Kasper

[Crinklyfox]

Everyone makes mistakes sometimes. City employ NP and his staff to make the right decisions for the club. We only get to see performances on match days. NP has to make selection decisions based upon the recommendations of his coaching team and his own judgement. He gets a lot more information on form and fitness than we do.

Threads like this debating the attributes of different players competing for a starting spot are fine but the bottom line is - do we trust the manager to make the right decision? Nobody gets it right all the time but NP's track record has been sufficiently impressive for me to be happy to trust in his judgement. So if he thinks Schmeichel's currently a better selection for goalie than Hamer at present then that's fine by me. He took Hamer on because he probably felt that he was a better option than Conrad Logan. I've only seen Hamer once but that looks like a good decision to me. Seeing his performances over a run of games, which he may yet get this season, would provide a better guide to his merits.

[Guest ttfn]

If you want to talk about his feet then I'm up for that. Still maintain that his starting position is fine. If all about stacking the odds and the first thing a keeper wants to know is where is the shot going. his starting point negates the kicker dummying into the far side. Any further towards the centre and if the kicker sees his weight headed left as he runs up the he can open up his body and place it into the far corner. it wouldn't have to be a well struck shot to beat a keeper going in the wrong direction. if he stands further to the left and waits for the kick to be taken before committing his weight then he has no chance of saving a well struck shot.

So it becomes about his feet. His first pace left is a bit small (that's not disastrous) and I believe he had one more quick step to take before he needed to dive. That last misses step was disastrous. He didn't judge the natural drift of the ball away from him from the left footed kicker. So technically, yes kasper has to take some fault but not because of where he started. I hope a few more of you can appreciate this now.

Of course, a well constructed wall that jumps in tandem means it needs a worldie to score.

I don't understand the logic that it's ok to offer a yard or more of the goal to the striker to score on the wall's side but absolutely nothing on the goalie's side.

I understand that the wall is there to protect one side of the goal (and didn't exactly cover itself in glory either) but, as we keep coming back to, Schmeichel gave himself no chance.

Why is it ok to say "I can't protect the whole goal so I'm going to make absolutely sure that you don't score my side but feel free to do what you like on the other side" rather than "if you put it in the top corner either side, congratulations, that's a great goal".

Surely it can't ever be acceptable to concede a goal from20 yards which ends up nowhere near the corner.

The mentality is wrong when keepers care only about their own side. It's like "being beaten at the near post". If the ball goes in at the near post as opposed to the far post who cares? The keepers job is to protect his goal, not a tiny portion of it.

[st albans fox]

Ttfn, if you have a statistical approach that is better than the one currently employed by professional football clubs plus countless other amateur players around the world then I'm sure you could earn yourself a few quid. My take (from personal experience) and watching the game is that the approach of KS on Saturday is the accepted standard. Proviso is that maybe he could have afforded another couple of feet given the taker was definitely left footed.

the wall was garbage and his foot movement could have been better

[Babylon]

There is no way on earth his positioning is correct.

 

If it went his side he wouldn't have even needed to dive, he could have stood there and caught it. He left himself a 0% chance of getting to the ball if they got it over the wall.

 

The free kick wasn't even into the corner of the net, or too high to reach. It was mid level and a few feet away from the post. One pace more to his left and he would have saved that, the other side of his goal certainly wouldn't have been at much more risk either.

[Bettsj2]

Ttfn, if you have a statistical approach that is better than the one currently employed by professional football clubs plus countless other amateur players around the world then I'm sure you could earn yourself a few quid. My take (from personal experience) and watching the game is that the approach of KS on Saturday is the accepted standard. Proviso is that maybe he could have afforded another couple of feet given the taker was definitely left footed.

the wall was garbage and his foot movement could have been better

Understand completely what you are saying about foot movement and you are correct in a way. But you will be hard pressed to find other examples at that level of a goalkeeper starting THAT far over to one side of a goal when the kick is in such a dangerous position.

Like Bert and others have said, if he's have started one more step to his left, he would have saved it and his positioning in regards to weight balance would not have been compromised either.

It was an awful situation where we saw the kick being lined up, saw where Kasper was standing and knew with absolute certainty the ball would end up in the back of the net.

He was at fault and it cost the goal. Could the wall have been better? Yes. Should James have committed the foul? No. Do these things make a difference to where Kasper was standing? No.

He shouldnt be dropped but he should be made aware of his mistake (which i'm sure he has) and we just move on.

[Guest ttfn]

Ttfn, if you have a statistical approach that is better than the one currently employed by professional football clubs plus countless other amateur players around the world then I'm sure you could earn yourself a few quid. My take (from personal experience) and watching the game is that the approach of KS on Saturday is the accepted standard. Proviso is that maybe he could have afforded another couple of feet given the taker was definitely left footed.

the wall was garbage and his foot movement could have been better

I don't, I was just asking somebody to explain it to me.

Just because it's the done thing, it doesn't mean it makes sense.

[Silverdaz]

Goals on Sunday with Carlo Cudicini and Julian Speroni, they both said they would of done exactly the same with the free kick because it was the walls job to stop it and if he got it over the wall and down again then he deserved a goal from that close range

[Guest ttfn]

There is no way on earth his positioning is correct.

If it went his side he wouldn't have even needed to dive, he could have stood there and caught it. He left himself a 0% chance of getting to the ball if they got it over the wall.

The free kick wasn't even into the corner of the net, or too high to reach. It was mid level and a few feet away from the post. One pace more to his left and he would have saved that, the other side of his goal certainly wouldn't have been at much more risk either.

This is what I'm saying. Even if Wallace's shot is in the top corner on the keeper's side Schmeichel could have caught it.

A goalkeeper can't cover the whole goal in these situations and has to leave, let's say, 30% to aim at. Surely it makes more sense to split that 10:20 (to allow for the keeper's shift in momentum) or 15:15 so as to massively decrease the kicker's margin for error on whichever side they pick?

Schmeichel's a good goalkeeper and I can't believe people are calling for Hamer already. But his positioning for that free kick (and people's defences of it) made absolutely no sense if he's interested in stopping a goal rather than just stopping a goal on his side.

[Carlos88LCFC]

I'm sure some of these overreacting people where the same people saying "Extending Kaspers contract was the best signing of the summer"

 

He's made a few mistakes. But so has most of our team?

 

The problem is, when a Keeper makes a mistake it tends to end in a goal.

 

How about Mahrez taking people on and loosing the ball, James giving away a free kick in a dangerous position, Nugent not hitting the target, Drinkwater giving away possession with a poor pass, Liam Moore slipping up (Which Kasper reacted to very well and I'm sure if that was Hamer in goal he wouldn't of annticipated that and it would of been a 1-on-1).... Should we buy 11 new players in January to try and 'patch up' these mistakes?

 

This will only make Kasper improve. Highly doubt he will be dropped. a Keeper will keep his place in the team depending on how they do in training. If Hamer is setting the world alight in training then bring him in... If not, and Kasper is better... He will keep his place.

 

I've got an idea that I 'think' is a pretty decent one...

 

How about we get behind our team (like we do when we are winning) and be the 12th man... They make a mistake, we forgive them instantly and get behind them... Instead of being a boo boy and piling pressure on them (like we do for our national team) which will only bring more mistakes out of him.

 

[Buzzell]

He obviously expected the wall to do a job in stopping the freekick. Saying that though he still could of positioned himself a lot better for the freekick.

[Charl91]

I'm sure some of these overreacting people where the same people saying "Extending Kaspers contract was the best signing of the summer"

 

He's made a few mistakes. But so has most of our team?

 

The problem is, when a Keeper makes a mistake it tends to end in a goal.

 

How about Mahrez taking people on and loosing the ball, James giving away a free kick in a dangerous position, Nugent not hitting the target, Drinkwater giving away possession with a poor pass, Liam Moore slipping up (Which Kasper reacted to very well and I'm sure if that was Hamer in goal he wouldn't of annticipated that and it would of been a 1-on-1).... Should we buy 11 new players in January to try and 'patch up' these mistakes?

 

This will only make Kasper improve. Highly doubt he will be dropped. a Keeper will keep his place in the team depending on how they do in training. If Hamer is setting the world alight in training then bring him in... If not, and Kasper is better... He will keep his place.

 

I've got an idea that I 'think' is a pretty decent one...

 

How about we get behind our team (like we do when we are winning) and be the 12th man... They make a mistake, we forgive them instantly and get behind them... Instead of being a boo boy and piling pressure on them (like we do for our national team) which will only bring more mistakes out of him.

 

 

There's a difference between criticising a football player on the pitch and on a football forum. At a game, I'll never 'boo' a player, and will back 100% any player who's wearing our shirt.

 

That doesn't mean they should be exempt from criticism on this forum if they're perceived to have had a bad game, however. After all, if all we were allowed to post about was how bloody great every single player is, then it would be a very boring place indeed.

[filbertway]

Had he stood in a position where he couldn't see the ball, I doubt he'd even have had time to move before the ball was in the net.

[Fatty Arbuckle]

I'm sure some of these overreacting people where the same people saying "Extending Kaspers contract was the best signing of the summer"

 

He's made a few mistakes. But so has most of our team?

 

The problem is, when a Keeper makes a mistake it tends to end in a goal.

 

How about Mahrez taking people on and loosing the ball, James giving away a free kick in a dangerous position, Nugent not hitting the target, Drinkwater giving away possession with a poor pass, Liam Moore slipping up (Which Kasper reacted to very well and I'm sure if that was Hamer in goal he wouldn't of annticipated that and it would of been a 1-on-1).... Should we buy 11 new players in January to try and 'patch up' these mistakes?

 

This will only make Kasper improve. Highly doubt he will be dropped. a Keeper will keep his place in the team depending on how they do in training. If Hamer is setting the world alight in training then bring him in... If not, and Kasper is better... He will keep his place.

 

I've got an idea that I 'think' is a pretty decent one...

 

How about we get behind our team (like we do when we are winning) and be the 12th man... They make a mistake, we forgive them instantly and get behind them... Instead of being a boo boy and piling pressure on them (like we do for our national team) which will only bring more mistakes out of him.

 

This is exactly what we have been doing! After pretty much every goal we've conceded at home this season, we've got right behind the team straight away; singing loud and proud before the game has restarted. And if you hadn't noticed, in every home game so far we've scored within a minute of the opposition scoring.

 

Don't mistake people being critical of errors with people being boo boys. I've been really pleased with how the fans have responded to opposition goals this season and I'm sure our reaction has had a positive effect on what happens next.

[Manwell Pablo]

Oh, are you a regular Charlton watcher then?

 

I've seen them a few times in the last three years yes. Obviously I'm not a season ticket holder, but you know, they have been on TV a few times in that three year period!

 

Not to mention the BBC have the rights to broadcast every goal he's let in on their weekly highlight show and on the internet during that 3 year period. 

[Guest MattP]

This problem of commanding the area simply isn't going to go away, Kasper has to be more dominant and if not we need to pursue a Matt Elliott/Gerry Taggart style central defence that can mop up anything thrown into the area.

 

Teams will be noticing this now, not just a set plays but even in open play we clearly struggle to defend any high ball into the edge of the six yard box. I thought this was something he realised he needed to do as against Donny on the last day he came for everything but there doesn't seem to be any intention to collect balls now.

 

The free kick well, everyone in the ground was wondering where he was standing I think. You could tell from the West Stand.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Goals on Sunday with Carlo Cudicini and Julian Speroni, they both said they would of done exactly the same with the free kick because it was the walls job to stop it and if he got it over the wall and down again then he deserved a goal from that close range

 

Nah mate, don't know what they're on about, Kaspers positioning was all wrong...

 

 

[Bert]

Goals on Sunday with Carlo Cudicini and Julian Speroni, they both said they would of done exactly the same with the free kick because it was the walls job to stop it and if he got it over the wall and down again then he deserved a goal from that close range

So if Kasper had've saved it Wallace would've still deserved the goal? come on get real.

[Harry - LCFC]

So our Premiership Honeymoon is over it seems and last seasons heroes now being singled out by posters on here who blame them for any mistakes they make.

Not me, I'm just enjoying the Premiership ride, it's a bonus I never thought we'd achieve.

So drink beer, kiss women and enjoy it while it lasts

 

Mr Negative accuses other people of being too negative. .

[Guest MattP]

Goalkeepers never slag other keepers off. Part of the union.

Of course his positioning was poor. A shot at that pace should not being going in only a couple of yards from the centre of the goal.

[1993fox]

Ross Wallace was so smug in his comment about Kasper's positioning after the game. 'He gave me a lot of room to play with.' He knows very well he stole two points off us because of strange positioning. 

 

It'll be interesting to see what Pearson does but I doubt Hamer will start the next game, but another error and things could get interesting. Competition is healthy.

[Oxfordfox83]

So our Premiership Honeymoon is over it seems and last seasons heroes now being singled out by posters on here who blame them for any mistakes they make.

Not me, I'm just enjoying the Premiership ride, it's a bonus I never thought we'd achieve.

So drink beer, kiss women and enjoy it while it lasts

Bloody hell, I didn't expect that! Fair play Ken, keep it up...

[Fox Ulike]

Goals on Sunday with Carlo Cudicini and Julian Speroni, they both said they would of done exactly the same with the free kick because it was the walls job to stop it and if he got it over the wall and down again then he deserved a goal from that close range

 

It's not the wall's 'job' to stop the ball. A professional footballer is more than capable of lifting a football over a wall and into the goal from 20 yards if the goalkeeper is too far over. As proven on Saturday. I would of probably scored from there with Kasper marking the other post.

 

Kasper's positioning was terrible. But calls for him to be replaced by Hamer are very premature. He's a top top keeper who made a mistake. His first of the season?

 

Anyway, I can't understand why there's not a "Matty James" thread for people to rip into him for his amateurish and desperate tackle which gave away the free kick in the first place. James should be hung upside-down from the goalposts for that.

[AKCJ]

'Expecting' the wall to do it's job is fine, but it's passing the buck in my eyes.

 

He didn't give himself a chance and that's whats annoying.

[Oxfordfox83]

It's not the wall's 'job' to stop the ball. A professional footballer is more than capable of lifting a football over a wall and into the goal from 20 yards if the goalkeeper is too far over. As proven on Saturday. I would of probably scored from there with Kasper marking the other post.

Kasper's positioning was terrible. But calls for him to be replaced by Hamer are very premature. He's a top top keeper who made a mistake. His first of the season?

Anyway, I can't understand why there's not a "Matty James" thread for people to rip into him for his amateurish and desperate tackle which gave away the free kick in the first place. James should be hung upside-down from the goalposts for that.

Actually, I think Hamer would have dived on the ball to stop their first, where KS hung back and starfished.

I will bow to superior knowledge about the free kick-keepers seem to think that if it was a mistake it wasn't a howler, though it did appear awful to me initially.

I worry a little that Kasper stays back rather too much and relies on his excellent reactions to keep shots out. I don't think this has improved this aspect at all in the last three years. BUT, he does have incredible dexterity to save shots many keepers wouldn't, and it's way too soon to be calling for Hamer, who was excellent for 65 minutes at Stoke. He has been crucial this season and last.

I'd love to see him polish his game by being a bit more confident coming off his line, but to suggest dropping him now is foolish.

[Fox Ulike]

Actually, I think Hamer would have dived on the ball to stop their first, where KS hung back and starfished.

I will bow to superior knowledge about the free kick-keepers seem to think that if it was a mistake it wasn't a howler, though it did appear awful to me initially.

I worry a little that Kasper stays back rather too much and relies on his excellent reactions to keep shots out. I don't think this has improved this aspect at all in the last three years. BUT, he does have incredible dexterity to save shots many keepers wouldn't, and it's way too soon to be calling for Hamer, who was excellent for 65 minutes at Stoke. He has been crucial this season and last.

I'd love to see him polish his game by being a bit more confident coming off his line, but to suggest dropping him now is foolish.

 

Not sure about the first goal. The initial cross drops beyond Kasper’s far post so I’m not sure you’d want the keeper coming out leaving his entire goal undefended. I’ll need to watch it again. At the time I thought Moore was at fault for leaving Kightly unmarked to go for a ball that he didn’t win.

 

Second goal I still think James’s mistake was the big one. The Burnley guy had 3 other City players closing in on him.  No need to make that tackle and give Burnley a free shot on goal.