Migrants - What's the answer?

[CupidStunt]

I've really have tried to read people's views with an open

I have honestly tried to understand why different people think the way they do.

I have tried to accept that some people will display clearly gross, selfish opinions, then use the 'everyone's entitled to their opinion' mantra to defend their views.

But to be honest, (I hope my critics will at least accept I'm being honest here) I've had enough of this thread.

I really find some of the views abhorrent. The fact that some people can dismiss the need of millions, because let's face it, some people in this country basically don't want their standard of living affected.

They go on about, who will pay for it, they'll nick our jobs, they'll take our housing, they could be hiding terrorists, they won't integrate with our culture (that's a classic one, I'd love to know what some on here class as culture!).

But be honest, you just don't want to help, you don't want your standard of living compromised in any way.

You don't like to admit it because that makes you look a selfish ****.

Well fortunately not all people think that way, fortunately the British Public do have a wide range of opinions and hopefully enough feel

empathetic enough for us as a people to help.

Knock yourselves out on here slagging off my 'Loony Left' views, if that helps you get over yourself fair enough, some of you need all the help you can get in squaring the circle.

How many are you having at your house?

[Danno]

How many are you having at your house?

Probably the stupidest retort in the world.

[CupidStunt]

Probably the stupidest retort in the world.

Please expand

Probably the stupidest retort in the world.

It was tongue and cheek you retard, let me open another bag of popcorn

Can you enlighten me on what a "retort" is?

[bmt]

It was tongue and cheek you retard, let me open another bag of popcorn

 

 

You have to be trolling.

[DEMANN]

I am assuming nothing, you clearly and 'honestly' stated your views.

You often see that don't you, people using the "I'm just being honest" or "everyone's entitled to their opinion", those statements often follow someone putting across a gross stand point.

Why am I 'wet' ? Seriously, I've never understood that insult.

Pathetic? to coin your phrase, "don't assume anything about me"

Bleating? Why? Because I disagree with you and wasn't impressed by your 'honesty'.

Oh, I suppose I better say it as well... Of course it's 'only my opinion'

Bleating, because of all the posts I've read of yours in this thread, not the ones in which you've addressed me...Wet, because you seem a bit soft-boiled...Perhaps it's your age? Pathetic, because I like the word....We should go for a drink, you and me...You'd like me in real life...You could teach me all about politics, and empathy and how you think you've got everything and everyone sussed out...I'd like that.

[Wymsey]

Hate it when strong topic threads get personal.

[CupidStunt]

You have to be trolling.

, just trying to make light of what is turning into a thread of the same old story

Peoples opinions being put under scrutiny

[ozleicester]

I've really have tried to read people's views with an open mind.

I have honestly tried to understand why different people think the way they do.

I have tried to accept that some people will display clearly gross, selfish opinions, then use the 'everyone's entitled to their opinion' mantra to defend their views.

But to be honest, (I hope my critics will at least accept I'm being honest here) I've had enough of this thread.

I really find some of the views abhorrent. The fact that some people can dismiss the need of millions, because let's face it, some people in this country basically don't want their standard of living affected.

They go on about, who will pay for it, they'll nick our jobs, they'll take our housing, they could be hiding terrorists, they won't integrate with our culture (that's a classic one, I'd love to know what some on here class as culture!).

But be honest, you just don't want to help, you don't want your standard of living compromised in any way.

You don't like to admit it because that makes you look a selfish ****.

Well fortunately not all people think that way, fortunately the British Public do have a wide range of opinions and hopefully enough feel

empathetic enough for us as a people to help.

Knock yourselves out on here slagging off my 'Loony Left' views, if that helps you get over yourself fair enough, some of you need all the help you can get in squaring the circle.

 

I wish i understood what it is that makes people so nasty, are they.. afraid?.. hateful?..... greedy?...or just cruel?

 

It shouldnt matter, who the people are, it shouldnt matter what their religious beliefs are, if there are innocent people being driven from their homes by war, bombing and a threat to them and their families safety, why wouldnt you help them?

 

If your neighbour knocks at your door in fear, do you just peep through the curtains and hope they go away?

 

The world has shrunk, everyone is my neighbour and we should help them all. As for the money issue, how is it we can find enough money to fund billionaire lifestyles, how can we print a billion $ a month but we cant print another 100 million to save lives and ease suffering?

 

If you have the capabilities and you arent trying to do something to help those less fortunate, then you are a cvnt*

 

*just my opinion" 

[Frank to be]

I wish i understood what it is that makes people so nasty, are they.. afraid?.. hateful?..... greedy?...or just cruel?

It shouldnt matter, who the people are, it shouldnt matter what their religious beliefs are, if there are innocent people being driven from their homes by war, bombing and a threat to them and their families safety, why wouldnt you help them?

If your neighbour knocks at your door in fear, do you just peep through the curtains and hope they go away?

The world has shrunk, everyone is my neighbour and we should help them all. As for the money issue, how is it we can find enough money to fund billionaire lifestyles, how can we print a billion $ a month but we cant print another 100 million to save lives and ease suffering?

If you have the capabilities and you arent trying to do something to help those less fortunate, then you are a cvnt*

*just my opinion"

What are you doing to help them?

[yorkie1999]

What are you doing to help them?

Talking a good story.

[EastAnglianFox]

I wish i understood what it is that makes people so nasty, are they.. afraid?.. hateful?..... greedy?...or just cruel?

It shouldnt matter, who the people are, it shouldnt matter what their religious beliefs are, if there are innocent people being driven from their homes by war, bombing and a threat to them and their families safety, why wouldnt you help them?

If your neighbour knocks at your door in fear, do you just peep through the curtains and hope they go away?

The world has shrunk, everyone is my neighbour and we should help them all. As for the money issue, how is it we can find enough money to fund billionaire lifestyles, how can we print a billion $ a month but we cant print another 100 million to save lives and ease suffering?

If you have the capabilities and you arent trying to do something to help those less fortunate, then you are a cvnt*

*just my opinion"

So I'm a cvnt for working hard, and making sure me and my family can live as well as we can!?

You take the prize for most ridiculously stupid post on this topic...congratulations.

[ozleicester]

What are you doing to help them?

 

Plenty, but ive no need to explain that.

 

So I'm a cvnt for working hard, and making sure me and my family can live as well as we can!?

You take the prize for most ridiculously stupid post on this topic...congratulations.

no, your a cvnt for not caring about innocents. thanks for the recognition.

[Buce]

So I'm a cvnt for working hard, and making sure me and my family can live as well as we can!?

You take the prize for most ridiculously stupid post on this topic...congratulations.

If you wind your neck in, and read his post again, you will see that he didn't say that. Judging by his posts, I feel confident in saying that Oz would applaud you for working hard to give your family a better life. What's not to like?

He actually said something along the lines of, "..if people are able to help, but refuse to, then they are cvnts..".

You have clearly identifed yourself as one of those people; If the cap fits, wear it.

As for it being the most rificulous post: I don't think I've ever read a thread containing so much tripe.

[Rincewind]

whats your view on child molesting... ha ha 

Wrong thread.

 

To explain and put it in the most simplistic terms  that I can, there are no right or wrong answers as that point has passed. The logical thing  to do would be to tackle the cause not the solution. But logic is often bypassed until the horse has bolted.

[DennisNedry]

It's not selfish to wish to preserve your quality of life, it's just common sense!

 

I mean, everybody could invite the homeless we already have into our houses and feed/shelter/cloth them with money from our own pockets but we don't because we want to keep our /resources for ourselves and our families.

 

Letting thousands of migrants into the country is no different! We'll all be paying through it through taxes, wage suppression, public service stress etc etc.

 

Seeing that drowned child didn't make me any more willing to accept migrants, such like seeing the starving African children on TV doesn't make me any more likely to give to charity. It's not that I don't care or it doesn't bother me seeing people suffering, I just know I need to save every penny if I ever want to have a house/afford to be able to have children one day. If that makes me a selfish cvnt, then I guess I'm a selfish cvnt!

[EastAnglianFox]

If you wind your neck in, and read his post again, you will see that he didn't say that. Judging by his posts, I feel confident in saying that Oz would applaud you for working hard to give your family a better life. What's not to like?

He actually said something along the lines of, "..if people are able to help, but refuse to, then they are cvnts..".

You have clearly identifed yourself as one of those people; If the cap fits, wear it.

As for it being the most rificulous post: I don't think I've ever read a thread containing so much tripe.

Ok Ok I have a few minutes spare to humour you, but just this once.

What would you class as being "in a position to help" Spare money!? Spare room!?

[Buce]

Ok Ok I have a few minutes spare to humour you, but just this once.

What would you class as being "in a position to help" Spare money!? Spare room!?

Well, I'm pleased you have time to humour me, and I hope you don't think I'm being ungrateful, but my time is far too precious to waste humouring you.

But just this once: ask Oz; he made the assertion, it's for him to define its parameters.

[Frank to be]

Plenty, but ive no need to explain that.

OK, I wasn't challenging you, I was just wondering because I'd like to help too, but apart from giving money (not particularly helpful) and verbalise your support (not helpful) there doesn't seem to be a lot I can do, and I'm in Europe. I'm just wondering how someone like yourself who is in Australia and presumably far removed from any of this crisis would go about actively making a real positive contribution to the situation.

[Voll Blau]

Do people seriously think their quality of life is going to get worse if we let a few thousand people into the country?

[Strokes]

Do people seriously think their quality of life is going to get worse if we let a few thousand people into the country?

Not a few thousand no, but their is a threshold somewhere and that's where id like it to stop. Take as many as possible, without affecting the vulnerable here.

[Buce]

Not a few thousand no, but their is a threshold somewhere and that's where id like it to stop. Take as many as possible, without affecting the vulnerable here.

That's the most reasonable post in this entire thread.

What have you done with the real Strokes, you bastard?!

[Strokes]

That's the most reasonable post in this entire thread.

What have you done with the real Strokes, you bastard?!

I put that figure at exactly 2001

[RedSoxUK]

Do people seriously think their quality of life is going to get worse if we let a few thousand people into the country?

 

Whether it's twenty refugees or two million; the initial figure, although makes a difference if it's twenty or two million, the long-term effects are still in place. We'e thinking with our hearts of a 2015, come in and stay - but have we put any thought to what the world will be like in 2100? With the third generation Syrian-Britons. The UK isn't just offering safe haven to refugees, they're offering an untrackable future.

 

I'm not too against letting in a few thousand refugees, those from Lebanon especially. I'm pro-helping them where they are with foreign aid and not welcoming them half way across the world, but a small amount here won't be too noticeable you're right.

 

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To any pro #WelcomeRefugees, I don't think i'll be able to sway your opinion. Perhaps when Germany's ripped apart by 2050, you can understrand why mass immigration devastates the host country while burdening the original-Syria, by denying them a right to be fixed and populated by their people.

[Voll Blau]

Whether it's twenty refugees or two million; the initial figure, although makes a difference if it's twenty or two million, the long-term effects are still in place. We'e thinking with our hearts of a 2015, come in and stay - but have we put any thought to what the world will be like in 2100? With the third generation Syrian-Britons. The UK isn't just offering safe haven to refugees, they're offering an untrackable future.

 

I'm not too against letting in a few thousand refugees, those from Lebanon especially. I'm pro-helping them where they are with foreign aid and not welcoming them half way across the world, but a small amount here won't be too noticeable you're right.

 

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To any pro #WelcomeRefugees, I don't think i'll be able to sway your opinion. Perhaps when Germany's ripped apart by 2050, you can understrand why mass immigration devastates the host country while burdening the original-Syria, by denying them a right to be fixed and populated by their people.

 

I think you're assuming that Syrian refugees are just going to ghettoise themselves once here for generations to come. If integrated properly (which, I know, works both ways etc) there's no reason that should happen. Look at the welcome they're getting in Germany and the pictures of Syrians queueing round the block to learn German as a result, and there's no reason to assume the worst if we were to have a similar approach here. These will be people who want to contribute to the new society they find themselves in.

[The Railway Man]

I think you're assuming that Syrian refugees are just going to ghettoise themselves once here for generations to come. If integrated properly (which, I know, works both ways etc) there's no reason that should happen. Look at the welcome they're getting in Germany and the pictures of Syrians queueing round the block to learn German as a result, and there's no reason to assume the worst if we were to have a similar approach here. These will be people who want to contribute to the new society they find themselves in.

 

But this never does seem to happen when we take in people from this part of the World. It doesn't matter how many times the same mistakes are made some people never seen to learn.

 

The well intentioned #refugesswelcome lot need to realise there is mass difference between "doing good" and "making yourself feel good" - I really hope the pictures of these welcomes etc aren't being flashed back in Syria/Libya/Lebanon etc or we'll see ever increasing numbers falling into the hands of gangmasters, people traffickers and risking their and their families lives to get here.