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Adding an extra tier you'd imagine would cost circa £5million.

 

Very rough sums:

 

10,000 extra seats at £30 = £300,000 on top of the gate receipts every time we sell out meaning that you'd need about 17 sell-outs before the expansion pays for itself. With games against Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal in the Premier League, four seasons in the top flight and you'd probably have re-couped the money you'd paid out to do it.

 

Having seen our attendances swell since we got promoted I don't think it's unfeasable that we could quite regularly have attendances of 30,000+ in the Premier League given that away attendances will also be higher (with an expansion we could even have a regular away end of 5,000).

 

I'm all for it. Firstly it gives us the potential of bigger crowds when needed, secondly it would make our stadium a little different in terms of design, thirdly our stadium would be the best in the East Midlands and the go-to for any large sporting events (World Cup bids, England matches, Olympics etc) and finally it would allow for the expansion of L/K block - imagine a further 2,000 added on to the numbers already in L/K, there's your atmosphere problem solved!

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From what i remember the stadium was designed to be able to put a second tier on top of the stands with minimum cost and building costs with this situation in mind

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Love all the ideas and all for them. What I recall after we hosted that England game was the worry about traffic around the area. Parking sucks

 

Huge issue that needs addressing, I guess it's more of a council issue than the clubs though? :dunno: They'd need to work together.

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Adding an extra tier you'd imagine would cost circa £5million.

Very rough sums:

10,000 extra seats at £30 = £300,000 on top of the gate receipts every time we sell out meaning that you'd need about 17 sell-outs before the expansion pays for itself. With games against Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal in the Premier League, four seasons in the top flight and you'd probably have re-couped the money you'd paid out to do it.

Having seen our attendances swell since we got promoted I don't think it's unfeasable that we could quite regularly have attendances of 30,000+ in the Premier League given that away attendances will also be higher (with an expansion we could even have a regular away end of 5,000).

I'm all for it. Firstly it gives us the potential of bigger crowds when needed, secondly it would make our stadium a little different in terms of design, thirdly our stadium would be the best in the East Midlands and the go-to for any large sporting events (World Cup bids, England matches, Olympics etc) and finally it would allow for the expansion of L/K block - imagine a further 2,000 added on to the numbers already in L/K, there's your atmosphere problem solved!

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We get roughly 23000 ish at the moment.Lets wait until we've got people waiting outside(anyone remember the Cambridge playoff game) before we make a white elephant....look at Wolves.

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Just the east stand was designed with extending in mind.

 

Based on the parking situation they probably wouldn't get planning permission ad the original build stipulated a comprehensive matchdsy park and ride which I don't believe they've done.

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Adding an extra tier you'd imagine would cost circa £5million.

 

Very rough sums:

 

10,000 extra seats at £30 = £300,000 on top of the gate receipts every time we sell out meaning that you'd need about 17 sell-outs before the expansion pays for itself. With games against Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal in the Premier League, four seasons in the top flight and you'd probably have re-couped the money you'd paid out to do it.

 

Having seen our attendances swell since we got promoted I don't think it's unfeasable that we could quite regularly have attendances of 30,000+ in the Premier League given that away attendances will also be higher (with an expansion we could even have a regular away end of 5,000).

 

I'm all for it. Firstly it gives us the potential of bigger crowds when needed, secondly it would make our stadium a little different in terms of design, thirdly our stadium would be the best in the East Midlands and the go-to for any large sporting events (World Cup bids, England matches, Olympics etc) and finally it would allow for the expansion of L/K block - imagine a further 2,000 added on to the numbers already in L/K, there's your atmosphere problem solved!

Are you a building surveyor?

Have you any idea of costs, £5 mill goes absolutely nowhere on builds like that, also there won't be any World Cup bids for a long long time now, Olympics will never return in our lifetime again and England matches have to be played at Wembley because it went way over budget and needs paying back.

Then when we go back down to the second tier it will look like Elland Roads stand where no one sits in it for years.

Not a big enough club or city to have a massive stadium, ours is right for where we are.

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No point in extending it while it looks so shabby for a stadium that's little more than a decade old.

 

Sort the dirty and exposed framework out, strengthen the stands for concerts, tidy up the concourses and replace the faded seats in the stadium.

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Are you a building surveyor?

Have you any idea of costs, £5 mill goes absolutely nowhere on builds like that, also there won't be any World Cup bids for a long long time now, Olympics will never return in our lifetime again and England matches have to be played at Wembley because it went way over budget and needs paying back.

Then when we go back down to the second tier it will look like Elland Roads stand where no one sits in it for years.

Not a big enough club or city to have a massive stadium, ours is right for where we are.

 

I am not, which is why I said I would imagine....

 

But the stadium cost circa £35million to be built from scratch which is about £48million in today's terms I believe so, seeing as the stadium design was such that this expansion could be done quickly and cheaply (with the foundations already in place), I don't see why a £5million figure is such a wild estimate in your eyes - Bristol City and Brentford plan to build completely new stadiums for under £50million

 

Who's to say that FIFA won't be forced to re-open the bidding process for the Qatar World Cup? Or that the Olympics won't be back given the success of London 2012? Or that we won't bid for a Euros?! You never know! In terms of England I was thinking more England under-21 and England women's team or tournaments. Look at the rugby World Cup, having a great stadium in a very well-located part of the country makes us a major attraction for any sporting event, a larger capacity can only increase that attraction.

 

Personally, I couldn't care less if we get relegated and have empty seats. We've had opposition fans singing that at us for years in both this league and League One and I think the more important thing is that when you have the chance fill your stadium you can do so with a huge crowd, how many do you think we could sell for Doncaster on the last day?! Far more than 32,500 that's for sure. When I go to Leeds I don't think it's horrible that there are loads of empty seats, instead I think what an impressive large ground they have and that one day that club will be back in the top flight filling that ground and being one of English football's biggest clubs.

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Despite how many times I've been to rhe KP I now can't picture the front of each stand !! But wouldn't it be feasible and cheaper and quicker to add a row or possibly two all the way around the front of each stand if some extra capacity were required ? What would that give is ? Another one or two thousand ?

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No point in extending it while it looks so shabby for a stadium that's little more than a decade old.

 

Sort the dirty and exposed framework out, strengthen the stands for concerts, tidy up the concourses and replace the faded seats in the stadium.

 

And after that, build rows in front of the stands to make them much closer to the pitch, essential in any decent stadium.

 

Following that, we need to actively support safe standing and get a section put in ASAP.

 

In the long term, we should slowly transform the stadium, one stand at a time, to make it unique and atmospheric. The capacity does not need increasing by a significant amount, but we certainly need to be playing in a much prouder, impressive ground.

 

That's what I'd concentrate on, anyway.

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god i hope they don't end up building us a 45k seater stadium for us to sell 20k for a midweek game against barnsley in a few years. 

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In my dreams???

Re-build Filbert Street.

Have the old double decker with the Kop underneath, (with newly approved German-style safe-standing).

To increase capacity, have a big stand at the Filbert street end.

But keep the shitty East Stand for the away fans. I loved the way away fans thought of it as a urinal, that's all they deserved.

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A rising tier like Eastlands, with improved facilities would be sensible. In the PL I think that we could attract 35-40000 for the glamour fixtures. Just think how many times we took 35000ish to Wembley in the 90's.

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Additional capacity cannot be added within a middle of May to early August timeframe, therefore to do it would result in reduced capacity for part of a season.

 

The club would be crazy to do that the first season back in the Premiership.

 

On going season ticket sales will answer the question in the long term. Currently less than 50% of the ground capacity is taken by season ticket holders

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