AKCJ Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I said I was purposefully using Hyperbole regarding the general comment about 'piss-heads'. Not that Vardy wanted to kill the fella! I even stated I wasn't being literal, then you take it literally? No worries. . I'm glad a line has been drawn under the whole nonsensical affair to be honest. Now watch him bag a brace at West Ham.. He said it with slight aggression and a slightly raised voice. Get a grip and stop mincing over everything like this.
RonnieTodger Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Jesus, did people actually want him sacked? What he did was retarded, but come on.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 He said it with slight aggression and a slightly raised voice. Get a grip and stop mincing over everything like this. Ah...With that I shall move on. Mincing. .hmmm.
EnglishOxide Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Jesus! What about the Brits killed in Burma by the Japanese or those subject to human experimentation in Harbin, China at the hands of Unit731...... Everyone want to move on but whilst people are posting the 'should I be offended at being called Brit' or 'ooh, I suppose we cant call Inler Swiss in case its racist' we're not gonna. If you cant be bothered to look up why the term 'jap' is offensive and want to continue in the ignorance that its just short for being Japanese then fine. But stop tweeting it and posting it on here so we can close the thread and concentrate on what looks to be a decent season coming up. I wonder whether you will take your faux outrage up with The Sun for repeatedly using the word Jap as a pun in headlines for their stories. If its such an offensive and racist word a national newspaper would not be getting away with using it so freely. Some people need to get a ****in grip.
Frank to be Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Describing someone as black is not offensive Aggressively shouting oi black at a black person is offensive Describing someone as a Jap is not necessarily offensive Aggressively shouting oi Jap at a Japanese person is offensive Hence, whether the word 'Jap' is offensive or not is immaterial, it can be either or depending on the context.
Carl the Llama Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Describing someone as black is not offensive Aggressively shouting oi black at a black person is offensive Describing someone as a Jap is not necessarily offensive Aggressively shouting oi Jap at a Japanese person is offensive Hence, whether the word 'Jap' is offensive or not is immaterial, it can be either or depending on the context. I... agree with this FTB post...
Viva Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Close the thread for **** sake. Nobody will shut up about it until it's closed because some people on here ALWAYS have to have the last word. Mods, what exactly is being achieved here by leaving this thread open? Surely just stop reading it? Simple way to avoid it if that's what you want.
GloverFox Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Totally the correct response from the Club on this matter, education is king and coupled to the immediate recognition of his error and unreserved apology that's the end of the sorry episode. Now move on ... Situation is resolved!
Babylon Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Describing someone as black is not offensive Aggressively shouting oi black at a black person is offensive Describing someone as a Jap is not necessarily offensive Aggressively shouting oi Jap at a Japanese person is offensive Hence, whether the word 'Jap' is offensive or not is immaterial, it can be either or depending on the context. What's black short for? Someone from Blackburn?
Nalis Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Close the thread for **** sake. Nobody will shut up about it until it's closed because some people on here ALWAYS have to have the last word. Mods, what exactly is being achieved here by leaving this thread open? Sadly, this. Basically the same 3/4 points being regurgitated with differing levels of colourful language thrown in the mix.
Frank to be Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 What's black short for? Someone from Blackburn? It's not short for anything
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I think it's quite obvious what has happened here. The very vocal cohort of righteous moralisers were quick to tell everyone how shocked and appalled they were at the 3 lads after Rim-gate, and they felt very comfortable arguing against people who said 'If this was someone important to the team they wouldn't be sacked', never truly expecting that hypothesis to be tested any time soon. Now that it has, the outraged folk are forced to make distinctions between the two situations, some of which are factually true but nonetheless irrelevant (e.g 'someone else filmed Vardy') Now these people have the gall to say that people who recognise this inconsistency are over-reacting by calling for Vardy's head, when in reality the argument is that the response to Rim-gate was an overreaction and could have been dealt with without sacking them. I have truly never known a group of people so intellectually dishonest and willfully ignorant as some of the people that post on here.
Babylon Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I think it's quite obvious what has happened here. The very vocal cohort of righteous moralisers were quick to tell everyone how shocked and appalled they were at the 3 lads after Rim-gate, and they felt very comfortable arguing against people who said 'If this was someone important to the team they wouldn't be sacked', never truly expecting that hypothesis to be tested any time soon. Now that it has, the outraged folk are forced to make distinctions between the two situations, some of which are factually true but nonetheless irrelevant (e.g 'someone else filmed Vardy') Now these people have the gall to say that people who recognise this inconsistency are over-reacting by calling for Vardy's head, when in reality the argument is that the response to Rim-gate was an overreaction and could have been dealt with without sacking them. I have truly never known a group of people so intellectually dishonest and willfully ignorant as some of the people that post on here. There is no inconsistency, the two situations are massively different as has been pointed out to you. I was the first person to say that people wouldn't be so quick to say "sack em" if it was a player of value after the thai incident, and I got a mouthful off people for saying it in return. But it's clear to anyone but the obtuse that this situation is nothing like the other one, for all the reasons stated. Two players were found not guilty of racism and were sacked according to the press. That fact alone tells you that the situations are just not comparable.
Babylon Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 It's not short for anything Oh right... in that case your two examples are poor then.
Carl the Llama Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I think it's quite obvious what has happened here. The very vocal cohort of righteous moralisers were quick to tell everyone how shocked and appalled they were at the 3 lads after Rim-gate, and they felt very comfortable arguing against people who said 'If this was someone important to the team they wouldn't be sacked', never truly expecting that hypothesis to be tested any time soon. Now that it has, the outraged folk are forced to make distinctions between the two situations, some of which are factually true but nonetheless irrelevant (e.g 'someone else filmed Vardy') Now these people have the gall to say that people who recognise this inconsistency are over-reacting by calling for Vardy's head, when in reality the argument is that the response to Rim-gate was an overreaction and could have been dealt with without sacking them. I have truly never known a group of people so intellectually dishonest and willfully ignorant as some of the people that post on here. But it is different isn't it? He behaved aggressively and like a twat - though I'd stop short of a racist one. He was clearly acting out of anger, something had provoked him and his team-mate restrained him from going overboard. Since he was behaving in the heat of the moment and he stopped at calling him a Jap instead of adding any nasty adjectives in there implies to me that he didn't have racist intent. Especially since I've learned that half this board didn't even realise it was a racist term in the first place. An anger and vocabulary issue, definitely; a racist one, not really. They got prostitutes in, filmed it, and one of them gleefully made racist comments as a mark of his dominance while the other two sniggered next to him. They then saw the resulting video and decided it showed off how great they were and sent it to their mates to show off. If you're telling me you honestly see no difference in morality there then I might have to explain that "intellectually dishonest" phrase of yours to you.
lifted*fox Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Sadly, this. Basically the same 3/4 points being regurgitated with differing levels of colourful language thrown in the mix. Exactly. The issue has been dealt with by the club - sorted. All this thread is doing now is giving people an opportunity to argue about what they perceive as being racist - which is ultimately making some people look a bit racist and other people look a bit too sensitive. Either way, it's not a particularly productive conversation.
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I notice quite a few people begging for this thread to be closed. Why? Because some people don't agree with you? If you think it's repetitive or the wrong points are being made, either debate or don't read the thread. Some people obviously still want to talk about it so why shouldn't they?
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 There is no inconsistency, the two situations are massively different as has been pointed out to you. I was the first person to say that people wouldn't be so quick to say "sack em" if it was a player of value after the thai incident, and I got a mouthful off people for saying it in return. But it's clear to anyone but the obtuse that this situation is nothing like the other one, for all the reasons stated. Two players were found not guilty of racism and were sacked according to the press. That fact alone tells you that the situations are just not comparable. This, I too said people wouldn't be on the sack wagon if they were higher profile players and also Jamie Vardy, as a person, strikes me as a complete and utter helmet. But if you can't see the difference between the two situations it's not other people's morals you should be questioning.
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 To the people who see no inconsistencies, what would your honest response be if the 3 lads from Rim-gate had instead been pissed up while gambling in a casino and started repeatedly shouting 'Jap' at a bystander before standing up to threaten the man? Would all of you be appealing for calm and a proportioned response from he owners? You would have thrown all 3 under the bus if they were in Vardy's current situation and you know it. The doublethink on here would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing.
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 To the people who see no inconsistencies, what would your honest response be if the 3 lads from Rim-gate had instead been pissed up while gambling in a casino and started repeatedly shouting 'Jap' at a bystander before standing up to threaten the man? Would all of you be appealing for calm and a proportioned response from he owners? You would have thrown all 3 under the bus if they were in Vardy's current situation and you know it. The doublethink on here would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing. I really wouldn't but nice try. As I say if you think the two situations are remotley similar you need to have a word with yourself.
Babylon Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 To the people who see no inconsistencies, what would your honest response be if the 3 lads from Rim-gate had instead been pissed up while gambling in a casino and started repeatedly shouting 'Jap' at a bystander before standing up to threaten the man? Would all of you be appealing for calm and a proportioned response from he owners? You would have thrown all 3 under the bus if they were in Vardy's current situation and you know it. The doublethink on here would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing. Well thanks for telling everyone what they would have said and done.... I'll spell it out for you one more time. Thai incident: Sex tape Prostitutes (Breaking the law) Unquestionable Racism Misogyny Club trip Owners homeland Owners hotel Vardy Incident: Aggressive behaviour Racism (which many even find questionable)
lifted*fox Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Take away the fact that Jamie Vardy is a first team player and the other 3 lads were youth 'nobodies' and you're still left with a distinct difference in the situations: Club funded > Good will tour to Thailand (owners country and very important to club marketing) > Recording threesome with prostitutes > Using the obvious racist term 'slit-eye' VS. Player on non-work related night out at Casino > Annoyed with by-stander looking over shoulder > (apparently) ignorantly uses the term 'Jap' to get his attention and move him on. If you can't see the glaringly obvious difference in those two scenarios... Well. Trust me, I'm about as anti-racism as you can get, take a huge interest in the Holocaust (visited Auschwitz twice) and won't tolerate actual racist behaviour on any level. HOWEVER, if he used the term in ignorance (which if you're not particularly well educated COULD happen) and apologies have been accepted and punishment handed out then it's probably time to ****ing forget about it and move on. Well thanks for telling everyone what they would have said and done.... I'll spell it out for you one more time. Thai incident: Sex tape Prostitutes (Breaking the law) Unquestionable Racism Misogyny Club trip Owners homeland Owners hotel Vardy Incident: Aggressive behaviour Racism (which many even find questionable) You got there first, but we're on the same page.
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I really wouldn't but nice try. As I say if you think the two situations are remotley similar you need to have a word with yourself. Both scenarios:- Pissed up and out of control - check - Racist slur - check - Professional connection with targeted race of slur - check (apparently everyone thinks it is relevant that the owners are Thai but not that Vardy's new strike partner who has only just arrived at the club is a 'Jap') Vardy was also aggressive and threatening and in a public place. He looked like an absolute thug and had to be held back after threatening a stranger. Rolling back the years to the days of drinking and gambling footballers thinking they own the venues they decide to bless with their presence and instructing people to leave when he has no right. Vardy is also a lot older and should know better. How can anyone deny the similarities between the scenarios? Clearly they are different but you are picking non-defining characteristics to demonstrate how different they are. The core elements of Rim-gate that enraged so many people on here are present in Vardy's outburst too, but now the goalposts have moved and people's memories become a bit selective because they never expected to have their logical and moral consistency tested so soon.
FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 surely a few nights working in yo sushi would suffice as punishment?
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