Should Andre Marriner be banned?

[Bayfox]

Listening to talksport earlier and ex ref explained he could have changed his mind right up until play kicked off again. So why didn't he?

Also there has been a case once this season in the football league where the ban was transferred to the correct player. So surely this will happen.

Lastly. Why the **** do they suggest giving him a championship game. Like we want him

[Captain...]

I was thinking about this yesterday, and it could be beneficial in some circumstances if another player took the blame for a sending off, though it'd never happen.

 

Say last night Ronaldo was sent off in El Clasico. If Modric would've taken the blame for it they could've replaced him with Khedira, whereas if Ronaldo would've been sent off he'd have been impossible to replace to his standard. Obviously no player is going to offer himself up for another player but there still must be doubt in the referees mind. Marriner couldn't have just sent off Chamberlain because he said so... 

 

I agree that you can't take the players word at face value, but if a player says that they were the culprit and that the wrong man has been punished, the ref really should stop and think, "I've probably ballsed this up." But the laws as they are don't give him any way to make the right decision.

 

The problem is defining at what point a ref can ask for assistance, and as soon as you allow it in some cases you will get pressure through out the game for the ref to check.

 

In cases where the ref has seen something incorrect, and not on a judgement such as a foul or a goal scoring opportunity, then it should be used. For example if a player says it wasn't him, or says it didn't hit his hand, such as when someone got sent off when the ball hit his head. But then if you do that, do you do it for whether a foul is in the area? What about offsides. Do you leave it up to the ref, or have it as a decision review system? Would a team then waste a review on getting the right man sent off?

 

The goal line technology is a start, but I just think refs should have the ability to over turn a decision after they have made it, it is just farcical for a match to continue when everyone knows that the ref has fvcked up.

[Benji]

I don't think it was a red card, it didn't deny a goal.

 

Hah, I said most for the sole reason that I remember you saying you didn't think it was on another thread!

[Lionator]

2/3 game ban just like a player who ****s up then move on.

Referees needs to be more obviously reprimanded for their mistakes just like players to make it more clear in my opinion.

 

This sort of attitude riles me. 

 

When a player makes a mistake it rarely if ever leads to a 3 game ban. Normally it's because a player has done something dangerous. 

[Super_horns]

Why not?

 

If he couldn't then I suggest the rules need a change.

Agreed - it would have saved a lot of hassle.

[Les-TA-Jon]

Arsenal were chasing the game, their only way back in was to score goals. Therefore they'd surely want Chamberlain on the pitch and not Gibbs. So what's the big deal anyway?

[Danizen]

He shouldn't be banned, right now but the next time Webb or Dean or someone makes a **** up, Marriner should be put on Championship duties for a few weeks. See how he likes it!

[Guest Col city fan]

Shouldn't be banned - everyone can make a mistake like that.

I do think that once a player has been given a red card, refs don't feel like they can rescind it straight away which seems odd. It would have taken less than 2 minutes to sort out but for some reason there is no going back.

I think the FA is completely one-sided. If a manager, in a post-match interview speaks of anything that is construed as criticising a ref, they are disciplined. Usually by some meaningless fine.

Now, if a ref makes such a big error as sending off the wrong player, they appear to get away with it scot-free. There appears to be no fine imposed, and no ban for the ref. In this case, he's got the Newcastle game next Saturday.

The FA seem to me to be biased and one-sided. Ok, defend your referees, but equal things up at least a little bit.

[Bert]

He should face some sort of punishment. It makes it all even worse that AOC told him TWICE that he was the culprit.

[Corky]

He should face some sort of punishment. It makes it all even worse that AOC told him TWICE that he was the culprit.

 

To be honest, given some of the play-acting and dishonesty amongst players, if I was a ref I wouldn't be totally sure to take them on their word.

[Jimothy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26711403

Just posted this in the Premier League thread too. Neither player will serve a ban.

[Strokes]

Its a bad mistake but in all honesty, what harm was done. Ox will pick up the punishment, arsenal went down to 10 men and Chelsea got the Peno. It would have been worse if he hadn't given anything, which happens all the time.

[Jimothy]

Its a bad mistake but in all honesty, what harm was done. Ox will pick up the punishment, arsenal went down to 10 men and Chelsea got the Peno. It would have been worse if he hadn't given anything, which happens all the time.

Either you've got me on ignore or you missed my post above yours

[Corky]

Good on him for admitting his mistake and letting it all go with no bans, if only more managers could admit their own mistakes from time to time.

[Strokes]

Either you've got me on ignore or you missed my post above yours

Damn

I might ignore you now

[Jimothy]

Damn

I might ignore you now

Charming!!!

[AKCJ]

I see no reason as to why a man should lose his job because the F.A. refuse to use technology to aid them.

[Buzzell]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26711403

I'm sure most of you know what happened with Gibbs and Oxlade Chamberlain but it raises some questions:

Should he be banned for sending off the wrong player?

When will we finally give the ref the option of consulting a video?

Do we need some more assistant referees?

For the first part, I think refs need to be held accountable for what they have done, but I don't see how banning him will solve anything other than to give people a sense he has been punished. Dropping him to the Championship could just mean a sub-standard ref being promoted to prem matches.

He does have to take responsibility though, and his assistants, not for making the mistake, mistakes happen, but when the culprit comes up to you twice saying that it was him, you should listen and that is where he fvcked up.

It all could have been resolved by a quick check of the video, madness that refs don't have that option, he must have known he had fvcked up when AOC told him it was him, but he had no recourse to check and rectify his mistake.

UEFA spoeksman said it is a call for more assistant refs, more eyes to help the ref, but we've seen in some of the Europa league trials of 4 assistants that they make fvck all difference.

Finally what the fvck was AOC doing, it was a stupid thing to do at that stage of the game.

****ing brilliant save!

[Manwell Pablo]

They look fairly similar do they not?

 

It's not like he intentionally went out to send one off and not the other. I don't usually stick up for refs but on this occasion it's something that can happen, and it didn't influence the result of the game either.

 

Racist

 

In all seriousness, sending off the wrong player no matter how similar they look is unforgivable, it can only happen if your extremely careless one of the first things he should of done was establish which player it was before doing anything else. Disgraceful error for a professional referee to make.

[Dan]

I think it'd be a travesty that one ref gets penlised for his mistake (was it THAT costly in the grand scheme?) whilst others make awful decisions up and down the country week in, week out. Punishing Marriner isn't going to solve the whole problem - a change in attitude from the FA, and acceptance that things can and should be improved, would do more for the game than punishing Marriner. Though I wouldn't be against giving him a week off.

[Dan]

I think the FA is completely one-sided. If a manager, in a post-match interview speaks of anything that is construed as criticising a ref, they are disciplined. Usually by some meaningless fine.

Now, if a ref makes such a big error as sending off the wrong player, they appear to get away with it scot-free. There appears to be no fine imposed, and no ban for the ref. In this case, he's got the Newcastle game next Saturday.

The FA seem to me to be biased and one-sided. Ok, defend your referees, but equal things up at least a little bit.

 

Agree with this. Then again expecting competence from the FA is like expecting to win the lottery without a ticket.

[Captain...]

I think it'd be a travesty that one ref gets penlised for his mistake (was it THAT costly in the grand scheme?) whilst others make awful decisions up and down the country week in, week out. Punishing Marriner isn't going to solve the whole problem - a change in attitude from the FA, and acceptance that things can and should be improved, would do more for the game than punishing Marriner. Though I wouldn't be against giving him a week off.

 

For me it is not that he made a mistake, nor that it was that costly, it was the fact he must have realised as soon as Ox told him that he had fvcked up and that the rules set down by the FA means there is nothing he can do about it.

[Dan]

For me it is not that he made a mistake, nor that it was that costly, it was the fact he must have realised as soon as Ox told him that he had fvcked up and that the rules set down by the FA means there is nothing he can do about it.

 

Do you blame Marriner for not trusting him though with the amount of blatant lies and bending of the rules players produce every game? For all he knew it could've been Chamberlain doing it tactically.

 

I can see what people are getting at but I don't blame him for not trusting a player's word. The majority are cheats.

 

The biggest farce is how not a single official saw who was sent off.

[Haydos]

I don't think it was a red card, it didn't deny a goal.

 

It's a red card every single time, no argument whatsoever. It was travelling towards and very close to the goal and if the ref thinks that he may have stopped it going in then he should send him off which is what he did.

[Dan]

I think it's like Matt Mills away at Hull a couple of years ago - technically not a red card, but fully understandable as to why one was given.