Kitchandro Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Mahrez is going to be a Premier league star, unfortunately if Knockeart puts in many more performances like this he will miss the party, Dyer & James changed the game when they came on.... James did, Dyer did nothing.
Fox92 Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Thought Knockaert was better than Mahrez first half today... Surprised Knocky went off actually, thought it should have been King myself.
Tuna Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 I have grave reservations about him being up to the required standard next season.
fuchsntf Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Today knocky found himself surrounded, when free he ran unfortunatly back down the alley. Mahrez has sometimes the same problems, they both fail but only sometimes to see the easier lay off. Maybe thats wanted, and NP has given and told them to run at the opposition. Both blow hot and cold, proof teams they knocked over before january, they must learn ,2nd time around the opposition will double up or push you into unwanted channels.Still cant wait to see how they progress over the next few seasons. NP might play differently next season, theres alot of new exciting prospects and experiences to live and enjoy, lets just go with the ride..
Kitchandro Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 For me though, Mahrez knows when to pass better than knockaert. Mahrez will loose the ball but this doesn't tend to be in dangerous positions. Agree on the work rate though. They both have class but Mahrez gets past players with so much ease. You see this has been Mahrez's weakness for me, he dribbles it for too long occasionally and often dives if he's about to lose it. He also can pick a great killer pass but there's definitely some naivety there as well. His asset that Knockaert doesn't have is pace, and the ability to carry the ball over long distances.
lifted*fox Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 like the rest of the squad, done his job in a long season and got us up. if he wants to try and cartwheel and cruyff turn round 7 men in a pointless and otherwise incredibly boring game then let him. amen!
deepbluedevil Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Hes still a great player. His performances for me seem to have dipped ever since Mahrez has got a run in the side. Its almost like Knocky doesn't like the fact that someone else has become the golden boy of the moment. This is making him try too hard to please by taking on the world sometimes when he should just play the simple stuff. Totally agree with this.
NewburyFox Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Yes but he's playing out of position isn't he. You can't expect him to be at his best. Half his problem is he's just too slow. I can't understand why when James & Dyer came on King didn't go off instead of Knocky. I thought King was average and I'm desperate to see Knockaert in the middle for once, a position which undoubtedly plays to his strengths rather than the wing. People wouldn't care so much about him losing the ball if he got the ball more and was able to create things with his guile. Frankly, it's not really fair on him. If Drinkwater was playing out wide I bet people would be giving him stick. They are two different players. Mahrez is a winger, Knockaert isn't. Being played slightly out of position (and it is only slightly, the right side of midfield is not exactly an alien position to him) doesn't excuse the numerous times that he does too much and loses the ball. He doesn't have the speed or the right foot to make much of an impact in the PL IMO. Mahrez on the other hand has two good feet, pace, and doesn't give the ball away half as often. He will be a crucial player for us next season.
EnglishOxide Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Now is not the time to be dissing our own players. It was a tough game today and Knockaert came up against some very physical players. Id disagree that he has been worse than last season. Id argue that he doesnt stand out as much because everybody else have hauled themselves up to his level and he doesnt get to drift centrally as often. He will still need to up his game next season, but so will everybody.
Kitchandro Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Being played slightly out of position (and it is only slightly, the right side of midfield is not exactly an alien position to him) doesn't excuse the numerous times that he does too much and loses the ball. He doesn't have the speed or the right foot to make much of an impact in the PL IMO. Mahrez on the other hand has two good feet, pace, and doesn't give the ball away half as often. He will be a crucial player for us next season. He looked to be playing on the left for most of today, which is a big difference, considering he's left footed and likes to cut inside. In fact he needs to cut inside to be effective, that's where he's dangerous. So yeh, it's a huge difference actually. You can't ask a player to play against his own strengths and then complain he's not effecting the game. He's had season where he's been playing there the whole time and has still been an important member of the team. If Drinkwater was playing out wide do you think he'd be effective? Of course he wouldn't, he doesn't have the pace for that role. Put him in the middle though and he's the key player. For me Mahrez gives the ball away just as often. I'm not really sure what players you're watching. Obviously losing it isn't great but it is an inevitability if you're a player who likes taking people on.
weller54 Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Taking him off for Dyer was a joke!.. Dyer's been so poor for a while now.. So predictable.. Push the ball past the defender and run Forest run!!!!...
veezeeblue Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Rest him and put Dyer on if we are going to play this formation for rest of season, and we will see. Personally I prefer Dyer he complements Schlupp better down the left.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 I just love threads that rip 2 of our best players(and in the league) apart, it just wouldn't be foxes talk with it
NewburyFox Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 He looked to be playing on the left for most of today, which is a big difference, considering he's left footed and likes to cut inside. In fact he needs to cut inside to be effective, that's where he's dangerous. So yeh, it's a huge difference actually. You can't ask a player to play against his own strengths and then complain he's not effecting the game. He's had season where he's been playing there the whole time and has still been an important member of the team. If Drinkwater was playing out wide do you think he'd be effective? Of course he wouldn't, he doesn't have the pace for that role. Put him in the middle though and he's the key player. For me Mahrez gives the ball away just as often. I'm not really sure what players you're watching. Obviously losing it isn't great but it is an inevitability if you're a player who likes taking people on. Meh he switched around a lot behind Nugent, it doesn't excuse the number of times he lost it. The same would happen if he was played in the hole. He's given license to drift off his flank at RM, he often pops up in the middle and on the left. If he was in the middle he'd still drift around the pitch. He's still a very good player for this level, but he's got too many flaws (namely his lack of pace and lack of a right foot) to make much of an impact next season. Well obviously not, he's a central midfield playmaker, not a wide player. If he was shunted out wide though (and he has been from time to time next season), I'd expect him to do a job out there and look after the ball.
john ridley Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Not been at his best recently , but never lacks effort , sometimes over plays it but then pops up with a goal like against Wednesday .
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 He's 22.... Most players these days don't even get into a first team regularly until they're 21 but Knockaert's been our talisman for two seasons having come from a foreign country and having had to adapt to a completely new style of football. I agree that he's over-trying at times and possibly struggling that Mahrez is our 'go to' man at the moment, but to question if Knockaert is good enough for The Premiership is crazy. On his day he can rip teams at this level apart single-handedly so he can certainly do a job at the next level. He's young, he'll learn, he'll develop. He has the class so we should aceept that his dispalys are sometimes going to be eratic in their nature. I'd rather him try things because he knows and believes he has the ability to do them than just be a cog in the machine.
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 It's quickness. Knocky has all the skill in the world, but he may well be found-out at Prem level because he hasn't the speed to get away from what will be some very quick full backs. Mahrez is quicker. That's the main difference IMO.
NewburyFox Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 He's 22.... Most players these days don't even get into a first team regularly until they're 21 but Knockaert's been our talisman for two seasons having come from a foreign country and having had to adapt to a completely new style of football. I agree that he's over-trying at times and possibly struggling that Mahrez is our 'go to' man at the moment, but to question if Knockaert is good enough for The Premiership is crazy. On his day he can rip teams at this level apart single-handedly so he can certainly do a job at the next level. He's young, he'll learn, he'll develop. He has the class so we should aceept that his dispalys are sometimes going to be eratic in their nature. I'd rather him try things because he knows and believes he has the ability to do them than just be a cog in the machine. Fair point. He'll need to improve his decision making significantly and I have my concerns but he certainly has a lot of potential.
Number 6 Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 I flipping love a 4-2-3-1 but if we have King as the man behind the striker again I may cry.
lee(lcfc) Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 im getting fed up of him being ball geedy and then losing the ball, i think he trying to be better then mahrez e.g skills and taking people on
theessexfox Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Knocky is a matchwinner... think back to Watford, Millwall, Sheff Wed, etc.. moments of magic to turn a game. I think Mahrez is a better player - runs so smoothly and fluidly with the ball, goes past men with ease, has pace and deceptive strength.
MGLCFC Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Can't win with some people - we now have two wide players who are so creative. There is a reason why we are top scorers in the league - it's because at last we have flair player who create chances - yes their tricks don't always come off but I'd rather have that than the likes of Josh Low, Momo Sylla, Gabor Bori, Dany N'Guesson et al on the wing.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 He is a fantastic player and will come good again Didn't think he was that bad today anyway
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