Buzzell Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 As much as I love Pearson as our manager, I just think that maybe he's got as far as he can with us but it is too late to make a change. I hope he proves me wrong and keeps us up.
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 You haven't backed him for the past few months... I certainly have. Don't confuse criticising someone but saying you want them to stay, with saying you want someone to be fired. And, by the way, I still like Pearson, like what he's done for the club, but we've learnt his limitations. And if we want to be a PL club, we can't have someone with those limitations in charge.
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 NAh they can just **** off and support which ever club he takes over when he does get sacked,which surely must be soon,season is over I'm half wishing we lose every game now so he goes quicker and mark w can find a new club That's a bit extreme. I think he should be fired but I want him to win every game between now and the end of the season, obviously, because I'm a Leicester fan.
theessexfox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 With the right leadership, we can still survive. Like who? Who is going to use this same group of players who aren't looking quite good enough at this level and perform what now looks like a miracle?
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Like who? Who is going to use this same group of players who aren't looking quite good enough at this level and perform what now looks like a miracle? Thanks to pure luck and the exceptionally low quality of this league this year, it's a three point miracle. We can't take any credit for that, not with our points total, but that's the reality. Three defeats on the trot, shortly after another appalling run, suggests that Pearson isn't the guy to pull us out of this mess. But of course it's possible for a competent manager to close a three point gap, even if you have been incredibly lucky for it to be only a three point gap.
Steven Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Why is top flight football the be all and end all? And why do people not get that no one else is keeping us up now, and I can't see anyone in a better position to take our now very well run club back up next year and try and learn from our mistakes if we do make the 2016/17 Premier League? Just to point out we are in a League system. That entails promotion and relegation. We are not the Haarlem Globetrotters or in the American senior leagues.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 People want Pearson to stay for the rest of their lives. People don't give a **** if we get relegated. Nice ambition people. 10 years this took us and lot's of people seem remarkably 'glad' to wave goodbye to it and declare they don't give a **** because in Nige we trust. Sad, sad, sad. Very sad. This Pearson obsession is creepy. I don't give a **** whether Pearson stays or goes, I actually give a **** about WiNNING football matches and playing TOP FLIGHT football. Some people have got really weird with this Pearson business. Literally ANY OTHER PERSON with Leicester in this position would have been slated. I reakon ISIS should sign Pearson up. Good God go and have a tug and get over yourself.
johnny the fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 As much as I love Pearson as our manager, I just think that maybe he's got as far as he can with us but it is too late to make a change. I hope he proves me wrong and keeps us up. Being a top manager is made up of various qualities... deep thinking and intelligence ie tactics...etc, are right up there along with leadership and being a great motivator . for me at the top level Nigel has not up to now demonstrated he possesses the intelligence and deep thinking required to keep a club like LCFC in this league.. its not his fault.. I have no doubt he is busting a gut to do it , but results don't lie.
bovril Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I'm not a huge fan of Pearson right now but if you think he's worse than Taylor please never go to watch Leicester again.
MHC Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 The only relevant questions to ask yourselves: Do you think Nigel Pearson will keep us up? Do you want to survive this season by any means necessary? Do you think Nigel Pearson is the only manager capable of getting us promoted next season? If Pearson stayed and got us promoted again, would you have faith in him keeping us up? Pearson will take us down absolutely no question and I want to stay up this season, not in two - ten years. There's no way Pearson is the only manager capable of getting us promoted if we do regrettably get relegated, I'm not buying that, I can only think of one manager from my memory who has taken a team down and got them promoted again the following season, and that's Alan Curbishley at Charlton, I can think of many who have done the opposite and Mickey Adams is one of them. If he did and got us promoted again I wouldn't trust him to make sure we survived, I respect him for what he's done but I've lost confidence in him. Nigel Pearson, simply put, is not a Premier League manager, and he never will be.
MooseBreath Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I'm in favour of giving a manager time but there comes a point when you need to start seeing some progress. I'm not convinced we've improved at all in the last 12 months and may in fact have regressed, despite breaking our transfer record twice and our young players being a year older and hopefully wiser. Pearson's tactical tinkering cost us numerous points earlier in the season, his team selections continue to do so. As soon as he brings on substitutes, it's usually game over. I can't remember more than one or two occasions all season where his substitutions have had anything but a negative impact on the performance. There's no point sacking him now and he has proven his ability to learn and improve in the past. But time has all but ran out this season and next season won't be easy. Last season's squad took a few years and a lot of money for the division to put together. Next year our older players will be on their last legs and all of our better younger players will likely leave. We'll need a whole new squad. It may well take another few years for an on form Pearson to get us back up. The question is, what kind of toll has this season taken on Pearson himself and his faith in his own ability? He may never truly recover from what will be a failed season in the premier league. Many managers before him have suffered steep declines after such a failure. Do we want to risk him taking us along for that kind of ride? I'm not so sure.
Mark_w Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 NAh they can just **** off and support which ever club he takes over when he does get sacked,which surely must be soon,season is over I'm half wishing we lose every game now so he goes quicker and mark w can find a new club Shouldn't you be out kicking people's heads in?
MC Prussian Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 People want Pearson to stay for the rest of their lives. People don't give a **** if we get relegated. Nice ambition people. 10 years this took us and lot's of people seem remarkably 'glad' to wave goodbye to it and declare they don't give a **** because in Nige we trust. Sad, sad, sad. Very sad. This Pearson obsession is creepy. I don't give a **** whether Pearson stays or goes, I actually give a **** about WiNNING football matches and playing TOP FLIGHT football. Some people have got really weird with this Pearson business. Literally ANY OTHER PERSON with Leicester in this position would have been slated. I reakon ISIS should sign Pearson up. The same man who gave us what we were all longing for - and you want him out? Credit where credit is due - and let's judge this manager's Premier League achievements and capability at the end of this season, shall we?
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 I'm not a huge fan of Pearson right now but if you think he's worse than Taylor please never go to watch Leicester again. Who on earth has said he's worse than Taylor? His record at this level, evidently, is a lot worse but Taylor was by far and away the most destructive force in this club's history. The statistics which were used were to show that nobody can seriously argue that Pearson is one of the top 5% of our managers when seven of our managers have kept us up in this league while it looks distinctly like he won't. That doesn't mean to say that all of those managers were better than him but, as I was quite clear, Hodge, Orr, Halliday, Gillies, Bloomfield, Milne and O'Neill certainly were. And when a club has spent nearly half of its history (post-Fosse) in the top tier, it's hard to argue that one of its best ever managers is a guy who got instantly relegated at the highest level. Add to that the fact that Mark suggested Pearson was better than O'Neill, and you have to wonder who's being ridiculous.
Mark_w Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 The only relevant questions to ask yourselves: Do you think Nigel Pearson will keep us up? Do you want to survive this season by any means necessary? Do you think Nigel Pearson is the only manager capable of getting us promoted next season? If Pearson stayed and got us promoted again, would you have faith in him keeping us up? Other relevant questions might include, can anyone keep us up? Who? How do you know that the owners would go for said person (if you think there's someone who could) and not someone entirely incompetent? Plus, do you think the odds of promotion next year are better with Nigel Pearson in charge, or with a different manager appointed by the owners who have so far appointed Sven and Sousa?
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 The same man who gave us what we were all longing for - and you want him out? Credit where credit is due - and let's judge this manager's Premier League achievements and capability at the end of this season, shall we? Or, judge it now and have a decent chance of staying up. I'm in favour of giving a manager time but there comes a point when you need to start seeing some progress. I'm not convinced we've improved at all in the last 12 months and may in fact have regressed, despite breaking our transfer record twice and our young players being a year older and hopefully wiser. Pearson's tactical tinkering cost us numerous points earlier in the season, his team selections continue to do so. As soon as he brings on substitutes, it's usually game over. I can't remember more than one or two occasions all season where his substitutions have had anything but a negative impact on the performance. There's no point sacking him now and he has proven his ability to learn and improve in the past. But time has all but ran out this season and next season won't be easy. Last season's squad took a few years and a lot of money for the division to put together. Next year our older players will be on their last legs and all of our better younger players will likely leave. We'll need a whole new squad. It may well take another few years for an on form Pearson to get us back up. The question is, what kind of toll has this season taken on Pearson himself and his faith in his own ability? He may never truly recover from what will be a failed season in the premier league. Many managers before him have suffered steep declines after such a failure. Do we want to risk him taking us along for that kind of ride? I'm not so sure. Why is there no point in changing now? Just because we've got 9 points from a possible 57 doesn't change the fact that we're only 3 points from safety, thanks to the sheer luck of this league being unusually weak this year, and a manager who knows how to coach set pieces, pick an effective settled side, and motivate his players could well save us. Other relevant questions might include, can anyone keep us up? Who? How do you know that the owners would go for said person (if you think there's someone who could) and not someone entirely incompetent? Plus, do you think the odds of promotion next year are better with Nigel Pearson in charge, or with a different manager appointed by the owners who have so far appointed Sven and Sousa? And when we get there, what then? Do we just keep hanging on in the hope that he one day becomes a quality manager?
MC Prussian Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Thanks to pure luck and the exceptionally low quality of this league this year, it's a three point miracle. We can't take any credit for that, not with our points total, but that's the reality. Three defeats on the trot, shortly after another appalling run, suggests that Pearson isn't the guy to pull us out of this mess. But of course it's possible for a competent manager to close a three point gap, even if you have been incredibly lucky for it to be only a three point gap. You mean such as: Harry Redknapp Sean Dyche Steve Bruce Paul Lambert Tony Pulis Most of them allegedly more established managers at the helm of clubs with either bigger budgets and/or more established Premier League players at their disposal (with the exception of non-market leaders Burnley maybe). Heck, not even Crystal Palace and Pardew or Everton are out of the equation at the moment. Of course, none of those names is sweating at the moment - apart from 'Arry's knee, one could say.
Mark_w Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 And when we get there, what then? Do we just keep hanging on in the hope that he one day becomes a quality manager? Well I certainly think we could give him the rest of his first chance and a second.
Stadt Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Pearson will get to the end of this season, do whatever he does when he's not at the club (walking in Romania or biking in The Peaks) and look back at what has happened this season. And he will learn. Sometimes he takes time to do it but he does it. Be it learning that we just needed a couple of experienced players adding before the promotion season or recognising that players who had previously been good for him (Gallagher and Wellens spring to mind) needed phasing out. If we sack Pearson the next club that employs him will get a very good manager who has learned from the mistakes he made this season (and there's no doubt that there have been a few - some already learnt from I might add). I hope that it's us that get the benefit of that. Agreed, some people let their obvious agenda get in the way of the positives.
EnglishOxide Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Look, I really respect Pearson, I'm grateful for what he's done for us overall. But his time has passed. We're not moving forwards with him in charge and it's time for some fresh ideas. And that's coming from someone who hates DT, seenitall and anyone else who has clearly had an anti-Pearson agenda for years. What do you mean we are not moving forwards? Technically finishing 20th would still be an improvement on last season! Tell me who you want to bring in to save this season. Bear in mind that if he doesn't save us he has to get us promoted next season. Tell me.
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Well I certainly think we could give him the rest of his first chance and a second. Thankfully we didn't apply that logic to all those other managers who were denied their second chance (Hamilton, Taylor, Bassett, Levein, Allen, Megson, Holloway, Sousa and Sven to name but nine).
Mark_w Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 Thankfully we didn't apply that logic to all those other managers who were denied their second chance (Hamilton, Taylor, Bassett, Levein, Allen, Megson, Holloway, Sousa and Sven to name but nine). None of those managers achieved any noteworthy long term success at the club, unlike Nigel Pearson, so it's not a great comparison.
inckley fox Posted 7 February 2015 Posted 7 February 2015 What do you mean we are not moving forwards? Technically finishing 20th would still be an improvement on last season! Tell me who you want to bring in to save this season. Bear in mind that if he doesn't save us he has to get us promoted next season. Tell me. Are you seriously proposing that relegation from the Premier League represents a step forward from getting promoted to the Premier League? And of course the manager doesn't have to get us promoted next season. He could sign a short-term deal, or a rolling contract. There are managers out there who have looked good in the second tier and stand a very decent chance of doing better than Pearson at this level (Howe, Karanka, Lennon, Warburton), managers who are doing well in the Championship and have already done a good job in the Premier League (McClaren), managers who have done well in the Championship, won promotions and had limited success in the top flight (McCarthy), managers with decent Premier League experience and experience of promotion who might be impossible to tempt (O'Neill, Di Matteo), others that you might not want to tempt (Curbishley, Hoddle). Some of those names could do a great job, others I suspect wouldn't, but you never know who is going to be a success at a club. Nobody at West Ham wanted Big Sam, did they? Or Pardew at Newcastle? The truth is that most of our managerial appointments haven't come from that list of top five candidates you draw up when the vacancy emerges. If we'd needed proven pedigree we'd have never got Pearson or Gillies in the first place and if we'd demanded pedigree at our then-level we'd never have got Adams, Little, O'Neill or Wallace. It's impossible to know who will do a job, but to give yourself a chance you have to know when to call time on someone who you're fairly sure isn't going to be able to do the job. That's the situation we appear to be in with Pearson in the Premier League.
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