That has to be it. Pearson needs to go.

[shailen]

What a rubbish post! The buck stops with the manager how can you not blame him the results have been shocking.

 

Talking about today only. Don't think anyone could argue that we played well. What is he supposed to do if we can't take pur chances and concede soft goals. Our players need to step up in either box. Simple as that

[shailen]

I absolutely respect Pearson, what he's achieved here and I don't want him sacked but I cannot agree with this because ultimately he is the manager and it's his responsibility.

 

I don't disagree with this, think I was just saying that today we played well for the most part just finesse in either box is costing us. Pearson set the team out well and we competed, but the only way a manager can influence a game once it's started is through substitutions

[Corky]

Does your post smell of horseshit because Mark w's do

 

I've no idea what you mean, I don't understand this argument that you are only as good as your last result. If Pearson was to win at Arsenal on Tuesday, which would be a remarkable result, he's suddenly a good manager again despite the rest of the season?

[Mark_w]

I've no idea what you mean, I don't understand this argument that you are only as good as your last result. If Pearson was to win at Arsenal on Tuesday, which would be a remarkable result, he's suddenly a good manager again despite the rest of the season?

 

We'd sack a manager every two weeks or so if we went with his system.

[nettle]

We'd sack a manager every two weeks or so if we went with his system.

Why are you such a dick! Is that supposed to be funny.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Why are you such a dick! Is that supposed to be funny.

[Mark_w]

Why are you such a dick! Is that supposed to be funny.

 

No it's a genuine point that I'm making to belittle your ridiculous 'only as good as your last game' theory.

[nettle]

I've no idea what you mean, I don't understand this argument that you are only as good as your last result. If Pearson was to win at Arsenal on Tuesday, which would be a remarkable result, he's suddenly a good manager again despite the rest of the season?

[nettle]

No it's a genuine point that I'm making to belittle your ridiculous 'only as good as your last game' theory.

Sorry mate should have put last 19 games.

[dylanlegend]

Today was our biggest game... We lost because of obvious reasons.... I.e. Not big enough defensively and not big enough attacking wise. Pearson gives us a good chance of championship promotion but premiership survival no chance! Who can replace him though? I would only take Steve Clarke at this stage. It's a shame we missed out on Pulis!!

[hamptonfox]

Very Very Very Poor in key Home Games - finishing diabolical, defensively cant go 90 minutes without a key mistake, and Ulloa has the speed of thought and action of a tortoise, and the first touch of a trampete.

 

Overall, it points to Pearson being given more time!!!

[Manwell Pablo]

If we did get straight back up would you fire him on the grounds that we are already fairly certain he's not good enough at this level?

 

We can't want him to be our manager in the Championship next season because he had a good season or two at that level in the past but then, beyond that, want him to be our manager at the highest level in spite of his awful past record in the PL.

 

That's just a complete lack of logic. In fact, it's a case of wanting Pearson at all costs. There's a lot of it around on here at the moment.

 

 

Not really, if he's not good enough after 38 games he's not good enough at this level, before than it's pure speculation until you've had the opportunity to play every team home and away. And even then, just because he's made certain mistakes this time around doesn't mean he will make them again. You'd have to fancy him to get us straight back up, where as someone else could take us down the path of all the other clubs who sacked their manager between the first and final quarters of a PL season and hired a unsuitable replacement and went on to become Championship also rans as a result.

 

Risk reward isn't great, I don't see a manager capable of coming and getting results out there, not that's it's impossible. Either way I'd much rather Pearson is given the opportunity to pick up some unlikely results against Arsenal Chelsea and City and then replaced so we at least have a reasonable chance of a new manager enjoying a honeymoon period, as it isn't happening against those three.

[theessexfox]

Also failing in this league once doesn't mean you can never have success in it, ask Alex Ferguson (no I'm not comparing the two in terms of ability and achievement) 

[Hitesh]

I don't think he should go. He has the ability to learn from this (as we did when we missed promotion) and has the ability to get us back in this league. He picked the whole side when we lost against Watford. We're not relegated yet, it's getting tougher but either way he's definitely the one we need to keep. Stability and longevity are the way forward!

[inckley fox]

Not really, if he's not good enough after 38 games he's not good enough at this level, before than it's pure speculation until you've had the opportunity to play every team home and away. And even then, just because he's made certain mistakes this time around doesn't mean he will make them again. You'd have to fancy him to get us straight back up, where as someone else could take us down the path of all the other clubs who sacked their manager between the first and final quarters of a PL season and hired a unsuitable replacement and went on to become Championship also rans as a result.

 

Risk reward isn't great, I don't see a manager capable of coming and getting results out there, not that's it's impossible. Either way I'd much rather Pearson is given the opportunity to pick up some unlikely results against Arsenal Chelsea and City and then replaced so we at least have a reasonable chance of a new manager enjoying a honeymoon period, as it isn't happening against those three.

 

It took him three years to get us up last time, without FFP to contend with at first. A lot of restructuring is necessary in the coming summer whether we stay up or go down.

 

As for not knowing whether he'll make the same mistakes again next time around, of course you can never know. The same obviously applies to a whole host of other managers who may or may not make the mistakes they made last time around. If that's the outlook then why would we be any worse off with Warnock, Holloway, McCarthy, Keane, Davies, Brown or even Adams?

 

If we're fairly sure that Pearson can't form a Premiership-quality outfit in three years with ample funds, and can't make the necessary additions to fix long-standing weaknesses - be they attacking set pieces, defending set pieces, a lack of goals, the lack of a left back and so on - then why would we want to put ourselves through all of that again?

 

The obvious solution, and the one which is more likely to bring you top flight success (working on the principle that very few managers do 'learn from their mistakes' when they get a second bite of the cherry - Curbishley and, very disputably, Bruce and McCarthy could be exceptions), is to bring in a manager who we feel gives us a reasonable chance of taking the club forward. Whether our man will be a known or an unknown quality I don't know, but it looks very unlikely that it will be Pearson.

[inckley fox]

Also failing in this league once doesn't mean you can never have success in it, ask Alex Ferguson (no I'm not comparing the two in terms of ability and achievement) 

 

No, but take a look at the managers who have been relegated from this league over the past ten years.

 

Magath, Solskjaer, Hughton, Martinez, Adkins, Redknapp, Kean, Coyle, Connor, Grant, Holloway, McLeish, Dowie/Brown, Laws, Mowbray, Shearer, Southgate, Robson, Jewell/Davies, Coppell, Warnock, Boothroyd, Pardew/Reed, McCarthy, Worthington.

 

It's hardly inspiring is it? How many of those have gone on to show what good Premier League managers they are? Bruce? Pardew? Martinez? Redknapp? McCarthy? Even those five out of - what, 27 names - have stopped some way short of being roaring successes. In fact, Redknapp went on to suffer a further relegation and McCarthy had a previous to his name. 

 

If history tells us anything, it's that we might be best not to pin our hopes on bouncing straight back under Pearson and him showing himself to be a competent manager.

[Manwell Pablo]

It took him three years to get us up last time, without FFP to contend with at first. A lot of restructuring is necessary in the coming summer whether we stay up or go down.

 

As for not knowing whether he'll make the same mistakes again next time around, of course you can never know. The same obviously applies to a whole host of other managers who may or may not make the mistakes they made last time around. If that's the outlook then why would we be any worse off with Warnock, Holloway, McCarthy, Keane, Davies, Brown or even Adams?

 

If we're fairly sure that Pearson can't form a Premiership-quality outfit in three years with ample funds, and can't make the necessary additions to fix long-standing weaknesses - be they attacking set pieces, defending set pieces, a lack of goals, the lack of a left back and so on - then why would we want to put ourselves through all of that again?

 

The obvious solution, and the one which is more likely to bring you top flight success (working on the principle that very few managers do 'learn from their mistakes' when they get a second bite of the cherry - Curbishley and, very disputably, Bruce and McCarthy could be exceptions), is to bring in a manager who we feel gives us a reasonable chance of taking the club forward. Whether our man will be a known or an unknown quality I don't know, but it looks very unlikely that it will be Pearson.

 

It took him three years to get us promoted last time isn't really an argument.....given we'd just come up from League One that's pretty good going if your counting the first season, if your counting the half season he came back for that's ridiculous. We are coming down now in a good financial position, FFP plays in to our hands if anything, quite why some people are too stupid to realize FFP applies to the other 23 teams in the league and therefore is more a advantage to a relegated side than a hindrance I don't know.

 

You can give the examples of other failed managers I am just of the belief that Pearson will be capable of a quick return, we will be able to buy players and a lot of a Championship winning team will still be here. There are many managers who have been relegated from the top level who have gone on to be very successful, one of them is in charge of Everton.

 

Pearson wasn't trying to build a Prem team in said three years, he was trying to build a team to get promoted, which he managed, the failing occurred in the summer.

 

The problem for me is it is too late to roll the dice, I can't see anything but further problems coming from it, you are perhaps right when you say if he should of gone, it should of been a few months ago.

[Manwell Pablo]

No, but take a look at the managers who have been relegated from this league over the past ten years.

 

Magath, Solskjaer, Hughton, Martinez, Adkins, Redknapp, Kean, Coyle, Connor, Grant, Holloway, McLeish, Dowie/Brown, Laws, Mowbray, Shearer, Southgate, Robson, Jewell/Davies, Coppell, Warnock, Boothroyd, Pardew/Reed, McCarthy, Worthington.

 

It's hardly inspiring is it? How many of those have gone on to show what good Premier League managers they are? Bruce? Pardew? Martinez? Redknapp? McCarthy? Even those five out of - what, 27 names - have stopped some way short of being roaring successes. In fact, Redknapp went on to suffer a further relegation and McCarthy had a previous to his name. 

 

If history tells us anything, it's that we might be best not to pin our hopes on bouncing straight back under Pearson and him showing himself to be a competent manager.

 

 

Is this terrible examples night wherever you are.

 

You cannot count half of those. Half of those took the job up when the game was pretty much up anyway, half of those are exactly the kind of appointment we'd end up if we do get rid of Pearson.

[inckley fox]

It took him three years to get us promoted last time isn't really an argument.....given we'd just come up from League One that's pretty good going if your counting the first season, if your counting the half season he came back for that's ridiculous. We are coming down now in a good financial position, FFP plays in to our hands if anything, quite why some people are too stupid to realize FFP applies to the other 23 teams in the league and therefore is more a advantage to a relegated side than a hindrance I don't know.

 

You can give the examples of other failed managers I am just of the belief that Pearson will be capable of a quick return, we will be able to buy players and a lot of a Championship winning team will still be here. There are many managers who have been relegated from the top level who have gone on to be very successful, one of them is in charge of Everton.

 

Pearson wasn't trying to build a Prem team in said three years, he was trying to build a team to get promoted, which he managed, the failing occurred in the summer.

 

The problem for me is it is too late to roll the dice, I can't see anything but further problems coming from it, you are perhaps right when you say if he should of gone, it should of been a few months ago.

 

Yes, I see your point. But why is it that QPR are facing punishment for failing to meet FFP if it doesn't apply to relegated teams?

[Manwell Pablo]

Yes, I see your point. But why is it that QPR are facing punishment for failing to meet FFP if it doesn't apply to relegated teams?

 

I didn't say it doesn't apply I said it's an advantage.

 

Fighting all my natural instincts to make a sarcastic insulting remark on that. Please take a look at how QPR conducted themselves pre and post relegation in regards to last seasons campaign and compare it to how we conduct ourselves and you will have your answer. 

[inckley fox]

Is this terrible examples night wherever you are.

 

You cannot count half of those. Half of those took the job up when the game was pretty much up anyway, half of those are exactly the kind of appointment we'd end up if we do get rid of Pearson.

 

Okay, so look at those who took their side up beforehand and went down with them: Mowbray, Boothroyd, Coppell,Holloway, Warnock, McLeish, Worthington - none of them are the sorts of managers you'd normally want. Or the other managers who were at their club for a whole season beforehand and went down: Coyle, Hughton, Martinez, Robson, Southgate...

 

Whichever way you look at it, the relegations to bouncing back ratio isn't a good one.

 

But I understand that people may wish to give Pearson a further chance regardless of what history tells us. So long as people don't insist that we stick with him until we're absolutely definitely relegated next time.

[inckley fox]

I didn't say it doesn't apply I said it's an advantage.

 

Fighting all my natural instincts to make a sarcastic insulting remark on that. Please take a look at how QPR conducted themselves pre and post relegation in regards to last seasons campaign and compare it to how we conduct ourselves and you will have your answer. 

 

It was a genuine question! From your wording it looked at first like you were saying FFP didn't apply to relegated teams and, as I'm not too clear on what exactly the guidelines are, I was curious to know more. I wasn't trying to pick fault.

[Manwell Pablo]

Okay, so look at those who took their side up beforehand and went down with them: Mowbray, Boothroyd, Coppell,Holloway, Warnock, McLeish, Worthington - none of them are the sorts of managers you'd normally want. Or the other managers who were at their club for a whole season beforehand and went down: Coyle, Hughton, Martinez, Robson, Southgate...

 

Whichever way you look at it, the relegations to bouncing back ratio isn't a good one.

 

But I understand that people may wish to give Pearson a further chance regardless of what history tells us. So long as people don't insist that we stick with him until we're absolutely definitely relegated next time.

 

It''s a hard league to get out of that's why, although again examples aren't the greatest Mowbray never tried he went to Celtic, there is a time when I'd of been happy with Coppell he did an excellent job at Reading, a much smaller club than ours, Holloway did an outstanding job at Blackpool for a season, and McLeish has certainly had his moments, you are using managers who are washed up now as an example, at the time it's a bit of a different matter. 

 

I do agree though if we go down then he'd need to not lose touch with the top six, has to get promoted and has to not lose sight of safety the following season.

It was a genuine question! From your wording it looked at first like you were saying FFP didn't apply to relegated teams and, as I'm not too clear on what exactly the guidelines are, I was curious to know more. I wasn't trying to pick fault.

 

Well it applies, and they got done because they had a lot of players with hefty transfer fee's on massive wages.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

We need a poll

[Bob Weasel Fox]

I absolutely respect Pearson, what he's achieved here and I don't want him sacked but I cannot agree with this because ultimately he is the manager and it's his responsibility.

Very true