Guest Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Never seen a policeman with no arms before He'd be harmless.
Langley Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 I see that the terrorists are having their desired effect, judging by this stupid thread Not really. You're saying a coordinated attack across ten premier league games wouldn't send a strong message? If the KP isn't a big enough target as many of you are suggesting why attack the Eagles of Death Metal at a gig in Paris? I'm 99% sure that most of you wouldn't have heard of the band before the attack whereas everyone has heard of the Premier League. I'm not saying that I think that it will happen or that I'm afraid of an attack just that if you're going to do it you might as well do it with a global audience of over one billion live on TV.
purpleronnie Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Time to leave this country if we are going to have soldiers and police with guns on the streets where would you go most police around the world are armed.
MattGamble92 Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Time to leave this country if we are going to have soldiers and police with guns on the streets As if we will ever have enough resources or personel to do that under this government
AyewJoking Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 what would cost the government (tax payer) more, 20 armed police spread out around the stadium or 4/5 snipers concealed from public view?
tom27111 Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 what would cost the government (tax payer) more, 20 armed police spread out around the stadium or 4/5 snipers concealed from public view? I highly doubt it'd come to that, but if it did, I imagine it would be recommended by the Premier League, approved by the police and funded by the clubs.
AyewJoking Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 I highly doubt it'd come to that, but if it did, I imagine it would be recommended by the Premier League, approved by the police and funded by the clubs. ok then but which option would be the more expensive?
David Lowe Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 I see that the terrorists are having their desired effect, judging by this stupid thread I don't think it's a stupid thread at all. Armed police at KP is bit over the top unless there is a definite threat ... but the security certainly needs to be improved. I have not seen any searches for years. This needs to happen at all football matches as it was only this that stopped them getting into the French stadium. As for people saying that the KP will not be a target, how can you possibly say that? An attack is most likely in London or at a more high profile stadium but these attackers aim to surprise. People should not change their lives or worry but security has to be improved.
tom27111 Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 ok then but which option would be the more expensive?I'm only guessing, but 6 armed officers would surely do. They're more likely to act as a deterrent as opposed to snipers. Guns and large crowds aren't a good mix at the best of times, but a sniper shooting in to an unpredictable group of spectators isn't really a viable option. Especially if we're talking about suicide bombers, by which time it'll be too late. As I mentioned earlier, I could possibly see sniffer dogs around the ground to detect something and limit the impact.
EnglishOxide Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 I don't think it's a stupid thread at all. Armed police at KP is bit over the top unless there is a definite threat ... but the security certainly needs to be improved. I have not seen any searches for years. This needs to happen at all football matches as it was only this that stopped them getting into the French stadium. As for people saying that the KP will not be a target, how can you possibly say that? An attack is most likely in London or at a more high profile stadium but these attackers aim to surprise. People should not change their lives or worry but security has to be improved. You are doing exactly as the terrorists want you to do. Be fearful. The chances of any of us being hit by terrorist activity are less than 0.001 percent. Cancelling the Spain/Belgium match feels like we in the 'west' have taken the first steps on a slippery slope. Whatever happened to 'We will go about our daily lives, we will not let terrorism defeat us...'? Instead there are people who are welcoming more security bills aimed at limiting our freedoms and liberties whilst actual terrorist activity continues to rise. And by the way, the reason that terrorist activity continues to rise is that those at the top continue to support Qatar and Saudi Arabia (especially us, the UK). A bit ****ing hypocritical of those at the top then to continue to keep us fearful. Can we have this thread moved though please. There's enough politics and other bollocks in the world to have it infest football as well.
mintyda Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 i did report to the stewards a young muslim man with a backpack on who went and stood near the pitch acting suspiciously during the half time remembrance parade i did feel a bit bad but felt it best to be safe than sorry
fuchsntf Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Really, I feel the opposite, I will add that when I took my 3 y/o to Disneyland Paris, explaining to her why as soon as we step of the eurostar there where armed police was a little difficult, I do feel it is time we had either more armed police or the servicemen that are based back in the uk, visable on the uk's streets, not in high numbers maybe, but would it do any harm to have a few 2 man teams on patrol in most towns and citys, I am sure most people would feel reassured. Although I get that the counter to this, is that paris does have and they seemed very slow to respond. A bit ignorant on your last sentence....The French had Police on the streets immediately, in fact they are there permanently. Their reaction was top.Another ignorant Englishman feeling the need to have a pop, knowing f.all on Policing the streets on mainland Europe... Fact, UK forces have learnt alot from the Belgian, French, German specials.They have been fighting terrorism over nearly 60 yrs on their streets, keeping very low key. We had the IRA, we had to learn the hardway at first.Then our specials grew into and at last reached the high quality anti-terrorist forces, they are now It took our politicians even back then to understand the danger.French and Belgians were already a long time at immediate response levels. Being an Island we were ignorant of the late 50s-70s threats, thank the French/Belgians for keeping Many threats from British shores.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Do we need to talk about it on this forum?. Until today it was the only place I could come without someone talking about it
Bayfox Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 A bit ignorant on your last sentence.... The French had Police on the streets immediately, in fact they are there permanently. Their reaction was top.Another ignorant Englishman feeling the need to have a pop, knowing f.all on Policing the streets on mainland Europe... Fact, UK forces have learnt alot from the Belgian, French, German specials.They have been fighting terrorism over nearly 60 yrs on their streets, keeping very low key. We had the IRA, we had to learn the hardway at first.Then our specials grew into and at last reached the high quality anti-terrorist forces, they are now It took our politicians even back then to understand the danger.French and Belgians were already a long time at immediate response levels. Being an Island we were ignorant of the late 50s-70s threats, thank the French/Belgians for keeping Many threats from British shores. You say the last part is ignorant. Yet I state I am aware that they have armed police on the streets. It's my personal opinion that they were slow to respond. Especially to the incident in the theatre. Maybe you feel different. In any case I certainly wasn't having a pop. If you try reading my other post I have stated I would be for armed police on our streets as both deterrent and for piece of mind. I would certainly be worried how long a response would be in Leicester as an example, knowing how few armed services we have and how budgets have affected our force. I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a policeman walk any of my local streets.
tom27111 Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Do we need to talk about it on this forum?. Until today it was the only place I could come without someone talking about it Here's an idea, a bit drastic, I know, but you could just not click on the thread.
Wymsey Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Anyone could easily get some explosives into the ground (such as through the turnstiles and big areas like the Great Hall). Our security don't seem much bothered about bags.
danny. Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Why? Would rather have precautions than something awful happen. If that means armed police so be it. But no, I don't see Leicester as an ISIS target. There might be a small group of nutters who could try something but not something big scale like that. Because it's a slippery slope taking away people's liberties and freedoms in the name of security. This Tory government are doing their best to accelerate that agenda too, if you are happy to live in a 1984 Orwellian type society then genuinely great for you, it's likely that will happen, I don't want to though. What happens when the powers that be decide they don't like something about you, and you have no rights left or anyone to speak for you, because they have all been taken away in the name of safety and security? Yes, it's absolutely imperative we have police searching thousands of Chinese pensioners for suicide bombs. You would almost think we are dealing with life and death the way some people are going on. I would be very surprised if we were a target though, these things tend to revolve around major cities or venues, if one of these hits you would imagine the target would be Wembley or an Old Trafford. Yes, 'cos that is clearly what I meant. I guess you'd be quite happy for anyone that 'looks Muslim' to be searched though, judging by much of your posting history.
ARTY_FOX Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 I doubt the army will be there and if they are they won't be armed. Anyway the only way the kp would be targeted would be if there were plans to do it at all grounds - or while live on sky for instance
David Lowe Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 You are doing exactly as the terrorists want you to do. Be fearful. The chances of any of us being hit by terrorist activity are less than 0.001 percent. Cancelling the Spain/Belgium match feels like we in the 'west' have taken the first steps on a slippery slope. Whatever happened to 'We will go about our daily lives, we will not let terrorism defeat us...'? Instead there are people who are welcoming more security bills aimed at limiting our freedoms and liberties whilst actual terrorist activity continues to rise. And by the way, the reason that terrorist activity continues to rise is that those at the top continue to support Qatar and Saudi Arabia (especially us, the UK). A bit ****ing hypocritical of those at the top then to continue to keep us fearful. Can we have this thread moved though please. There's enough politics and other bollocks in the world to have it infest football as well. I said we should not be fearful or change our lives as I agree this is what the terrorists want. I am just asking for more security such as everybody being searched.
Guest MattP Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Yes, 'cos that is clearly what I meant. I guess you'd be quite happy for anyone that 'looks Muslim' to be searched though, judging by much of your posting history. Well no, I do expect common sense to be used though, I really don't see the point in valuable resources searching people who we know are no threat. Judging by your posting history you are the sort that wants to force the police into thousands of hours worth of completely wasted time yet then moan about "Tory cuts" at the same time.
Carl the Llama Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 I doubt the army will be there and if they are they won't be armed. Anyway the only way the kp would be targeted would be if there were plans to do it at all grounds - or while live on sky for instance The army won't be there but if they were of course they'd be armed, that would be the entire point.
promised land Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Wembley and other major stadia may well be at risk, though. They wouldn't get anywhere near Wembley, I'd imagine tonight they had security checks a long way from the ground, maybe even at Wembley tube station. Years ago they stopped you taking bottled drinks into the ground and searched every bag, patted everyone down, the security there is always at a high level. You can't live in fear, that's what they want.
stillwater Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Not difficult to get into the Kop wait till half time when everyone nips out for a fag and a burger, nobody gets checked on the way back in
Deucalion Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Let's hope they don't search people and ban liquids like they do at airports. Couple in front of me would have far less fun at games !!
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