bovril Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 So you're saying other Asians should be ashamed to be associated with Japs? Racist. Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the forum.....
fuchsntf Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 You're a massive cretin if you think such issues can be swept aside broad brush by claiming he was just 'acting like a knob' Knob thats sexist, I wonder if we should sell it to the tabloids.
dedlock Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 Slightly different situations don't you think.. Very different circumstances, but still the same muck raking,cowardly twaddle that passes for journalism.
Stadt Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 I think if you're going to abuse Japanese people you should look at their history of whaling, completely out of order.
jamfox Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 that is really splitting hairs now. "Jap" has been used as an insult for decades, and he meant it as an insult. He was pissed and shouting "oi, jap!" across the room. Come on that is ridiculous even for the standards of this forum.
foxfanazer Posted 13 August 2015 Author Posted 13 August 2015 How about the fact that the bloke was probably not even from Japan? Just lumping everyone with the term Jap because they are from that part of Asia.The bloke was probably not even from Japan. Based on what?
jamfox Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 No it's not , iv been to japfest ? It's a festival about japanesse cars , you would not have a curry festival called pakifest would you ? Many people are unaware and a bit confused as to if it's used like Brit or a term of abuse . This means the intent is not clear. Spot on response lcfc . Your having an over reaction mate .
3stevo Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 I think if you're going to abuse Japanese people you should look at their history of whaling, completely out of order. Steady on Greenpeace, we've all had a drink
fuchsntf Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 So, just another take on this, from a Japanese source...English.stackexchange.com .My parents are Japanese, I was born in Japan, and I'm a Japanese-English translator living in Canada. Of the people I know, second and third-generation Japanese-Canadians seem to take the most offense. Part of it may be due to the lingering anger of having been cast aside (and in many cases shunned and mistreated) by the rest of Canada during World War II. Meanwhile, even among the well-read, the Japanese living in Japan seem to have no trouble using the word "jap" both in communication amongst themselves and in communication with English-speakers. After all, the Japanese often find it stylish and convenient both to write in English and to abbreviate liberally. If someone in Japan does take offense to it, it's often only because they'd been instructed to. So, to (kind of) answer your question, considering many of us don't care as much anymore, I think the offensive use of the term "jap" is probably on its way out, being replaced by -- or returned to -- its benign use as a natural and linguistically sound abbreviation. Personally, I welcome this, and wish it to happen sooner rather than later. In fact, I use the nickname japinthebox frequently online, and no one seems upset by it -- at least, not enough to say so. "Jap" was probably already in use before the war without any racial overtones. I only find it offensive when it's said to emphasize a remark that already suggests racism, and I argue that people who see nothing wrong with the word nonetheless become upset simply because they recognize that some other people still do. It's a strange self-perpetuating sentiment. "Jap" differs from "nip" in that the latter isn't even English, and so one must have gone out of their way to use it with vile, whereas "Jap" is an abbreviation of "Japanese" with legitimate usage outside of the war and probably even before it. We say "the Afghans" quite casually now, and it's used just as casually in the war in Afghanistan, but just because of the way the war is going there, there may come a time when people insist that we stop using the word "Afghans" and say "Afghanis" instead -- which given our current perspective, we know would be just a little bit absurd.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 Sums it up. I think it does work better than my original comment.
Jordan Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 Come on... It's all fair game Vardy having a word with Okazaki and clearing the air about no offense caused etc, but (as reported) apologising to Shinji and us/media building up Okazaki as a sort of receiver of abuse is pissing me off beyond belief. Vardy doesn't and didn't have to apologise to Shinji, he had to make sure they could carry on working as professionals - if Vardy was to apologise to one person to the face, it's the guy he insulted at the casino. Reminds me of.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN5TEP8FCUI Nobody is making this out to be any more than Okazaki being a Japanese guy that works closely with another man that just got into hot water for using a racist slur against Japanese people.Can you not see why Vardy needed to clear the air? Or why one can think Okazaki's opinion on this matter means a little more than any of Vardy's teammates?
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 I think you have to be incredibly naive to think this was a one off incident for Vardy, he's clearly a nob. Unfortunately it's the reality of supporting a team with players who earn too much money, which is most teams these days. Way it's become, shame.
filbertway Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 Out of interest, has this bloke been indentified? Or had a "my life has been ruined since brutal racist attack by prem ace" in a paper?
Dan Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 They got it spot on for me. Did literally exactly what I said they should.
digitalalba Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 Jamie Vardy has been fined and sent on a diversity awareness course. Weren't they that dance troop off Britain's got talent? Joking aside I think the club have got this spot on. The fine will go to charities For Leicester City's sake, it's great that Leicester City didn't sack him for breaking the law.However, it is double standards, and shockingly, it proves that the current custodians of the club are financially coruptable. One wonders how many strands of hair the chairman of 'kick it out' has lost.
Larry_LCFC Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 For Leicester City's sake, it's great that Leicester City didn't sack him for breaking the law. However, it is double standards, and shockingly, it proves that the current custodians of the club are financially coruptable. One wonders how many strands of hair the chairman of 'kick it out' has lost. Stop talking drivel and crawl back under your bridge.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 Stop talking drivel and crawl back under your bridge. Hear hear. I thought he said "chap" anyway...
Jordan Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 For Leicester City's sake, it's great that Leicester City didn't sack him for breaking the law. However, it is double standards, and shockingly, it proves that the current custodians of the club are financially coruptable. One wonders how many strands of hair the chairman of 'kick it out' has lost. It's so heartening that you're so genuinely concerned about racism and not trolling at all.
BoneDog Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 This was on the BBC site around the time of rim-gate. Still worth a quick read I think. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/33098940
EnglishOxide Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I think you have to be incredibly naive to think this was a one off incident for Vardy, he's clearly a nob. Unfortunately it's the reality of supporting a team with players who earn too much money, which is most teams these days. Way it's become, shame. He may be a nob, but he's our nob. I don't think what he did was that bad at all. We, the English, didn't have much beef with the Japanese during WW2 so using the J word has very little historical or derogatory meaning here. As for the 'he's thick, got too much money, blah blah blah'... He obviously got into some scrapes in his earlier life, but I think that anybody who pulls himself up from a shithole non league career and erratic lifestyle in his mid-20s and makes a success of himself at the top level in world sport deserves more respect and more support from City fans, you can't just go around throwing the troublemaker tag at him when apart from this incident he has kept out of trouble for us.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 He may be a nob, but he's our nob. I don't think what he did was that bad at all. We, the English, didn't have much beef with the Japanese during WW2 so using the J word has very little historical or derogatory meaning here. As for the 'he's thick, got too much money, blah blah blah'... He obviously got into some scrapes in his earlier life, but I think that anybody who pulls himself up from a shithole non league career and erratic lifestyle in his mid-20s and makes a success of himself at the top level in world sport deserves more respect and more support from City fans, you can't just go around throwing the troublemaker tag at him when apart from this incident he has kept out of trouble for us. Couldn't disagree more with this post. Who cares how much fame or fortune he thinks he should have, or has. Where he came from..non-league or wherever. Why does that matter? Watch the video and you tell me if he doesn't come across like an utter tit. Offensive, loud, and belligerent. That's not necessary in any walk of life, however good you are at something or not. It demonstrates a lack of class and self-control. And I'm glad he's been pulled up for it and apologised.
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