foxes_rule1978 Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 It didn't have to be though. That's what bugs me. Countries like Spain, France and Germany would play a game like this and experiment. What do we do? Persist with players who've got nothing to prove to Hodgson for 65 minutes of absolutely lifeless football, experiment with a centre half at right back and bring on a few with about 20 left? Which surprise surprise was our best period of the game. We just aren't a forward thinking side. We're conservative and dull. Being top of a shit qualifying group (credit on the Switzerland result) is the barest minimum. We're in no way convincing in anything we do. Just remember when Steve McClaren was manager we were in a poor group then and still didn't qualify... Young players are coming through that are better than we have had for a long time, seriously I can see this team being as good as the one in the 90's at least... People who expect us to be like Germany or Argentina will be disappointed but I see improvement all around, technically and at youth level too. For the first time I look at a side that know what they are doing
Webbo Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Imo it says quite alot about them It says those players haven't had a game for a fortnight and have probably been on holiday for a week. It's not surprising they weren't sharp. The idea that all these top premier league players are all crap and the manager is clueless on the basis of a meaningless friendly is laughable, imo.
Leicesterpool Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Just remember when Steve McClaren was manager we were in a poor group then and still didn't qualify... Young players are coming through that are better than we have had for a long time, seriously I can see this team being as good as the one in the 90's at least... People who expect us to be like Germany or Argentina will be disappointed but I see improvement all around, technically and at youth level too. For the first time I look at a side that know what they are doing Can agree, though I will say in McClaren's defence it was a tough group as we had Russia and Croatia. However McClaren's problem was he just wasn't a great motivator.
foxfanazer Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 It says those players haven't had a game for a fortnight and have probably been on holiday for a week. It's not surprising they weren't sharp. The idea that all these top premier league players are all crap and the manager is clueless on the basis of a meaningless friendly is laughable, imo.Fair do's. What annoys me about it is the mentality of it. We've learned nothing from this and woll continue to pick tge same players that are quite happy to put on the England shirt and think its acceptable yo just try not to get injured. Maybe that is acceptable now, says a lot about our lowered standard's and expectations
Matt Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Just remember when Steve McClaren was manager we were in a poor group then and still didn't qualify... Young players are coming through that are better than we have had for a long time, seriously I can see this team being as good as the one in the 90's at least... People who expect us to be like Germany or Argentina will be disappointed but I see improvement all around, technically and at youth level too. For the first time I look at a side that know what they are doing Really? You really, honestly believe that? You're welcome to your opinion but I think we're at our lowest in years, probably in my time as a football fan. I can't really think of a worse England team.
Dan Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Just remember when Steve McClaren was manager we were in a poor group then and still didn't qualify... Young players are coming through that are better than we have had for a long time, seriously I can see this team being as good as the one in the 90's at least... People who expect us to be like Germany or Argentina will be disappointed but I see improvement all around, technically and at youth level too. For the first time I look at a side that know what they are doing Oh it's been worse. Don't get me wrong. But that awful display in 2007 should not be used as a barometer. If we had Croatia and Russia in our group now I say with confidence we wouldn't win it. It says those players haven't had a game for a fortnight and have probably been on holiday for a week. It's not surprising they weren't sharp. The idea that all these top premier league players are all crap and the manager is clueless on the basis of a meaningless friendly is laughable, imo. Don't know why you're assuming it's on the basis of one friendly. No-one's saying they're crap either. If it was based on one game we'd say Rooney is terrible when he blatantly isn't. It was an awful, half-hearted performance and a chance to experiment wasted.
foxfanazer Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Just remember when Steve McClaren was manager we were in a poor group then and still didn't qualify... Young players are coming through that are better than we have had for a long time, seriously I can see this team being as good as the one in the 90's at least... People who expect us to be like Germany or Argentina will be disappointed but I see improvement all around, technically and at youth level too. For the first time I look at a side that know what they are doingWow!
foxes_rule1978 Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Really? You really, honestly believe that? You're welcome to your opinion but I think we're at our lowest in years, probably in my time as a football fan. I can't really think of a worse England team. Guess you haven't seen the u17 win the euros for the first time a few years back and bar 2013 when our u21's were limited due to transition period and players stepping up to senior level and not playing we have done brilliantly at that level too
Leicesterpool Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 A great time for England was in between 2000-2006, yep and that was under Sven can you believe. Score a lot of goals under him and played some attractive football aswell and looking back at the squad at the time, we had a decent team. Though there was something missing from that team though?
Dan Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Really? You really, honestly believe that? You're welcome to your opinion but I think we're at our lowest in years, probably in my time as a football fan. I can't really think of a worse England team. I think we've got some good players coming through as well. I don't think we're going to use them right though, so maybe I'll say "good young players" rather than "coming through". Hodgson was the right man for Euro 2012. He did well there. But since then he's barely progressed us in the slightest. We were shit when it mattered most and I've seen nothing to suggest it won't be the same in France.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Oh it's been worse. Don't get me wrong. But that awful display in 2007 should not be used as a barometer. If we had Croatia and Russia in our group now I say with confidence we wouldn't win it. Don't know why you're assuming it's on the basis of one friendly. No-one's saying they're crap either. If it was based on one game we'd say Rooney is terrible when he blatantly isn't. It was an awful, half-hearted performance and a chance to experiment wasted. I would disagree we would beat Russia they aren't much better than the Swiss.. croatia have been solid though.. but even so I would put my money on an England win there
Frank to be Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Imo the month of October should be given up for international games. Just close domestic competitions down for a month and play one or two friendlies and then four of five qualifiers every October. Then there would be no need for pointless friendlies like today and the international months would feel a lot more meaningful.
Dan Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 I would disagree we would beat Russia they aren't much better than the Swiss.. croatia have been solid though.. but even so I would put my money on an England win there Croatia are better than us.
lgfualol Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Wow, I am glad I couldnt watch that. Even with Vardy playing, I feel sorry for him. England are just a shit team and we'll never win anything.
Matt Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Guess you haven't seen the u17 win the euros for the first time a few years back and bar 2013 when our u21's were limited due to transition period and players stepping up to senior level and not playing we have done brilliantly at that level too The U17's success was good, well deserved, take nothing away from them but in general how many of those go on to develop, make the grade, go on to bigger and better things? I'm not sure the percentage rate of that is very high? They are good against other U17's but generally alot of them don't make the step up. We won the U17's Euro's in 2014, ok only 2 years ago this summer, but you'd still expect them to be around the fringes of teams, albeit at their parent club or going out on loan to say a Championship team or something? I would anyway. I've just looked at that team, I don't recognise any names at all. 1 Fred Woodman (Newcastle United) 2 Jonjoe Kenny (Everton) 5 Joe Gomez (Charlton Athletic) 15 Taylor Moore (RC Lens) 3 Tafari Moore (Arsenal) 4 Ryan Ledson (C; Everton) 14 Lewis Cook (Leeds United) 18 Patrick Roberts (Fulham) 8 Joshua Onomah (Tottenham Hotspur) Isaiah Brown (Chelsea) 10 Dominic Solanke (Chelsea). Substitutes: 16 Callum Cooke (Middlesbrough) for Cook (74).. Substitutes not used: 13 Sam Howes (West Ham United), 6 Dael Fry (Middlesbrough), 7 Demetri Mitchell (Manchester United), 9 Adam Armstrong Newcastle United), 12 Mandela Egbo (Crystal Palace), 17 Josh Sims (Southampton) I'd expect to know atleast 1 or 2 from the list and hear about them on the fringe or on loan somewhere. Likewise I don't recognise any of the Dutch players (Who the U17's beat in the final) but i'm not discussing them, besides if any of them are on the fringes of their top teams/on loan at their lower teams in Holland I probably wouldn't know anyway as I don't really follow Dutch football.
Bryn Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 You must have heard of Patrick Roberts (playing every week for Fulham) and Izzy Brown (made his Chelsea debut this season) at least?
Jimothy Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Also Freddie Woodman played a couple of games for Newcastle this season as had Adam Armstrong. Dominic Solanke has made a few appearance for Chelsea too.
Matt Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 You must have heard of Patrick Roberts (playing every week for Fulham) and Izzy Brown (made his Chelsea debut this season) at least? Can't say I have but fair enough my theory has been argued against, still only 2 out of a 18 man squad who I still wouldn't consider have 'made it' barr your first example Patrick Roberts (Who has made 19 appearances, a fair few, but hardly every week) Izzy Brown went on loan to West Brom but only made 1 appearance.
Jimothy Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Can't say I have but fair enough may theory has been argued against, still only 2 out of a 18 man squad who I still wouldn't consider have 'made it' barr your first example Patrick Roberts (Who has made 19 appearances, a fair few, but hardly every week) Izzy Brown went on loan to West Brom but only made 1 appearance. Plus the other 3 I mentioned. And Brown never went on loan to WBA, he made his one appearance for Chelsea.
Matt Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Plus the other 3 I mentioned. And Brown never went on loan to WBA, he made his one appearance for Chelsea. According to Wiki he did . Reliable I know... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Brown My mistake, you're correct he never went on loan to WBA, he was their player, but regardless according to Wiki he made 1 appearance for WBA. Infact he was our player once upon a time apparently, he was a youth player here.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Loftus cheek also... looking like a fantastic player with great vision and ability
Ross-Kemp Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 As Facecloth has pointed out, quite a few on that list have played premier league football within the last 12 months. Not every player will be playing top end premier league football immediately, I'd certainly expect 4/5 on that list (Armstrong, Ledson, Solanke, Brown, Roberts) to play for the senior England team at some point in the future and wouldn't be surprised if another 3/4 do also (Gomez, Sims, Woodman & Moore).
iamafox Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Most of you lot have summed up why I don't support England.
m4DD0gg Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 Same old england, if we play any team that is remotely half decent and does not consist of part time dentists/football players we will get battered. Chuffed for Vardy mind.
Larry_LCFC Posted 7 June 2015 Posted 7 June 2015 The buck lies with Hodgson in my eyes. We have some brilliant individuals in that team, but you put them together and its utterly hopeless. We need a manager that the players actually fear and respect, and one that can play an entire system which works. Hodgson is clueless (and looks like a pigeon). It took him 66 minutes to bring a sub on in a dreadful friendly performance when there were players on the bench desperate to prove their worth. How can anyone respect that?
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