fleckneymike Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Or maybe he'd learn from the mistakes he made this time? He made plenty of mistakes in 2012/13, learned from them, and we ripped the league apart last year. Who is to say that, assuming we do go down, Pearson can't learn from mistakes he's made this season and do a better job next time. This assumption that messing up once means you're incapable is ridiculous. Brendan Rodgers failed at and got sacked (via mutual consent) by Reading, is he incompetent at Championship level? Should Swansea not have given him his second chance? For all the don't worry we'll return stronger and wiser, the following stats are all taken from a Telegraph article Of the 89 sides relegated from the Premier League only 21 'bounced' back in the first season. Prior to this season 5 of those sides who bounced back went straight back down again If you extend that to a two season period then 30 of 89 sides 'bounced' back. If after two seasons your dont bounce back then statistically you're likely to finish 13th in your third season in the championship. In fact, according to the telegraph, after three seasons 12 relegated sides have won the Championship BUT 11 have also been relegated from the Championship.
Mark_w Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 For all the don't worry we'll return stronger and wiser, the following stats are all taken from a Telegraph article Of the 89 sides relegated from the Premier League only 21 'bounced' back in the first season. Prior to this season 5 of those sides who bounced back went straight back down again If you extend that to a two season period then 30 of 89 sides 'bounced' back. If after two seasons your dont bounce back then statistically you're likely to finish 13th in your third season in the championship. In fact, according to the telegraph, after three seasons 12 relegated sides have won the Championship BUT 11 have also been relegated from the Championship. Yeah I imagine most of those 89 sides didn't go into the first season back with competent Championship managers like Nigel Pearson.
artursteppe Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 This seems to be the mantra of a lot of Leicester fans, ( they must be younger because they have no aspiration ),' let's keep Pearson because he can get us promoted from the Championsip'. What fun to get relegated every other year and promoted every other year!
fleckneymike Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Yeah I imagine most of those 89 sides didn't go into the first season back with competent Championship managers like Nigel Pearson. Or the highly competent Micky Adams...
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 For all the don't worry we'll return stronger and wiser, the following stats are all taken from a Telegraph article Of the 89 sides relegated from the Premier League only 21 'bounced' back in the first season. Prior to this season 5 of those sides who bounced back went straight back down again If you extend that to a two season period then 30 of 89 sides 'bounced' back. If after two seasons your dont bounce back then statistically you're likely to finish 13th in your third season in the championship. In fact, according to the telegraph, after three seasons 12 relegated sides have won the Championship BUT 11 have also been relegated from the Championship. I would like to see some context to those stats, like how many changed manager the previous season etc before you can draw any logical conclusion.
fleckneymike Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I would like to see some context to those stats, like how many changed manager the previous season etc before you can draw any logical conclusion. This thread
Crinklyfox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 For all the don't worry we'll return stronger and wiser, the following stats are all taken from a Telegraph article Of the 89 sides relegated from the Premier League only 21 'bounced' back in the first season. Prior to this season 5 of those sides who bounced back went straight back down again If you extend that to a two season period then 30 of 89 sides 'bounced' back. If after two seasons your dont bounce back then statistically you're likely to finish 13th in your third season in the championship. In fact, according to the telegraph, after three seasons 12 relegated sides have won the Championship BUT 11 have also been relegated from the Championship. Thanks for the post, I didn't know the statistics but am one who doesn't believe that promotion will be as easily gained as some imagine. There is a gap in quality between the Championship and the PL, and were we to keep the current squad, management and owners I believe that we would have a good chance of promotion, however: 1. There is no guarantee that the owners will stick with the club. I hope they do as they have been pivotal to the success achieved. 2. There is no guarantee that NP will stay with the club. The owners may remove him, or he may be poached by another club. This may seem unlikely but I've been a City fan for a long time now and stranger things have happened. 3. Several key squad members are almost certain to leave which will weaken the team. 4. Those that are left will largely not be PL quality and you need that at least some team members who could thrive at a higher level to get out of the Championship. I've been following City's fortunes since the 60s and have seen a number of promotion and relegation seasons, and I'd never take promotion for granted.
MC Prussian Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Thanks for the post, I didn't know the statistics but am one who doesn't believe that promotion will be as easily gained as some imagine. There is a gap in quality between the Championship and the PL, and were we to keep the current squad, management and owners I believe that we would have a good chance of promotion, however: 1. There is no guarantee that the owners will stick with the club. I hope they do as they have been pivotal to the success achieved. 2. There is no guarantee that NP will stay with the club. The owners may remove him, or he may be poached by another club. This may seem unlikely but I've been a City fan for a long time now and stranger things have happened. 3. Several key squad members are almost certain to leave which will weaken the team. 4. Those that are left will largely not be PL quality and you need that at least some team members who could thrive at a higher level to get out of the Championship. I've been following City's fortunes since the 60s and have seen a number of promotion and relegation seasons, and I'd never take promotion for granted. But what about relegations? Same stance? As for your theory about the club's state upon relegation: 1. There is no guarantee the owners are going to leave this club behind. They have stated they're in for the long run, trying to establish the "brand" LCFC in Asia in particular. 2. There is no guarantee Pearson will leave the club. I think he came back a second time because he had some unfinished business to do. And should we be relegated, that could just be another type of "unfinished business". 3. There is no absolute certainty key players are going to part ways with the club upon relegation. If at all, I can see some of the more disappointing individuals (Morgan or Konchesky, for instance) leave. 4. See point 3.
Crinklyfox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 But what about relegations? Same stance? As for your theory about the club's state upon relegation: 1. There is no guarantee the owners are going to leave this club behind. They have stated they're in for the long run, trying to establish the "brand" LCFC in Asia in particular. 2. There is no guarantee Pearson will leave the club. I think he came back a second time because he had some unfinished business to do. And should we be relegated, that could just be another type of "unfinished business". 3. There is no absolute certainty key players are going to part ways with the club upon relegation. If at all, I can see some of the more disappointing individuals (Morgan or Konchesky, for instance) leave. 4. See point 3. My thoughts on relegation are not based on the same stance, the point I was trying to make is that some of the assumptions of stability may not come to pass if we are in the Championship next year. Your comments are well made and I hope that they turn out to be correct.
seenitall Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Hey, and let's look at teams like Stoke, Southampton, West Brom, Swansea and West Ham who have come up and done quite well - all 5 of who are smaller or at best equal in support and funding to Leicester City. It doesn't have to be this way folks.
Suffolk exile Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I honestly can't remember a City manager that so divides our fans so much. In saying that I can remember being frustrated by MON at times...........
Mike Oxlong Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Sorry but the original post sounds like the sort if thing Id expect to hear from a spotty teenage activist at a party political conference. Tubthumping rhetoric without much substance. Might as well have added in that NP is going to save the Eurozone, defeat Isis and provide prosperity and fairness for all.
bovril Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Sorry but the original post sounds like the sort if thing Id expect to hear from a spotty teenage activist at a party political conference. Tubthumping rhetoric without much substance. Might as well have added in that NP is going to save the Eurozone, defeat Isis and provide prosperity and fairness for all. That's a different Nigel.
Bayfox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I'm torn. on one side. np got us here. is probably the best man to bring us back next season, let's be honest we have been so abject this season, bar marhez who is gonna take any of our players of our hands. so we will still have the same squad. he helps run the club the right way. on the other, the strange team selections, strange tactics and subs that make no sense at times and little incidents like yesterday are really starting to make me question if he can learn and change at this level.
Focks Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I'm torn. on one side. np got us here. is probably the best man to bring us back next season, let's be honest we have been so abject this season, bar marhez who is gonna take any of our players of our hands. so we will still have the same squad. he helps run the club the right way. on the other, the strange team selections, strange tactics and subs that make no sense at times and little incidents like yesterday are really starting to make me question if he can learn and change at this level. This is the crux of the matter, I have no doubt that Pearson will get us back up again - along as the majority of players stay - but when we are back in the Prem will he have learnt his lesson over weaknesses in the team, tactics, no plan B etc? I think that the weakness lies in the coaching of the team, the backroom staff we have appear very Championship level, and Pearson should maybe take a leaf out of Hull's book by appointing a real quality assistant like Phelan
Collibosher70 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Issues around the club that affect selection:- Pearson caught Albrighton shagging his Mrs whilst his daughter sat on Albrighton's face. He is Konchesky's lover, big Wes takes his dog for a walk. I dare not tell you what Nugent does for him and Ben Hamer noisily slurped his tea while Pearson was talking. Someone told Pearson that Hammond spat in his coffee just to get picked above him, could have been King, who keeps his head down anyway to get the odd bit of game time. RDL makes bad smells in the gents and Wood, well Pearson just can't get over him. Kramaric simply thinks he is good and Pearson wants to put him in his place because 'he is too big for his boots', even if we are running out of matches to survive. He actually thinks that the best way to do that is to keep his confidence low by giving him limited time against weaker opposition and then making it difficult when he puts Kramaric in against the better sides, on the basis that 'that will show the cocky little willy puller'. This is just not the way he should be deciding who plays in the first choice eleven! Selection should be based on what is the right team to get us the points! Why doesn't Pearson recognise that? love this
MC Prussian Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I honestly can't remember a City manager that so divides our fans so much. In saying that I can remember being frustrated by MON at times........... Well, there was hardly any internet around in those days. And thus less exposure for fans to vent their anger publicly.
Corky Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I honestly can't remember a City manager that so divides our fans so much. In saying that I can remember being frustrated by MON at times........... Not many have done really well then struggled so much in quick succession. Some will point to last season as him being great, others will look at this season to criticise. Most of the others have just been shit, Pearson has shown signs of being competent over his two spells. My view is that he's done an excellent job before this season in turning around a failing club and making it healthier off the pitch as well, but since late September results haven't been good enough. Tactics and selection have been bizarre at times, especially the four CM diamond and playing strikers on the wing, and to go six games or so without scoring is unacceptable. If he was to be sacked then I don't believe he could complain and the owners have been tremendous bosses since he returned having resisted the chance to sack on a couple of occasions. He's done a lot of good for the club but managers do have a shelf life and maybe Pearson is reaching the end of his. We've played some fantastic football, had some great days in his tenures but he's not faultless and it probably is the case he's not up to management at this level. However, there is a chance he could keep us up and I hope he does, then it might be best if he moves on at the end of the season having made significant progress and we can remember a positive reign.
Kitchandro Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 What do you mean we are not moving forwards? Technically finishing 20th would still be an improvement on last season! Tell me who you want to bring in to save this season. Bear in mind that if he doesn't save us he has to get us promoted next season. Tell me. I'm not sure if this is tongue in cheek, I really hope it is! We have regressed because the group of players we have are performing to a lower standard than they were last season. We've also dropped below QPR and Burnley who we were miles ahead of last season. This is quite evidently going backwards, certainly not forwards. It doesn't really matter who we bring in, that's not the point. The point is this manager is clearly not good enough to manage us in the Premiership. Therefore we need a change. It's either that or continue to go backwards, simple as that.
Kitchandro Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 There are some ridiculous examples in there, Allen left after four games, Megson left for a better team after about four games, Paulo Soussa is not missing his days at Leicester City a tell you that for free, arguable sacked too soon given he is now in the knockout stages of the Champions League at Liverpool's exspence, Bassett was a stop gap doomed from the start, Levein had his second chance and then some. I appreciate the argument your trying to put forward and your in a strong enough position to not need to cluth at straws like that. If anything that shows stability is the way forward given the success we've had with one manager and the miserable periods we endured chopping and changing when all of those names were at the helm. lol Fvcking hell. Sousa? For someone who is so supremely arrogant you don't half talk some unbelievable shit. I think if you weren't already a poster who warrants no respect whatsoever you definitely are now. Some of the posts I've read since the match finished yesterday have been embarrassing but suggesting we weren't lucky to get rid of Sousa when we did just tops it off.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Played well up until they scored. Definitely deserved something from the game, as the commentator on MOTD said. Watching the highlights again, they had 1 clear chance which was their goal, whilst we had 7 clear cut chances. We were unlucky today. We weren't unlucky. Having refereeing decisions go against you is rotten luck - not taking chances and switching off defensively are down to poor quality, not the rub of the green.
EnglishOxide Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I'm not sure if this is tongue in cheek, I really hope it is! We have regressed because the group of players we have are performing to a lower standard than they were last season. We've also dropped below QPR and Burnley who we were miles ahead of last season. This is quite evidently going backwards, certainly not forwards. It doesn't really matter who we bring in, that's not the point. The point is this manager is clearly not good enough to manage us in the Premiership. Therefore we need a change. It's either that or continue to go backwards, simple as that. It kind of was tongue in cheek yeah, but my point is that ONE good win could put us 17th. And if we finish there it would be progress. We are not cut adrift. You are the same type of person who would say van Gaal is shitter than Moyes because of a points tally last year. Well hes third where as Moyes was about 8th. I would argue that Burnley are within touching distance. Its not like they have sped off. How have QPR jumped us? Without Austin they would be nowhere. They have lost every single away game. There are 7 teams in a relegation battle here. Performances would suggest we are no worse than any of them. Results would suggest otherwise. But be honest. If Kasper had saved the Burnley equaliser, Liverpool didn't get 2 dubious penalties, Kramaric didn't get wrongly booked for diving and we didn't hit the woodwork 3 times against Spurs at home we wouldn't be having this conversation. The above instances are out of control of any manager.
st albans fox Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Charlie Austin is on crutches we will not have to sell anyone (apart from krama) if we are relegated (unlike most teams that go down) We have the players who are experienced at gaining promotion on long enough contracts to dissuade any hawks. Apart from Simpson, no one signed to play in the PL so have no reason to demand a transfer. EC will leave and anyone else we want to sell will be sold. We will be in a far better financial state than most relegated sides who want to keep their starting eleven. the only problem I can see is Riyad who will not have long enough left on a low salary contract to enable us to keep him if he wants to leave Knocks can take a new contract if he wishes
Stevosevic Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Taking us down in embarrassing fashion while smaller clubs achieve more. Cheers Pearson
Dan Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Can't bring myself to call for him to go. Yesterday was a horrible game though as to me it just looked like he'd learned very little. When I said he should get the season, I wasn't joking. So he stays. He has however disappointed me a lot this year.
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