red5 Posted 17 March 2015 Author Posted 17 March 2015 Lots of people buy One Direction tracks, doesn't make them music... I bet you can listen to the William tell overture without thinking of the lone ranger.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 I suggest that the fans of Villa, Palace and West Brom would argue your contention that 'stability is good'. That's possibly the biggest myth in football, with one or two exceptions. Agreed. There is zero stability when a manger is getting a club relegated. The stability arguamemt only makes sense where there is progression, or matters are 'stable'. Stability cannot or should not mean sticking with a regressive position which is what the club have done, and what many on here have been advocating in the face of overwhelming evidence over months that it will only end one way. Neither is there any stability for this club in Championship, £40m + adrift in revenue from this season's income. Blind loyalty to Pearson, (a guy who though decent in ways, doesn't not give a monkeys toss about the fans opinions) has cost us any chance of getting out of the mire.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 BEWARE the Ides of March! Because Premier League history shows that after that date there is very little point in stabbing your leader in the back. By MATTHEW DUNN PUBLISHED: 00:10, Tue, Mar 17, 2015 Certainly by today’s date, March 17, managers appointed are five times more likely to take their team further down the table than up it. The only new arrival later in the season than this during the 21-year history of the Premier League to have had a positive impact was when Chris Coleman took Fulham all the way from 15th to 14th over the final five games of 2003. Sunderland have already experimented with a managerial change this late in the season when Martin O’Neill left the club on March 30, 2013, to be replaced by Paolo Di Canio a day later. For all the fire the Italian brought to the job, the Black Cats sank from 16th place to 17th, clawing on to survival by just a single point. Trouble is, such Red Adair acts of life-saving heroics are enshrined in the club’s history. With Sunderland floundering in 20th place in the Championship towards the end of the 1994-95 season, Peter Reid was called in to replace Mick Buxton with only seven games to go. He lost just once, and the club were saved. GETTY Paolo Di Canio became Sunderland manager in March 2013 but was sacked six months later But even his credentials were tested when he was brought in to rescue Leeds in the top flight on March 21, 2003. He inherited Terry Venables’ side in 15th position and eight games later the side were a creditable… 15th. Even Reid admits there is no rocket science involved; the new manager at the Stadium of Light will face a race against the clock to make an impact and may have to resort to some fairly left-field tactics if he is to turn around their current run of results. “It is impact management,” Reid said of his fire-fighting exploits recently. “You are always thinking on your feet. You know you have only got so long to do it. “It is not silky football, it is a battle when you get down there and it is about getting the players up for the matches. I remember what I did at Sunderland. I took them out for a meal and got a few drinks down them to relax them. “That seems out of vogue nowadays with all the sports scientists but they are just the off-the-wall things you do now and then. There are things you need to do that might not be anything to do with football. But it is always that bonding that helps.” We can't go any lower so this doesn't apply to us.
red5 Posted 17 March 2015 Author Posted 17 March 2015 Maybe the owners are blessed with patience and see this as a long term project where potentially we might go up and down a couple of times before we establish ourselves in the top flight of English football. Maybe.
MC Prussian Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Yes we all know about Sven, my reply was to, he got us promoted after 10 years, even Sven might have got us promoted given time Of which he has been roughly six to seven years in charge now, with one season in League One to his CV.
sylofox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 They say there is something written in his contract that leicester cannot sack him until they are relegated !!!! Who say's that.
5waller5 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 They say there is something written in his contract that leicester cannot sack him until they are relegated !!!! That's an impossible clause to write into a contract ... what it may be is that if they sack him before relegation is confirmed then he is entitled to an enhanced severance package.
sylofox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 That's an impossible clause to write into a contract ... what it may be is that if they sack him before relegation is confirmed then he is entitled to an enhanced severance package. The point I made on here last week. Seems some think it is fact.
5waller5 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 The point I made on here last week. Seems some think it is fact. It wouldn't surprise me .... If I was negotiating a package I'd include that clause .... and it may even been a clause added when he was "sacked" and was his condition of being re-instated. I have no idea and haven't heard anything .... just my feeling of how a sensible negotiation would go. For NP, his reputation is tarnished with an R or sacked next to his name, so therefore future earning potential damaged ... so he'd want to be able to see out the job and ensure that it if he did fail and get either then as much as possible was within his control.
foxinsocks Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I think the owners are honourable. Yet, I believe they probably unsacked him coz they realised it would be much cheaper once relegated. I hope they are using this interregnum to line up the next manager. They themselves must take on board the lesson that they should have acted back in December... I believe the fans were loyal and patient and hence the lack of disquiet (I think the poll in December showed only 25% waning him gone) - we fans should have pointed to the fact that Pearson never changes and we were in for a repeat of Nov and December right till May... and that's what we got. If we do get out of this mess it will only because others screw up... I expect under NP, lcfc will continue to plod on like groundhog day
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I think the owners are honourable. Yet, I believe they probably unsacked him coz they realised it would be much cheaper once relegated. I hope they are using this interregnum to line up the next manager. They themselves must take on board the lesson that they should have acted back in December... I believe the fans were loyal and patient and hence the lack of disquiet (I think the poll in December showed only 25% waning him gone) - we fans should have pointed to the fact that Pearson never changes and we were in for a repeat of Nov and December right till May... and that's what we got. If we do get out of this mess it will only because others screw up... I expect under NP, lcfc will continue to plod on like groundhog day Agreed
MC Prussian Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I think the owners are honourable. Yet, I believe they probably unsacked him coz they realised it would be much cheaper once relegated. I hope they are using this interregnum to line up the next manager. They themselves must take on board the lesson that they should have acted back in December... I believe the fans were loyal and patient and hence the lack of disquiet (I think the poll in December showed only 25% waning him gone) - we fans should have pointed to the fact that Pearson never changes and we were in for a repeat of Nov and December right till May... and that's what we got. If we do get out of this mess it will only because others screw up... I expect under NP, lcfc will continue to plod on like groundhog day I've never heard of the term "unsacking" before. If you're referring to the rumours that he had been sacked a while ago, then that's it... rumours. They are patient, no doubt. But maybe they do also see the lack of suitable replacements or it's a money-related issue (an expensive buy-out clause) or they simply still have faith in him and don't get carried away by our current position, thinking long-term development instead of short-term survival (as attractive as remaining in The Best League Of The World™ may be). Since when do owners listen to the fans? Name me a couple of recent occasions in English football where a manager was sacked due to fans' discomfort. And again, despite our current failings (which could've been foreseen by many at the start of the season), you willfully ignore that it was Pearson who was partly responsible for getting us to the Premier League in the first place.
cc_star Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I think the owners are honourable. Yet, I believe they probably unsacked him coz they realised it would be much cheaper once relegated. I hope they are using this interregnum to line up the next manager. They themselves must take on board the lesson that they should have acted back in December... I believe the fans were loyal and patient and hence the lack of disquiet (I think the poll in December showed only 25% waning him gone) - we fans should have pointed to the fact that Pearson never changes and we were in for a repeat of Nov and December right till May... and that's what we got. If we do get out of this mess it will only because others screw up... I expect under NP, lcfc will continue to plod on like groundhog day Agreed Would have been even cheaper still to sack him, by trumping up a gross misconduct charge based on the fan/McArthur incidents. So if a sacking while saving money was on the cards, then we could probably consider they're not interested in that. Perhaps it might be a David Moyes situation, eg. when it's mathematically certain, they could get rid, perhaps they have no intention of getting rid even if relegated and they'll take stock in the early part of next season.
wurmer Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I've never heard of the term "unsacking" before. If you're referring to the rumours that he had been sacked a while ago, then that's it... rumours. They are patient, no doubt. But maybe they do also see the lack of suitable replacements or it's a money-related issue (an expensive buy-out clause) or they simply still have faith in him and don't get carried away by our current position, thinking long-term development instead of short-term survival (as attractive as remaining in The Best League Of The World™ may be). Since when do owners listen to the fans? Name me a couple of recent occasions in English football where a manager was sacked due to fans' discomfort. And again, despite our current failings (which could've been foreseen by many at the start of the season), you willfully ignore that it was Pearson who was partly responsible for getting us to the Premier League in the first place. Poyet @ Sunderland? Would they have pulled the trigger now if the fans hadn't reacted so much at the weekend?
stingray Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I've never heard of the term "unsacking" before. If you're referring to the rumours that he had been sacked a while ago, then that's it... rumours. Rumours ?? So the BBC correspondent, Sky TV, Gary Lineker etc etc all just made it up did they?! He was sacked by daddy Thai reinstated by sonny Thai that's the only explanation that remotely explains the whole miserable situation. Unless you have a better one ? Please enlighten us. I just don't get what your angle is on this one. The only possible notion I can think of is that you're trying to defend the Führer, Herr Pearson in the trenches.
stingray Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Since when do owners listen to the fans? Name me a couple of recent occasions in English football where a manager was sacked due to fans' discomfort. er..Lambert at Villa?!
MC Prussian Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Rumours ?? So the BBC correspondent, Sky TV, Gary Lineker etc etc all just made it up did they?! He was sacked by daddy Thai reinstated by sonny Thai that's the only explanation that remotely explains the whole miserable situation. Unless you have a better one ? Please enlighten us. I just don't get what your angle is on this one. The only possible notion I can think of is that you're trying to defend the Führer, Herr Pearson in the trenches. All based on speculation, I might add. Your speculation. There never was a source quoted on those rumours - or can you recall one? All I remember is some individuals spreading the news as if it were gospel, assuming that he had been sacked. And you know just as well as me that the comparisons to a Nazi mass murderer in this discussion are bang out of order.
MC Prussian Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 er..Lambert at Villa?! Sacked due to fans' discomfort? You're having a laugh. Fans have no say in this, the board does.
red5 Posted 18 March 2015 Author Posted 18 March 2015 Sacked due to fans' discomfort? You're having a laugh. Fans have no say in this, the board does. You seriously don't think fans have a say?
Donut Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Sacked due to fans' discomfort? You're having a laugh. Fans have no say in this, the board does. Youd be pretty naive to think that the voice of the fans doesnt have some impact. Look at the way Allardyce was hounded out of Newcastle as an example. Or the way Allardyce probably wont be given a new contract at West Ham. Look at the way Lambert was being hounded out of Villa. It was impossible for him to do his job against their backdrop. It does make an impression. Not the SOLE impression, but a factor.
john ridley Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 If we'd have had a few thrashings at home the crowd would have turned and he'd gone, it's always worked that way .
Donut Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 If we'd have had a few thrashings at home the crowd would have turned and he'd gone, it's always worked that way . Id say, you dont have to be beaten 5-0 to be thrashed.
GingerrrFox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Id say, you dont have to be beaten 5-0 to be thrashed. Well then you are clearly wrong.
teblin Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Well then you are clearly wrong. Well 4-0 and 5-1 are thrashings too?
stingray Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 All based on speculation, I might add. Your speculation. Not my 'speculation', Lineker's declaration
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