European Election Results

[orangecity23]

Thought so......just wanted to be sure it was the same crazy nutter he was referring to.

 Indeed - Helmer is a senior figure, and makes outlandish statements - the point stands that not everything he says is UKIP policy. In my earlier flippant post I pointed out that an equivalent statement on Labour and banning Page 3 - the views of Harriett Harman, shadow deputy prime minister. One of the highest ranked people in the Labour party, but the view is her own, and is not a Labour policy.

 

On the other hand one could question why UKIP have allowed Helmer to rise so high in their party, given his history of making stupid statements on his personal views on Homosexuality, religion, rape etc. Perhaps it is because of his status as a high profile defector from the Tories.

[Alf Bentley]

You must think we're all fools, Alf.

Not a penny more than £50...

 

 

All donations received with much gratitude and even greater humility...

 

On a serious note, what this election seems to show above all is just how divided this country is becoming: cities v. counties, more than just North/South. Always the case to some extent, but seems to be getting worse and I don't think that's a good thing. We really don't want to end up with all the polarisation and bitterness that exists in the USA between West/East Coast Democratic voters and Republicans in the South/Mid-West/West...or do we?

 

I get the impression that for a growing number on the right seeing the country torn apart would be a price worth paying, provided that they could hand out a kicking to the lefties, multiculturalists, immigrants, "scroungers" and others they blame for ruining "their" society in some ill-defined way. Just as with the Tea Party in the US, there seems to be a mood that lefty multiculturalists do not just have different beliefs or lives from the "right-thinking would-be majority", but that they are inferior members of society in some way, almost subhuman...an attitude sometimes wrongly met with contempt from the left.

 

I hope that such attitudes don't spread. I also hope that those who see coexistence, redistribution and tolerance of difference as the norm do not express contempt for the likes of UKIP. For now, if we have to have a party of the reactionary, populist right, I'm bloody glad that we only have UKIP and not the BNP, LePen's Front National or Golden Dawn. I hope that UKIP will continue to disassociate itself from groups like that - and that those on the left will argue with UKIP by challenging its policies rather than by accusing it of being a racist party (unless its conduct justifies that accusation). Such accusations would just fan the hostility on the right, causing even more polarisation.

 

Will be very interesting to see how all the parties - Con, Lab, LD & UKIP - respond to this result, particularly when the general election looks to be on a knife-edge...

[dsr-burnley]

The last time there was a global recession followed by a political resurgence of the far right (not saying all of the successful parties in these elections are far right but some certainly are) in Europe, things ended a little bit badly. If I recall correctly.

1970's, followed by Margaret Thatcher?  What happened?

 

Let's get away from the idea that UKIP is purely a right-wing party.  UKIP + Conservatives took over 50% of the vote.  The conservatives in my lifetime have never taken anywhere near 50% of the vote, so UKIP must be getting them from somewhere else as well.

[MooseBreath]

Let's be honest, you know socialism's dead when even the french can't stand it anymore. I'm not a fan of the far right or even UKIP, but if this can be seen as the point when the people express their wish to finally move on from the anti-production, wealth-destroying, politically-correct, limp-wristed lefty-ism that has held us back for too many years, then it's wonderful news and we can all start looking forward to a more prosperous future.

[Webbo]

Socialism is more of a religion than a political ideal.

 

It's purely based on faith rather than any sensible examination of the facts. It's followers hate heretics and think they are the only ones going to heaven.

 

Like all religions it should be respected but it's not a sensible way to run a country.

[lavrentis]

Let's be honest, you know socialism's dead when even the french can't stand it anymore. 

[Guest MattP]

Victory for the thickos then.

 

Keep going son. When soon you realise that it's only far left raging socialists believing this and it's not actually stopping any UKIP potential voters you might start arguing on policy. (well, let's be honest you won't, as just like Cleggy you'll lose as it's indefensible in it's current form)

 

Conclusions from me, the majority of the people that voted still think the eu is relevant, despite massive UKIP gains, most people didn't vote for them, then most people didn't even bother voting, despite all the publicity about UKIP and a chance to sock it to Brussels. Which makes me think that an eu referendum would result in an 'in' vote.

As for the big losers of last night/the last four years, Clegg needs to either fall on his sword take all the blame himself and give the party a chance to recover, or a splinter party will form taking the remaining loyal lib dems and rallying their previous support, they have a year before complete obscurity. Clegg fvcked it up for a shot at power, hope it was worth it.

 

For the first time in my life now I think an 'out' vote is possible, we've had every bit of pro-EU propaganda thrown at us that the media can manage, every mainstream political party supporting it and we've got the Tories (who despite what they say are far more Eurosceptic) and UKIP polling at around 50%, add that to the 500,000 that also voted for all the minor 'out' parties and we have more of a base than the SNP had in any election and they are getting close.

 

Clegg deserves everything he gets, he wanted to be the poster boy of the 'in' campaign and the people of the country have let him know exactly what they think of that, Miliband and Cameron avoided it because they knew taking on Farage at his own game was going to be a disaster, just what was he thinking? Another Liberal Democrat who clearly thinks he far smarter and enlightened that he actually is.

 

Only you could see 23 seats go to the ultimate party of out, 1 go to the ultimate party of in and declare from it an In vote is a sure thing.

 

Not too bad for the Tories,Labour should really be doing better. Gives me hope that the Tories will still be the biggest party after the election.

 

Best things about it, it appears Labour aren't heading for number 10 now barring an absolute disaster of a 12 months for the Tories, Labout vote polls 35%ish at national level and just 23% in this, shows just how eurosceptic a lot of their voters are as well, Miliband might well be delivering a referendum on Europe as well by next May.

 

I note the collapse in the BNP vote; I wonder where those votes went to...

 

Who knows? Where did they come from in the first place as they UKIP were pretty much nowhere, so they came from Labour, I imagine they either went over to UKIP or back to the Labour Party last night.

 

I have a feeling this BNP vote moving 'en masse' is just as much bullshit as the 'it's all Tories voting UKIP' line being trotted out.

 

UKIP have polled 30% on a 33% turnout, with 50% of those who voted for UKIP saying they more than likely wouldn't in a General Election...Not sure it's the earthquake we are led to be believe.

 

It's the first national election won by a party outside of the main two for over 100 years, I think that's a bit of an earthquake, half UKIP voters according to Yougov are now intending to stay as well. That makes a handful of seats very winnable.

 

Now just let's hopefully see a deal done and Tories removing themselves from seats they have no chance of winning, let UKIP run at Labour unopposed and we might have a huge earthquake looking at the voting in places Yorkshire and the East.

 

The last time there was a global recession followed by a political resurgence of the far right (not saying all of the successful parties in these elections are far right but some certainly are) in Europe, things ended a little bit badly. If I recall correctly.

 

Thew 1970's? It led is into the probably the most properous period of our time.

 

 

 

Fair play to Alf, an excellent effort on his predictions.

 

Highlights of the night for me - Two of the UKIP candidates elected being Asian and Gay, a big fcuk you to the Liberal bigots and certainly a superb ammo for the inevitable shouts of homophobia and racism again next year.

 

The party of in, getting just, 'one in'.

[Guest MattP]

I hope that such attitudes don't spread. I also hope that those who see coexistence, redistribution and tolerance of difference as the norm do not express contempt for the likes of UKIP. For now, if we have to have a party of the reactionary, populist right, I'm bloody glad that we only have UKIP and not the BNP, LePen's Front National or Golden Dawn. I hope that UKIP will continue to disassociate itself from groups like that - and that those on the left will argue with UKIP by challenging its policies rather than by accusing it of being a racist party (unless its conduct justifies that accusation). Such accusations would just fan the hostility on the right, causing even more polarisation.

 

Will be very interesting to see how all the parties - Con, Lab, LD & UKIP - respond to this result, particularly when the general election looks to be on a knife-edge...

 

That's just not going to happen. When you have MP's connected to the main parties openly admitted they are engaging in smear campaigns it won't go away anytime soon.

 

And fortunately, for people on the far-left like Buce, Rincewind etc, the country just doesn't have the supply of genuine 'racists' or fascists' etc to satify there own demand for it so they will still attack and slander anyone who believes having any sort of immigration policy makes them a racist. If UKIP went away they would start on the Tories again no doubt.

 

The gloves came off for this one, one of the dirtiest political campaigns I have ever seen and UKIP need to fight fire with fire now next year, don't be afraid of giving back what you get, if you have to spalsh Harriet Harman's links to PIE over the election leaflets then do it, they can't complain after what has happened over the last few weeks paying off people to serach Facebook and Twitter all day to splash them over the press as representation of UKIP.

[leicsmac]

1970's, followed by Margaret Thatcher?  What happened?

 

Let's get away from the idea that UKIP is purely a right-wing party.  UKIP + Conservatives took over 50% of the vote.  The conservatives in my lifetime have never taken anywhere near 50% of the vote, so UKIP must be getting them from somewhere else as well.

 

 

 

Thew 1970's? It led is into the probably the most properous period of our time.

 

 

 

 

I was thinking rather earlier.

 

And not for certain areas of the country, Matt. 

[brockmyster]

The people have spoken. We don't want to be in Europe, to be dictated by other countries as to what we can or cannot do. This pathetic situation has to end. Roll on a referendum.

 

Immigration needs to be capped asap. The official figures that have just been released show that after emigration has been taken into account, we have had.212,000 immigrants in 2013. The real figure, as we all know,  will be considerably higher. It's a bloody disgrace, and both the Tories, and Labour have not succeeded in doing anything to stop this happening.

 

UKIP is a breath of fresh air in politics, and I feel sure they will build on their success

 

The right have been been successful in number of other member countries, which is good imo. ( not keen on the far right, who have had a fair success.

 

Well done Nigel Farage, and well done to all those who voted  for UKIP.                 

 

That equates to roughly 0.33% of an increase in population which is quite frankly **** all, even with your claim that it would be much higher it wouldn't be hitting more then 0.5% of an increase due to immigration. Lets just ignore the fact that the vast majority of these would be working and being taxed either taking the shitty jobs most people in this country feel too high and mighty to do or even doing the high profile jobs such as surgeons.

[I am Rod Hull]

That equates to roughly 0.33% of an increase in population which is quite frankly **** all, even with your claim that it would be much higher it wouldn't be hitting more then 0.5% of an increase due to immigration. Lets just ignore the fact that the vast majority of these would be working and being taxed either taking the shitty jobs most people in this country feel too high and mighty to do or even doing the high profile jobs such as surgeons.

 

[Strokes]

That equates to roughly 0.33% of an increase in population which is quite frankly **** all, even with your claim that it would be much higher it wouldn't be hitting more then 0.5% of an increase due to immigration. Lets just ignore the fact that the vast majority of these would be working and being taxed either taking the shitty jobs most people in this country feel too high and mighty to do or even doing the high profile jobs such as surgeons.

It is far from fúck all as you so elegantly put it, its 'roughly' the size of the city of derby, being added to our country each year. As we have no control over the quality of the migrants it must be pot luck that they are all doctors, I hope we are lucky again next year.

[brockmyster]

It is far from fúck all as you so elegantly put it, its 'roughly' the size of the city of derby, being added to our country each year. As we have no control over the quality of the migrants it must be pot luck that they are all doctors, I hope we are lucky again next year.

 

Elegant is my middle name. Firstly i didnt say they were all doctors i was using that as an example of some of the high skilled immigrants. Dont get me wrong im not saying the way immigration is at the moment is fine, it does need shaking up and a better control system but what is brought by these people is in most cases is beneficial to the countries overall economic situation in terms of taxation etc, the main issues lie in the lack of integration and understanding between communities, but thats a completely different can of worms.

[Strokes]

Elegant is my middle name. Firstly i didnt say they were all doctors i was using that as an example of some of the high skilled immigrants. Dont get me wrong im not saying the way immigration is at the moment is fine, it does need shaking up and a better control system but what is brought by these people is in most cases is beneficial to the countries overall economic situation in terms of taxation etc, the main issues lie in the lack of integration and understanding between communities, but thats a completely different can of worms.

So you agree the freedom of movement act is unsuitable?

[The Doctor]

Are these real? 

 

 

The fact checked version (which saw a UKIP counsellor call the police and demand it be taken down):

 

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Education and deregulation not certain, but I'd expect they want to deregulate, because the right tend to see the regulation as what causes financial crashes.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

I had to laugh , people on her calling anyone who voted UKIP thick. It's called democracy even thick people have the right to vote it is their country too you know. If the Tories and Labour hadn't been too busy fiddling their expenses and giving our sovereignty away to Brussels they may just have seen this coming.

 

 

UKIP's rise is not hard to work out. Successive governments not listening to the public disquiet on E. U.  interference in our state laws and boarders,   resulting in mass immigration from people who can offer nothing to enhance this country and due to not speaking the language and not having jobs become an instant burden on the system.

 

But I suspect one of the major factors in UKIPs rise was that all the media and the left wing  constantly haranguing anyone who dared to challenge their cockeyed views as " racist " and " little Englanders " actually back fired.There is something unique about the British people they will not tolerate being told what to think and take a particular delight in sticking two fingers up to those who try it.

 

Although I did not personally vote for UKIP I understand why people did , and I find it all rather refreshing that the old British spirit is still alive and kicking and long may that last. When people feel disenfranchised and ignored the far right will always appeal to them , it's happening all over Europe at the moment and it is all down to the ridiculous idea of a united Europe.

[Alf Bentley]

When you have MP's connected to the main parties openly admitted they are engaging in smear campaigns it won't go away anytime soon.

 

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The gloves came off for this one, one of the dirtiest political campaigns I have ever seen and UKIP need to fight fire with fire now next year, don't be afraid of giving back what you get, if you have to spalsh Harriet Harman's links to PIE over the election leaflets then do it, they can't complain after what has happened over the last few weeks paying off people to serach Facebook and Twitter all day to splash them over the press as representation of UKIP.

 

If the main parties engaged in smear campaigns this time, then they clearly didn't work, so they'd be stupid to so in future without clear evidence and relevant accusations.

 

Likewise, UKIP would be shooting itself in the foot if it started smearing politicians in other parties. For now, whatever I might think of their politics, they are perceived to have quite a clean "brand" in the eyes of many voters. Those voters see them as a breath of fresh air after the cynicism and corruption of the old parties. Robust defence from the high ground is one thing, but UKIP would be exceptionally stupid to choose to fight dirty. They'll be under greater media scrutiny from now on, so would soon be exposed if they did, and would risk alienating voters that they'd attracted or might attract.

 

It'll be interesting to see what policies they promote on the economy, tax, public services, living standards etc. They'll certainly have to come up with something popular and credible on those subjects, as banging on about Europe and immigration alone won't hack it at the general election. They'll have to give a bit more prominence to spokespeople other than Farage, too, or will risk looking like a 1-man team...though they do have at least 3 or 4 other spokespeople who come across as fairly intelligent and reasonable....they'll just need to keep their more bonkers old buffers safely locked in a saloon bar somewhere chuntering on about Bongo-Bongoland and gay floods to their hearts' content without anyone noticing. 

[stevelcfc]

One of the reasons why UKIP did so well. Morons like you shouting racist at anybody who isn't a Guardian reading socialist. 

 

Edit: The Danish People's Party did very well. I'm sure you think they are worse than Hitler from this statement: 

 

Charming. UKIP supporter then?

[Captain...]

For the first time in my life now I think an 'out' vote is possible, we've had every bit of pro-EU propaganda thrown at us that the media can manage, every mainstream political party supporting it and we've got the Tories (who despite what they say are far more Eurosceptic) and UKIP polling at around 50%, add that to the 500,000 that also voted for all the minor 'out' parties and we have more of a base than the SNP had in any election and they are getting close.

 

Clegg deserves everything he gets, he wanted to be the poster boy of the 'in' campaign and the people of the country have let him know exactly what they think of that, Miliband and Cameron avoided it because they knew taking on Farage at his own game was going to be a disaster, just what was he thinking? Another Liberal Democrat who clearly thinks he far smarter and enlightened that he actually is.

 

Only you could see 23 seats go to the ultimate party of out, 1 go to the ultimate party of in and declare from it an In vote is a sure thing.

 

The party of in, getting just, 'one in'.

 

The Lib Dems polled so badly because they are the Lib Dems and have committed political suicide over the last few years, not because they are the party of "in", this was a chance to send a clear message that we want out of Europe, two thirds of people didn't bother to vote and of those that did only one third voted for the party of out, despite all the rumoured discontent and huge amounts of publicity UKIP got, even though the majority of it was negative.

 

I do think this and the other votes across Europe will be significant and be a catalyst for change within the EU, but I think the majority of the people in the UK still want us to be part of a united Europe.

[ADK]

The truth is that people who are happy with the status quo probably couldn't be bothered to go to the polling station.

[Harry - LCFC]

The truth is that people who are happy with the status quo probably couldn't be bothered to go to the polling station.

 

This. The result we've seen is not something to be sniffed at but I've become less impressed with it after thinking about it for a bit. This isn't an election that gets people on their feet unless they feel they've got a point to make. - I myself nearly didn't vote because it was a struggle to work out what I was voting for.

[Feed The Yak!!]

Let's be honest, you know socialism's dead when even the french can't stand it anymore. I'm not a fan of the far right or even UKIP, but if this can be seen as the point when the people express their wish to finally move on from the anti-production, wealth-destroying, politically-correct, limp-wristed lefty-ism that has held us back for too many years, then it's wonderful news and we can all start looking forward to a more prosperous future.

We haven't even had true socialism since Attlee's era, which certainly wasn't anti-production. As for "limp-wristed", I'm not even sure how to respond.

[Webbo]

The truth is that people who are happy with the status quo probably couldn't be bothered to go to the polling station.

If you were happy with the status quo then why wouldn't you vote against the widely predicted UKIP victory?

[The Year Of The Fox]

Fantastic seeing the country turning purple

[orangecity23]

If you were happy with the status quo then why wouldn't you vote against the widely predicted UKIP victory?

 

I thought about voting for Status Quo: I was pleased that they were inclusive on Europe, as they claim to want to go "Rocking All Over the World". Slightly concerned they may take the economy "Down, Down, Deeper and Down", and they have been associated with a potential cash for questions scandal ("Whatever you want, Whatever you like, Whatever you say, You pay your money, You take your choice")