obviously no player is going to offer himself up for another player but there still must be doubt in the referees mind. Marriner couldn't have just sent off Chamberlain because he said so...
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