bovril Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Abbey Stadium is definitely part of Cambridge constituency and should be yellow. No Peterborough blue round that way.
MooseBreath Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Any chance of not smearing those floating voters who might actually have legitimate concerns, Moose? No, because I don't think their concerns are legitimate. Osborne has done a terrific job. The country is in a much better economic state that it was when he took over.
Strokes Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 From a distance he comes across as the best party leader by far.You might need a telescope.
Raj Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Done my postal vote. Lib dems for local-Simon Dalton n his team Conservatives for General-Sir Alan Duncan! Labour can get fooked!!!
Guest Bilo Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 No, because I don't think their concerns are legitimate. Osborne has done a terrific job. The country is in a much better economic state that it was when he took over. You don't think the failure to eliminate the deficit, a key manifesto pledge, and the horrific levels of borrowing are legitimate concerns?
Alf Bentley Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Done my postal vote. Lib dems for local-Simon Dalton n his team Conservatives for General-Sir Alan Duncan! Labour can get fooked!!! Typical Tory. Too bone idle to go to the polling station, preferring to generate red tape and public sector jobs by resorting to postal voting.
Raj Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Typical Tory. Too bone idle to go to the polling station, preferring to generate red tape and public sector jobs by resorting to postal voting. Keeps some fookers in a job though dunnit??For the record I've voted labour under Blair in previous elections too,but no way would I have Ed balls in charge of my ISA never mind the country's money!!!!
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 I had great pleasure in listening to the Labour candidate who came to the door, and then telling him to "fek off down his hole" His face was a picture!
MooseBreath Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 You don't think the failure to eliminate the deficit, a key manifesto pledge, and the horrific levels of borrowing are legitimate concerns? They are but that's not what a typical person who might not like Osborne is concerned about. Most criticisms labeled at Osborne's economy are to do with it being less generous on welfare and public spending. Those aren't legitimate concerns.
Finnegan Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 They are but that's not what a typical person who might not like Osborne is concerned about. Most criticisms labeled at Osborne's economy are to do with it being less generous on welfare and public spending. Those aren't legitimate concerns. Why do you bother arguing with people on here when you just do both sides of the row in your own head anyhow?
Guest Bilo Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 They are but that's not what a typical person who might not like Osborne is concerned about. Most criticisms labeled at Osborne's economy are to do with it being less generous on welfare and public spending. Those aren't legitimate concerns. I'm concerned about the long term impact of these. The last thing this country's young needs is a bigger debt mountain to service, especially when the £9k tuition fees are a debt timebomb waiting to go off in 30 years when almost nobody pays off their debts. The concern regarding big business not paying its taxes is not illegitimate either, the war on welfare has been based around ideological rather than fiscal concerns. Don't forget the rise in VAT that affected every household as well. I'm not saying Osborne has been a disaster, he hasn't in many ways, but neither has he been the economic messiah the Tory spin doctors have lauded him as being. It's not just the caricature of free-loading public sector workers and benefit claimants who have concerns, and it isn't just self-interest even when it is.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Can you imagine Labour and the SNP forming an alliance? It's akin to a revolting horror story. Talk about a bloody disaster, waiting to happen. What interest would the SNP have, in helping the English?
Guest Bilo Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Can you imagine Labour and the SNP forming an alliance? It's akin to a revolting horror story. Talk about a bloody disaster, waiting to happen. What interest would the SNP have, in helping the English? Fear no more, it isn't happening. A coalition was ruled out weeks ago, and it appears that even a loose agreement is unlikely. http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/miliband-labour-will-not-strike-an-agreement-with-the-snp-after-the-el.1429712772
MooseBreath Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 I'm concerned about the long term impact of these. The last thing this country's young needs is a bigger debt mountain to service, especially when the £9k tuition fees are a debt timebomb waiting to go off in 30 years when almost nobody pays off their debts. The concern regarding big business not paying its taxes is not illegitimate either, the war on welfare has been based around ideological rather than fiscal concerns. Don't forget the rise in VAT that affected every household as well. I'm not saying Osborne has been a disaster, he hasn't in many ways, but neither has he been the economic messiah the Tory spin doctors have lauded him as being. It's not just the caricature of free-loading public sector workers and benefit claimants who have concerns, and it isn't just self-interest even when it is. Bit harsh to blame Osborne for tax evasion when they inherited a huge problem and have done more than the previous government did to reign it in. Let's not forget that the previous government couldn't even be bothered to check MP's expenses never mind attack the complex minefield of corporate tax evasion. I think all reasonable people would be happy to stand up and applaud the great strides in the right direction made by Osborne and his colleagues. Likewise if you're concerned about the national debt than it would be strange to dislike Osborne to a greater extent than any opposition politician given that Osborne has actually got a proven track record of being able to deliver deficit reduction, growth, high employment and wage increases simultaneously while the opposition previously said that would be impossible.
Guest Bilo Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Again though, servicing a deficit with borrowing is a dangerous game. The fact that Osborne has borrowed more in five years than Labour did in thirteen in pursuit of an election pledge they've come nowhere near delivering must be a concern, how much more will be borrowed if the Tories are elected again? It looks to me like short term gain and long term pain with such a high level of debt that'll take the country decades to service. Labour were too laissez-faire with corporate tax evasion but Miliband has made it clear that that's a viewpoint he agrees with, hence the media attacks upon him. Let's not forget as well that the Tories are happy to allow the anachronistic and almost unique practice of non-dom status to continue, whereas Labour want to tackle it. The rise in employment is welcome, but it does mask a lot of low wage and insecure jobs. Replacing unemployment with underemployment is insufficient - especially when we now have many low paid workers dependent on the welfare state, which Osborne has cut significantly, to top up their low wages - wages which have only recently started to rise at the same rate as inflation. There are some steps in the right direction, but it's not an economic miracle by any means. If it were a school report, it'd read 'Good effort, but could do better.'
Webbo Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Again though, servicing a deficit with borrowing is a dangerous game. The fact that Osborne has borrowed more in five years than Labour did in thirteen in pursuit of an election pledge they've come nowhere near delivering must be a concern, how much more will be borrowed if the Tories are elected again? It looks to me like short term gain and long term pain with such a high level of debt that'll take the country decades to service. Labour were too laissez-faire with corporate tax evasion but Miliband has made it clear that that's a viewpoint he agrees with, hence the media attacks upon him. Let's not forget as well that the Tories are happy to allow the anachronistic and almost unique practice of non-dom status to continue, whereas Labour want to tackle it. The rise in employment is welcome, but it does mask a lot of low wage and insecure jobs. Replacing unemployment with underemployment is insufficient - especially when we now have many low paid workers dependent on the welfare state, which Osborne has cut significantly, to top up their low wages - wages which have only recently started to rise at the same rate as inflation. There are some steps in the right direction, but it's not an economic miracle by any means. If it were a school report, it'd read 'Good effort, but could do better.' Labour have said they will reduce more slowly than the tories, if it bothers you that much perhaps you shouldn't vote labour.
MooseBreath Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 The economy could always be doing better. The question is could labour or another party have done better? Given that labour didn't think that the level of success Osborne has achieved was even possible, never mind do-able, I'm not sure I'd have much confidence in them, even ignoring the mess they made of it last time. Wage growth is also well ahead of inflation not level with it.
Voll Blau Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Good piece from Armando Iannucci in the Independent. Pretty much sums up how I feel. Some parties represent my views better than others but I've found policy points from all of them I agree with. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/general-election-2015-the-idea-that-one-party-can-represent-all-that-we-believe-in-just-doesnt-apply-any-more-10193013.html
Guest Kopfkino Posted 22 April 2015 Posted 22 April 2015 Had like this offer holder day thing at LSE today and part of it was a 'taster' lecture as well as a 'meet the department' period. Being as the Government and Economics degree is ran by the Govenrment department, the lecture was on this coming election and possible electoral reform and shizz. Was rather interesting to listen to the lecture and discussing it with them after opened my eyes to different takes on recent events that I've not seen or heard anywhere else. For anyone interested, a couple of LSE academics (along with a couple from other unis) publish a forecast every day using all kinds of data. http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/
ramboacdc Posted 23 April 2015 Posted 23 April 2015 Had like this offer holder day thing at LSE today and part of it was a 'taster' lecture as well as a 'meet the department' period. Being as the Government and Economics degree is ran by the Govenrment department, the lecture was on this coming election and possible electoral reform and shizz. Was rather interesting to listen to the lecture and discussing it with them after opened my eyes to different takes on recent events that I've not seen or heard anywhere else. For anyone interested, a couple of LSE academics (along with a couple from other unis) publish a forecast every day using all kinds of data. http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/ I have been using this site. but i found www.electoralcalculus.co.uk easier to get on with.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 23 April 2015 Posted 23 April 2015 UKIP posted their leaflet yesterday which was lucky as I'm almost out of bog roll.
Buce Posted 23 April 2015 Posted 23 April 2015 UKIP posted their leaflet yesterday which was lucky as I'm almost out of bog roll. I'd use it, then post it back to Farage.
MooseBreath Posted 23 April 2015 Posted 23 April 2015 I'd use it, then post it back to Farage. Yes that would be very mature and not at all disgusting.
bovril Posted 23 April 2015 Posted 23 April 2015 I'd use it, then post it back to Farage. That would bring new meaning to the term 'smear campaign'. I don't think he personally opens his letters though. I believe he has a small task force of pygmies working round the clock opening all correspondence.
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